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24/05/2008, 3:14 PM
blue til i die

players will be leaving in the transfer window, and some players last week took pay cuts, just goes to show there's more to soccer than money!
25/05/2008, 12:05 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by thischarmingman

I'd have UCD in the league over Shels any day of the week.

You would...?!?! :confused:

Crazy talk. I've never seen a UCD fixture cause the 'full-house' signs to go up at the Brandywell. Or do much for the League's UEFA co-efficient....
25/05/2008, 12:15 AM
Buile Shuibhne

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Originally Posted by blue til i die

players will be leaving in the transfer window, and some players last week took pay cuts, just goes to show there's more to soccer than money!

So will that have an impact on Waterford's perfomances and chance's of promotion?
25/05/2008, 1:14 AM
stann

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Originally Posted by blue til i die

players will be leaving in the transfer window...

That's not been confirmed yet, though it may well happen. It's also probable, in at least one case, that it was going to happen anyway.

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Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy

So will that have an impact on Waterford's ... chance's of promotion?

Probably not as much of an impact as Anto Flood! :D
25/05/2008, 8:49 AM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

You would...?!?! :confused:

Crazy talk. I've never seen a UCD fixture cause the 'full-house' signs to go up at the Brandywell. Or do much for the League's UEFA co-efficient....

Yep, let's have a team who are continuing to overspend from the sale of their ground (and who would have to spend even more if they go up) and who are still a disaster in the making two years after they should have learnt; that'll do good.

We've only lost one in four in Europe; if every had as good a record as us, the coefficient would be better.
25/05/2008, 9:35 AM
Buile Shuibhne

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Yep, let's have a team who are continuing to overspend from the sale of their ground (and who would have to spend even more if they go up) and who are still a disaster in the making two years after they should have learnt; that'll do good.

We've only lost one in four in Europe; if every had as good a record as us, the coefficient would be better.

Shels are not drawing down any money this year from the sale of Tolka Park.

Costs are being entirely funded from gate receipts, fundraising and sponsorship.

On what basis and knowledge of how Shels are now doing their business, can you say we are 'still a disaster in the making'?
25/05/2008, 9:48 AM
thischarmingman

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

You would...?!?! :confused:

Crazy talk. I've never seen a UCD fixture cause the 'full-house' signs to go up at the Brandywell. Or do much for the League's UEFA co-efficient....

Just because we'd sell an extra few tickets one or two weekends is no reason to have them back. We survived last season without them and it looks like we might just manage it again this season. Shelbourne effectively cheated us out of a treble a couple of years ago. There's rivalries and then there's just breaking the rules. If I want rivalries I'll look to St. Pats, Bohemians (the Oman/Brennan/Fenlon/top 3 battle is more than enough to give that one spice), even Finn Harps, but not Shelbourne.

Tough luck, they deserve to be where they are at the minute. Give me UCD, a well run, decent footballing side with a talent for unearthing talented youngsters and sound financial sense over the club prepared to risk all on one mad throw of the dice. As for Europe, I'd rather our teams got gradually better over time, even if it is two steps forward and one back at the moment, than one mad dash that inevitably ends in tears. Surely you would prefer if our European advances were built on solid, sustainable foundations rather than a one-off match against Deportivo?
25/05/2008, 9:53 AM
pineapple stu

Madness, TCM.

Throw me an Alan Moore for this headache I have trying to disagree with your post.
26/05/2008, 5:37 PM
higgins

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Yep, let's have a team who are continuing to overspend from the sale of their ground (and who would have to spend even more if they go up) and who are still a disaster in the making two years after they should have learnt; that'll do good.

Do you get off on this telling lies about Shelbourne ?
Did you have the box of hankies beside you as you typed that ???

'continue to overspend from the sale of the ground' :confused:

We sold the ground (very stupid idea), we spent most of the money we are likely to receive from that deal (very stupid idea), BUT we're not spending any more of that money!
In fact on top of this years running costs at the club which will be funded entirely from this seasons income we have also managed to service some of the debts from before the 2007 season. If anything, our overall debt is reducing!!

100% of this years income is not going into running the club, it's a mixture of running the club and servicing old debt.

How can you say that's overspending ?
26/05/2008, 9:16 PM
thischarmingman

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Originally Posted by higgins

How can you say that's overspending ?

Force of habit?
26/05/2008, 9:17 PM
pineapple stu

Right back at ya! :p
26/05/2008, 10:41 PM
Buile Shuibhne

Pineapple Head can't answer the questions and chooses not to respond to the real facts.
26/05/2008, 11:36 PM
higgins

Is that your answer Stu ?
27/05/2008, 12:13 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

We've only lost one in four in Europe; if every had as good a record as us, the coefficient would be better.

