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There is only a very very slim chance that Uefa will demand games behind closed doors. Your opinion does not relate to precedents.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
Most probably just a fine.
If it was the FAI issuing the fine, probably about €50m
But as it's Uefa, somewhere between €50,000 - 100,000.
He obviously ran into the crowd where the ad hoardings fell. Those stewards wouldn't have been aware of what he had done.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveyCakes
Not such a big deal IMO
Could the stewards from the area where he ran on not have made others aware of the situation?
The others were busy making sure people weren't crushed, and 100s didn't get on the pitchQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveyCakes
Latest picture of Dida just in:
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/pix...04/Mummy-m.jpg
Is that a lollypop in his hand?
apparently yes he got back into the stand without anyone catching himQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveyCakes
afaik he went up to parkhead on Thur morn and admitted responsibility and the club brought him straight to the coppers!!
not a season ticket holder but will get life time ban and all the rest...
My God. So much typed in the preceding pages . . . . . where can I start?
I was at the game and sit right above where the team were celebrating Mcdonalds winner. I was going hog-wild like all those around me and never even saw the fan coming on the pitch. On seeing it later on TV it seemed clear to me he just lost it and ran out on to the pitch celebrating a 90th min winner against current Euro champs. I wouldn't even go so far as to call him a 'thug' 'scumbag' 'savage' etc like other posters are. Idiot, moron for sure, but I didnt think running out on to the pitch made you a scumbag. It certainly makes you stupid though.
I think it would be completely unfair if Celtic had to play games behind closed doors as a punishment. The clubs support has a massively positive reputation around Europe and its not as if its another case in a long line of negative incidents regarding Celtic fans (or 'savages' or 'scumbags' if you like). They will be fined, but would be disgusted with UEFA if it was anything more.
He went out there (like a fool) to celebrate another magical European goal at Parkhead and touched Dida on the way. Nothing more. He was rightly banned. Its not as if Dida had just saved a penelty and he then ran out to 'assault' him. That would be a different story. People need to put things in perspective.
He was a brave boy at the doctor's, I would imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
No chance of that on foot.ie whenever Celtic is the topic, I'm afraid - there are always those (I'm looking at you H4E) who love to denigrate Celtic whatever the occasion. I think it's all based on jealousy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
:ball: PP
Celtic should be punished in accordance with the regulations, whatever they are. I don't think the supporters reputations is relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
Does anybody know what the punishment is for allowing a fan onto the pitch, in a position to make physical contact with a player (or official)? (or whatever the charge/wording is). What are the criteria considered?
A fine?
Playing behind closed doors?
Points deduction?
Of course their previous behaviour should come into it. In most areas of the law someones previous behaviour can stand to them. Why should this be any different.
I'll ask again -
What are the various charges Celtic could face?
What criteria will be taken into account when the decision is made?
What are the possible punishments for the charges?
I presume the main charge in this case would fall into the category of failing to control their supporters given that a fan got onto their pitch and "struck" a player.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Fans behaviour at home will probably be taken into account but with UEFA anything is possible and they might go to town.
- Max punishment is expulsion from the competition (which is not going to happen). Feynoord got expelled from the UEFA cup last year but that was after serious violience at a few home games.
- The 2nd option is begin forced to play their games behind closed doors.
- The third option is a hefty fine.
A few seasons ago in the PL, Everton were playing down in Highbury and lets just say the blues were not playing hoofball to their usual standard. A disgruntled middle-aged bitter wobbled onto the pitch and proceeded to offer an Everton player his t-shirt for the players Everton shirt. The fan in question was removed and banned and Everton got a fine.
Similar incident but in Celtic's case the fan did make physical contact with Dida.
Good job all Celtic fans are level headed and rational then PP, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
According to SSN
That could open a huge can of worms if accurate. The fact he is a laughing stock is punishment enough.
Fine Celtic for the poor stewarding and move on. That would be too simple it seems.
if he was attempting to get the game abandoned, which is my opinion, then it is a can of worms which should be opened.Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
there is precedent already for this, although not from UEFA but by FIFA and CAF.
BBC
Roberto Rojas
...when Chilean goalkeeper Roberto Rojas faked injury during a World Cup qualifier in 1989, Fifa banned him for life and Chile were suspended from taking part in the qualifiers for the 1994 World Cup.
Incident
Chokri El Ouaer
...CAF has now banned El Ouaer from playing for Esperance in the Champions League, but he will be allowed to play in domestic club fixtures and for his national team.
I'm not saying for one second that either of the above actions should be applied in the 'Dida Incident' but it does answer what UEFA are hoping to achieve when asking Milan why Dida was substituted.
Bottom line, imo, is he tried to get the game called off, and Dida deserves to be punished (not AC Milan) and Celtic also should, quite rightly, be fined (no more no less) for allowing a spectator onto the pitch.
