we asked them for their opinion and they gave it , all completely relevant to lawrie sanchezQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
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we asked them for their opinion and they gave it , all completely relevant to lawrie sanchezQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
So EG, you are allowed to rubbish another OWCerīs opinion on a "foreign" board when discussing some matter related to NI.
I hadnīt seen that before.
The tabernacle discipline isnīt what it use to be.
Not Brazil and I agree on a number of matters and disagree on others, on this forum and elsewhere. Surprise, surprise, it's neither "allowed" or "disallowed", rather it's just what football fans tend to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
As for your reference to "tabernacle discipline", I've never been in a tabernacle [sic] in my entire life. In fact, other than the occasional baptism/marriage/funeral, I haven't been in any* place of worship, of any sect or creed, since I was sixteen, so would you like to be a bit more specific as to what exactly you meant by your reference? :confused:
* - I tell a lie; when I am on holiday, I occasionally visit cathedrals, mosques, synagogues etc, often disused or converted to museums, but never to partake in a service. Surprise, surprise, it's what tourists tend to do.
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Originally Posted by geysir
Give it a rest for ****s sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
This is relevant to the national side, as Sanchez is apparently being interviewed for the job, and 2 posters who have first-hand knowledge of one of his spells of management are providing some information.
Yeah I'll throw my support behind the NI lads here, cheers for the information both positive and negative on Sanchez.
He wouldn't be my first choice, but I wouldn't be unhappy with his appointment either.
You donīt do irony very well Osarusan, the athmosphere of OWC concurrance on the Ireland forum being shattered by the outbreak of rubbishing of each others posts.
I'd be underwhelmed by Sanchez. Sure, he'd be a lot better than Stan but I'm holding out for someone with more experience and failing that someone who actually has an affinity for our team.
don't read too much into it. Two posters disagree on Sanchez's abilities. What they do on OWC, or in the "Eligibility" thread is irrelevant in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
i'll agree with you there Stuttgart but if the alternative is El flippin Tel then i'd take Sanchez in a heart beat. However if the alternative was Deschamps or Houllier then i'd go for either of the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I'd actually take Venables over Sanchez.
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
me too.
Agreed. Don't think Sanchez is anywhere near Venables in terms of coaching ability, experience and knowledge of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I think he did an excellent job for NI but believe that he worked best with under achieving players who wanted to prove a point and did everything he told them. Fortunately, or unforunately depending on how you look at it, the majority of our players have been playing at the top level for the most part and believe themselves to be top players - and therefore i think they'd start questioning his methods from the off whereas they'd have great respect for Venables.
As an aside, last summer i put a bet on Fulham to get relegated cause Sanchez was manager, he was signing NI players and his methods aren't suited to talented players
He's actually got three and a half years highly relevant and recent experience in international football, with no small degree of successQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Stan had total affinity, whereas Big Jack had little or none when he took over. If everything else was OK, I doubt whether the affinity of the appointee should really matter too much. Besides, Sanchez actually started his managerial career with Sligo Rovers, where I believe he did OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I guess what I'm saying is that whilst there are undoubtedly better candidates out there than LS (around whom there remain some questions), the FAI might have difficulty in attracting them, despite the big salary.
Agree, but there is a clear question mark over TV's commitment and motives for wanting the job (and I'm actually a fan of TV, since his Spurs days!)Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
Agree again, but isn't that "self-regard" a huge part of the reason behind ROI's underperformance? No doubt TV would massage the egos of the "Big Time Charlies" whilst he got their measure, whereas LS would be much more blunt* - "my way or the highway"Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
But whether a manager uses carrot or stick with them, if the players can't/won't perform for him, sooner or later they've got to go - regardless of their reputation. Or as Alex Ferguson always says: "What the players must never forget is that I'm not here to please them, they're here to please me!"
* - One of the reasons LS's results were patchy in the beginning was that it took him a few games to find the players to replace those senior players he fell out with early on - McCartney, Lomas, Whitley, Mulryne etc. In the short term it hurt us, but in the long term it was the best thing he could have done. Since ROI have a bigger/better squad, replacing the troublemakers should be an easier/quicker process than with NI.
EG, your response is entirely consistent with the bits you've quoted!.
I'm holding out for someone with more experience: perhaps I should have said more and broader. My preferred candidates to date have been Houllier, Hodgson, Jol and, if it was feasible, Coppell. Hodgson, Houllier & Jol speak for themselves and despite Coppell's lack of international experience, his 20+ years in management speaks for itself. You may have noted that recently I have conceded that I'd prefer Venables over some other candidates.
failing that someone who actually has an affinity for our team: obviously not another total rookie, but if we're to get someone with less than the ideal level of experience I'd prefer it not to be an "outsider". For me Brady would be palatable despite being less than ideal.