LMFAO :o
27/05/2008, 12:21 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

We've only lost one in four in Europe; if every had as good a record as us, the coefficient would be better.

LMFAO :D
27/05/2008, 4:03 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

LMFAO :o

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

LMFAO :D

You on the wacky again?

I didn't say anything about drawing all the other games. Three wins in every four would be good. ;)

Though need I point out how abysmal Derry's record is, one good season apart?
27/05/2008, 4:08 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy

Pineapple Head can't answer the questions and chooses not to respond to the real facts.

Irony defined
27/05/2008, 4:48 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You on the wacky again?

I didn't say anything about drawing all the other games. Three wins in every four would be good. ;)

Though need I point out how abysmal Derry's record is, one good season apart?

UCD - Ireland's rock in the stormy seas of European football.

Please keep goin' Stu - there's nothing on TV to entertain me tonight after the Pats game....... :D
27/05/2008, 7:09 PM
higgins

Can't be long to go now before Stu comes along with the answer to the above question.

That's post number 130 Stu if you need reminding.
You miss to have missed it along with another couple I see!
27/05/2008, 10:10 PM
garyderry

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Originally Posted by higgins

We sold the ground (very stupid idea)

as a matter of interest, what is the long term plan for a ground to play in if the ground is sold?

its a real pity what once was the best ground in the league, is going to be lost to the league.
10/06/2008, 1:38 PM
higgins

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Yep, let's have a team who are continuing to overspend from the sale of their ground (and who would have to spend even more if they go up) and who are still a disaster in the making two years after they should have learnt; that'll do good.

Well Stu
Any response ?

Still waiting to be filled in on the above facts...

Could you have possibly came on here and posted something without knowing the full facts ? A similiar situation maybe to most of the other nonsense you have come out with about Shelbourne.

I'm still interested in hearing how you came to the over spending conclusion
10/06/2008, 2:20 PM
superfrank

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Originally Posted by garyderry

as a matter of interest, what is the long term plan for a ground to play in if the ground is sold?

its a real pity what once was the best ground in the league, is going to be lost to the league.

Who was it sold to?

If developers then it'll probably be another row of houses. Maybe it'll be called Tolka Row?
10/06/2008, 3:42 PM
higgins

There already is a Tolka Row!

and of course it was to developers
10/06/2008, 6:00 PM
GavinZac

An Ollie Byrne Memorial Estate would be fitting.
18/06/2008, 11:02 AM
higgins

Right Stu,,,
copy and paste of my post in the Drogheda thread as they thought it was being hijacked!!

any answers ??

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What way would you like me to prove you lied ?
I know what's going on at Shelbourne this year and can tell you there's no overspending. You stated it as if it were a fact. A fact I know not to be true.

You have a twisted way of looking at things.
It's ok for you to state that Shelbourne are continuing overspending on the 25th May 2008. Yet I've to just come on here and prove they are not ???

If I said someone on here had 5 nipples, would he/she have to come on and prove that they don't ? Your logic is crazy!

Please back up your statement with regards to Shelbourne.
I know you told a lie so can confidently post here and call you a liar.
18/06/2008, 11:55 AM
Higgo

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

An Ollie Byrne Memorial Estate would be fitting.

I find this comment extremely inappropriate, bordering on offensive in fact...a totally pointless 'contribution' to the debate/argument.
06/11/2009, 5:27 PM
gotaroundbetter

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Originally Posted by higgins

The more I hear about this so called 'crisis' the more annoyed I get. Waterford seem to be crying wolf in the hope that someone puts their hand into their pocket and pays for their �7,000 a week team!

It makes the league sound like a joke when you read yet again that a club could go out of business!! There's no need for Waterford to come out with this nonsense. All clubs struggle to meet the weekly costs of running a club. When the money goes the costs are slashed and you get on with running the club. You don't come out with bad news stories that make the league look like a joke.

The facts here seem to be that Waterfords running costs are 10k a week with wages making up about 7k of this, is that correct ?
They don't have any existing debt.
Transfer window is only a month or two away.

Why the song and dance ?

Worst case would be you run up debts of 30 or 40k before you cut most of that 7k wage bill. With home gates and assuming you have some cash there already it may not be that much of a debt.

Surely a case of Always the same sometimes..... still at least were not the only ones making the league look a joke ( apologies in advance to the genuine supporters of the respective clubs in trouble).
06/11/2009, 6:16 PM
Celdrog

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Originally Posted by gotaroundbetter

Worst case would be you run up debts of 30 or 40k before you cut most of that 7k wage bill. With home gates and assuming you have some cash there already it may not be that much of a debt.Surely a case of Always the same sometimes..... still at least were not the only ones making the league look a joke ( apologies in advance to the genuine supporters of the respective clubs in trouble).

I think I see why you have so few posts - your point is a bit lost, 15 months after the original thread.:D

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