I don't think Dida should have any action taken against him as no matter what, nobody can prove Dida wasn't hurt by the "fan". We all know he wasn't really but theirs actually no way of proving it and therefore no punishment should be taken against him. Celtic on the other hand should.
I can't agree with you here, video analysis could tell the force and speed of any contact with Dida and any medical 'expert' could deduct from that whether it would be enough to cause any pain to Dida. it happens in courts all the time. also a degree of common sense has to prevail as to whether he was hurt or not!!Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
as a matter of interest what punishment would you feel would be fair?Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
We can't prove he wasn't hurt in the most basic sense of the word but we can basically prove that he was simulating a major inujry because he started running after the fan and then two or three seconds later realised 'oh no I'm 'hurt' I'd better fall down and hold my face'. If he'd actually been seriously hurt he would have just fallen down on the spot without trying to chase after the idiot.
As such I fully support the above charges being brought against him. The man was being a grade A f*ckwit and if UEFA let him off they would be basically saying that simulation is OK.
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Originally Posted by Cymro
Not necessarily.
Most rational explanation I've heard so far anyway.Quote:
Bill: And so began the legend of Pai Mei's five-point-palm-exploding-heart technique.
The Bride: And what, pray tell, is the five-point-palm-exploding-heart technique?
Bill: Quite simply, the deadliest blow in all of martial arts. He hits you with his fingertips at five different pressure points on your body. And then he lets you walk away. But after you've taken five steps, your heart explodes inside your body, and you fall to the floor, dead.
Send Liam Miller back from Sunderland:DQuote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
You don't seriously believe that Dida was inflicted with the 'Death Touch'? Look, if that had been the case, he'd have collapsed immediately. He wouldn't have been running after the fan and apparently in good health one second and then collapsed the next. It was clearly simulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
I assume you're being sarcastic there.
:eek::D:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
No, Jerry's dead serious. Very serious guy. Expert on Chinese death grips too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
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Originally Posted by Cymro
oh dear...........smilie time. (or watch Kill Bill vol. 2)
But I have to disagree with people who say that the fact he wasn't knocked down instantly "proves" he wasn't injured. As an ex-boxer (a pretty bad one) I have had personal experience with delayed impact of a punch, and on rare glorious occasions, I've caused delayed impact knockdowns. It is possible.
Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% certain Dida was not injured, and went down by choice for his own interests, but it cannot be "proven" that he was not injured.Milan could even argue he was temporarily incapacitated by being shocked by what had gone on. (Bullsh!t of course, but difficult to argue against)
It would be wrong, in my opinion, to take action after an incident where physical contact (however minimal) has been made. It should not become an issue of opinion as to whether contact could have caused an injury or not.
Dida is in the Dock.Quote:
but it cannot be "proven" that he was not injured.
At this stage he has to prove that he was injured and had good reason to collapse in a heap and that he needed to be carted off on a stretcher with an ice pack.
His only defence can be that he was following medical advice. If the team doctor gives evidence and is able to hold a straight face, Dida has a chance of clearing the rap.
Dida gets 2 match ban
Celtic fined €35,000 (half of which is suspended)
...just about right I feel.
Celtic can count themselves lucky IMO. Paltry fine as usual from UEFA. Dida deserved his ban although I didn't think it would stick but I thought Celtic would be hit harder in the pocket.
i don't think its true that Celtic are lucky. if you think about it had Dida not over-exageratted the 'injury' then Celtic would only ever have got a fine around that figure for an incident like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
Personally I'm amazed that UEFA have acted this way as it seems a logical and thought out solution to the incident. amazing stuff.
btw - i presume dida will get his ban overturned on appeal but it doesn't matter anyway as he is sh1te!!!!
Yeah wasn't expecting such a rational decision either. Dida will probably not have to serve two games, coming more in line with what i thought the original decison would be, but it's a strong and positive message from UEFA that they can hand down such a sentance to the Euro champs goalie.
The Lithuanian incident against Scotland recently probably went under the radar for alot of people (players too it seems) and it's great UEFA have kept their standards up and are sending out a message crystal clear about the consequences of simulation or whatever its called these days.
Not surprised with the relatively small fine. It's still a bit bigger than other fines recently handed out to other sides for crowd trouble - spain crowd racist monkey noises , rangers rioting at osasuna etc. Don't have the figures stored in me head but think they always hand out pretty tiny fines anyway.
Hope Aberdeen don't get hammered for their flare in the Ukraine. They really can't afford it.
Not arguing it's a very rational decision because it's refreshing as you say. I just think in the context if things the fine was small. Poor security afterall. Not that I'm complaining about it.
Delaney could apply for a job with Uefa and work wonders for their coffers.
The fine is a bit above standard for a lone pitch incursion.
That's all Celtic were charged with.
It's encouraging that Uefa completly rejected the idea beforehand that Dida was in any way harmed.