For this reason I'm very sceptical about Deschamps for example.
Another reason for not appointing him is this, would Newcaslte appoint Roy Keane, would Sunderland appoint Kevin Keegan, would Liverpool appoint Alex Ferguson and Man Utd appoint Dalglish or Arsenal appoint Glen Hoddle or Spurs appoint George Graham !!!!!! (sic).
Doesn't the same apply to sanchez? If he's not committed to his own country how can he be committed to ours? Motives? A million euros plus bonuses is a nice motive, but what'd happen if another English club job came up?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
That might have some relevance if we actually played against them competitively, but as it stands the soonest we could possibly play them is in the playoffs I believe?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
If the 3 men believe he's the best man for the job then he should be given it based on their assessment of his ability to do the job, not useless sentiment.
To be honest after what happened at Fulham I really doubt he'd leave us mid-campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Not saying it's impossible, but this is a decent paying management job by any standards, and he'd be foolish to travel down that road again.
What his career needs is some stability to build up his reputation again, and I'm sure he knows that.
[QUOTE=galwayhoop;855656]i can only assume that you must be bitter (or at the very least upset) about his departure Not Brazil!
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Not at all.
Just not as in love with Lawrie as some.
I agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
:D
(That's us back on the party line EG ;) )
Yep, that's probably true.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Are the Fai offering a fixed salary or a scaled type salary according to quality/experience?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
If Houllier was worth a 1.1m p/a then imo Sanchez would be worth about 300,000.
Lord knows.
(There's one bit in the following article which made me burst out laughing - you can probably tell which one ;))
John Laverty's take in the Belfast Telegraph ....
Our Lawrie can pull off yet another big surprise
Friday, January 18, 2008
It could never happen... could it? Well, in football they say anything can happen - and 'they' would normally be right.
Let me take you back to 19 years ago for instance, to July 10, 1989.
I remember the date vividly because it was the day I wrote the biggest 'scoop' of my journalistic career.
A friend, who had an uncle who was best friends with a director of Rangers - yes, it was that vague - told me that, later in the day, the Ibrox club would announce that they had signed striker Mo Johnston.
That the Scottish international player was a Catholic was sensational enough; that he was a former Huns-hating Celtic player... well, I suppose if you're going to shatter a tradition, do it in style.
The Belfast Telegraph put the story on its back page: 'Johnston to sign for Rangers.'
We knew it would get people talking.
What we didn't know was that the phones would virtually ring of the hook all afternoon, with furious Teddy Bears fans berating us for "making up lies " and equally furious Orangemen castigating us for "trying to ruin the Twelfth."
But the story was in fact 100 per cent true.
Early in the afternoon Rangers confirmed it, the headlines moved from our back page to our front page and so was another example of the maxim that, in football, anything can happen.
So don't for one second rule out the possibility that Lawrie Sanchez, once the darling of Windsor Park's Spion Kop, could in a couple of weeks' time be paraded as the new Republic of Ireland manager.
I know Lawrie pretty well. He's confident, assured - even arrogant.
That may have taken a bit of a knock when Premiership club Fulham - whom he upped sticks and left Northern Ireland for last year - sacked him a few weeks ago. But few people in the game are as good at selling themselves as Lawrie is.
And he's good at putting his money where his mouth is, too.
Anyone who read his recent book The Northern Ireland Years will know that he badgered the Irish FA into giving him an interview for the vacant international manager's job.
Like the Republic of Ireland media are doing now, the Ulster scribblers didn't give the man a hope of landing the role.
Remember, Lawrie was courting the IFA, not the other way round.
But it was a different story when the 48-year-old plumped himself down in front of the interview panel.
He told them he could organise a team, motivate them, get them playing the sort of football that gave them a chance of achieving some success.
Moreover, he reminded his inquisitors that he had a penchant for producing the sensational and the unexpected which was exemplified by his winning goal for Wimbledon against red-hot favourites Liverpool in the 1988 FA Cup final, and his managerial magic in steering no-hopers Wycombe to an FA Cup semi- final.
The rest, as they say, is history; Lawrie got the job - and Northern Ireland fans eventually got a team capable of beating England, Spain and Sweden in three never-to-be-forgotten nights at Windsor Park.
Believe me, those games will be mentioned when Sanchez is interviewed for the Republic job; the irony for Northern Ireland fans there for all to see.
If he gets it, he won't have left 'us' for 'them' and so quite a few members of the Green and White Army will wish him all the best.
But if 'they' are going well and 'we' - the team he left for the Fulham money when they were still in with a brilliant chance of qualifying for Euro 2008 - aren't, that's when the latent bitterness, the wringing of hands and the stories about what might have been will kick in.
Lawrie's catchphrase is: " Don't be surprised if there's a surprise" and another seismic event in the world of football this week would have added credence to that.
Admit it, football fans... if someone had told you a couple of weeks ago that Kevin Keegan - who has spent most of the last three years playing golf - would be named this week as the new manager of Premiership sleeping giants Newcastle United, you'd have laughed in their face.
But there he is, the Geordie messiah returning some 12 years after he left, citing that he had taken the club as far as he could.
It was only a couple of days ago that the Magpies chairman insisted, after the abrupt sacking of previous manager Sam Allardyce, that Newcastle were "looking to the future" in their pursuit of a new boss.
Instead, they looked firmly into the dim and distant past.
Like I said, in football anything is possible.
I agree. Stranger things have happened.
For those on the FAI Board looking for the cheap option as opposed to the 7 figure sums mentioned for most of the other managers, "our Lawrie can pull off yet another big surprise" and get some support on the Board.
Just as I wasn't shocked at the Charlton appointment, I wouldn't be shocked by this one either.
Please no.
why not give Coleman an interview? As much as I respect Sanchez's achievements at Norn Iron I do not want him as manager. I'd rather have El Tel and it hurts to write that but I would.
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I totally agree. Sanchez did a terrific job with NI but he has only 1 system of play - long ball + a big target man. When that doesn't work, he gets found out as happened at Fulham.
With all due respect to NI, we have more skillful players. I see absolutely no evidence of Sanchez having the coaching ability to get the best out of very skillful players or improve the younger ones.
For all his faults, TV is a widely respected coach and tactician who is spoken of very highly by pretty much every quality player he has coached.
My concern about TV from day 1 has been his commitment to the job not his ability to do it. His recent track record makes me fear that he will be half hearted and, if it goes wrong, he'll gladly walk away with a big payout.
I firmly believe that, if Venables really wants to show that he's still got it and is willing to put the effort, he could get the best out of our players and make us a decent team. We don't need to be a long ball team and I doubt TV would go that way. I have no doubt that Sanchez would and thereby waste the talents of McGeady, Ireland, Reid(s), Duff etc.
Frankly, I wanted Houllier or Coppell or Jol because I am wary of TV. However, if it isn't going to be any of them, I'd much rather have TV (or Hoddle) than Sanchez.
I am confident that TV has the ability to do it, it depends on his commitment.
I'm afraid that Sanchez will have to rebuild his post Fulham reputation somewhere else before I'd consider him for our team.
At the end of the day, if it is TV, then we should get together and give him a chance. It will be clear soon enough if he really cares - if not, then we can have a fair go at him.
However, I think giving him a hard time before he's had a chance would be both unfair and unhelpful to the team.
There is a big difference between being #1 and being #2. I don't think the #2 position suited him with England, he undermined McClaren to a certain extent. He is a good coach with a good record, he will be able to deal with our media quite easily and he'll be able to deal with the FAI. I think the Ireland job is perfect for his ego, he is a pefect match in many ways, baggage notwithstanding.
Think this is the wrong thread for talk about TV but have you actually looked at his results with his last 4 management jobs (not to mention his spell on the board at Portsmouth)? People don't generally give a toss about his bagage, they don't want him because he's been a rubbish manager for the last decade plus....Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
Looks like Sanchez has interviewed very well - trading at 7/2 third favourite for the job tonight.:eek::eek::eek:
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Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Sanchez - no!
He may interview very well but he's a long ball merchant who won't utilise our skilfull players and will take us backwards.
I think Sanchez would be a disaster.
If it's not Houllier, I'm rooting for Venables or Hoddle, Allardyce or even Brady or Dalglish! Any of them would be preferable to Sanchez.
Probably EG gambling his retirement fund.
Who would have believed it, the Bookies must have had a convention last night, after exhausting the list of candidates over the past weeks it was decided that nobody would fall for another Giles is gonna do it rumour or Bradys got it in the bag, so they thought - how about Lawrie - there must be some people (besides Lawrie) who thinks he has a chance.