Sligo-Pats, Shels-Cork, Longford-bohs......Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
"the common denominator in crowd trouble is Shamrock Rovers" :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Sligo-Pats, Shels-Cork, Longford-bohs......Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
"the common denominator in crowd trouble is Shamrock Rovers" :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
It was a Sheriff home game. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
From watching those highlights of the sheriff v shels game I couldnt really see anyone that stood out as someone not giving their all. Maybe the shels keeper and defence were a bit suspect alright
I see that hook, I'm not gonna bite. I'm not...Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
no sure they were all down in the bookies!Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
http://cs12.org/2011Spring/students_...in_ireland.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Too close to Britain tbs tbs.
One bloke kicking a van hardly counts as 'crowd trouble'Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Well, it turned out to be trouble for the p rick kicking the van.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
Soccer steward attacked by own 'fans'
By Mark Hilliard
Monday August 29 2011
UP to 30 soccer hooligans clashed with gardai at an FAI Cup tie over the weekend after Bohemians football club sent stewards to identify its own black-listed fans.
Gardai were forced to use pepper spray in a bid to contain the group of agitators who were said to be intoxicated and intent on violence.
A spokesman for Bohemians said that one of its own stewards was set upon by supporters.
No arrests were made at the Flancare Park ground in Longford on Saturday night although a Garda investigation is ongoing after one person was brought to hospital with minor injuries.
A file will be forwarded to the Director of Public Prosecutions.
"I know it sounds bonkers to say that a Bohemians steward would be attacked by people purporting to be Bohemians fans but that seems to be what happened," said the club spokesman.
Tooth
The steward in question lost a tooth in the incident.
The hooligans behind Saturday's violent outburst belong to a group known as the Bohemians 'Casuals' -- a hardcore base of fans, generally intent on causing trouble.
Before the fixture, the Football Association of Ireland had contacted Bohemians with information that a number of its fans, forbidden from attending club games, were travelling to the fixture.
In response, Bohemians dispatched their own stewards to assist gardai and security.
When a number of fans were prevented from entering the ground, at least a dozen more who were already inside came back out to involve themselves in the brawl.
Gardai were forced to use pepper spray to disperse those involved. The fixture, which Bohemians won 3-1, did not experience any delays as a result.
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...s-2860211.html
That is one of the most disgraceful pieces of journalism I have seen in a long time... and that is really saying something in this country.
looking at the highlights of the Shels match what stood out to me (and maybe only because I was looking for it) was:
Philly Hughes didn't look too disappointed to miss the penalty, and it looks like he gets right underneath it, almost scooping it over the bar.
Delaney was pretty poor for the first and second goals, first one he was way off his line, and maybe it looks like he can't get to ti, but why is he that far out to begin with, and the second one he didn't even move. The third was a peach in fairness
Theres another few times where players just don't seem that bothered about making too much of an effort to track back or get the ball, but that could be tiredness/laziness rather than anything underhanded.
Its hard to say from that clip and I hope that its not true. I really don't want to believe that sort of thing is going on in our league. If it is true though, the players need long term bans and you'd have to look at points deductions, though I don't want City to go up as a result of points deductions.
Still match fixing is about the worst thing you can do in football
It does if he's a Rovers supporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
It still doesn't!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasher
The Bohemians club spokesman believes that a steward was attacked, Town Legend reported the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by topia
The Gardai reactions may have been OTT (which would be the norm in my experiece) but that does not dilute what appears to have been the original problem.
If the steward was attacked and especially if it was a serious assault that dislodged a tooth, I hope the perpetrator(s) get their due from the courts. There is no room for ambivalance just because the the attacker is wearing the colours of the club you support
Reading the text commentary on Friday that seemed to be the conclusion from my POV that they were just being lazy however there were alarm bells set off with the peno which were mentioned at the time. Like you I hope its not true and hope that anyone het whatever is coming them if it is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
We shall see.
On your other point re points deductions, that can hardly be done given that this was a cup match. However I don't know, and clarification wild be appreciated.
The FAI control both competitions so can sanction in either, or both
Anyone who posts about possible sanctions is guessing of course, as it's unprecedented
Personally think that nothing will happen BTW
From that clip it didnt look too much of a fix for me, ok the shels keeper was of his line a long way and in an unusual position and I agree Hughes(was that a beer belly??) peno was awful, but there have been worse.
Towards the end I did noticed the shels left full, number 3 was walking in his own box when Sheriff were attacking. Only other thing was shels could have been 4 or 5 up at HT, but I think I`d put it down to dreadful shels 2nd half and a brilliant response from Sherif.
Maybe the betting patterns will tell more, HT Home/FT Away rarely come off. (i'm saying shels were the 'home' team in this case)
Town legend wasn't there though, neither was the journalist but I actually was. Now, Town legend said it was a female Longford steward attacked. This says it was a Bohs steward attacked. Both the Bohs stewards there were male and I'd know them personally to say hello to. They were attacked - verbally. The Bohs spokesperson would be Denis Maher, hon secretary who is a cancer on the club and routinely lies about fans, and I will go on record right here in saying he is a liar. A filthy liar. He knows who I am too (by username, same as on thebohs.com) so I'm not being a keyboard warrior here). The article never mentions that the person who was taken to hospital with minor injuries is a bohs fan who was INJURED BY THE GARDAÍ!!! The only people hurt were Bohs fans. The only people attacking anyone were the Gards. This story is being spun by the Bohs board because they want to kill the club. This might sound strange but yes, they are trying to kill the club. They are trying to force out members and devalue the club so they can change the rules and end the membership structure. A board member resigned today in protest at what is going on, particularly what happened on Saturday. We are planning a boycott of Friday night's league game and will not stop until that liar parasite Denis Maher is not only off the board but banned from going anywhere near Dalymount Park. He is a cancer on our club. WE ARE BOHS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Maybe all the Bohs fans who decided to run out to the gate to give their mates a helping hand should have concentrated on the match instead? I'm sure it was well meaning but it didn't exactly help the situation by the looks of it.
I am of course just speculating, but a points deduction would seem to be the only way the FAI can punish clubs, and if 7 or more players are involved in match fixing then the club would have to be punished. I'd ban the players for life as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Maybe that in itself would be enough, but if anything can be proved then the FAI have to come down very hard.
Again, just to reiterate, I don't want Shels to be punished, because I want a full and thorough investigation to find that nothing untoward happened.
This country needs more solidarity and less Mé Feinism.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieB
fact of the matter is, the majority of Bohs fans that got sprayed were initially let in to watch the game. Had they done just that, watch the game like the other GENUINE supporters, instead of running out and shouting obesenities at the gardai, then they wudnt have got sprayed. the civil defense people that came in to help the injured were also then subject to the same vulgar abuse by a (small minority of Bohs fans) and had to leave the Bohs area. I feel for the genuine Bohs supporters that pleaded with the stewards to leave the Bohs section, as they will get painted with the same brush as the troublemakers. The gardai may have over reacted, i dont know as i wasnt there. But i do know for a fact, that a female steward from LTFC was assaulted as was a Bohs steward who was threatened by supposedly one of his own fellow Bohs fans. Its a real shame to see this kind of thuggary in the game.
Don't know the ins and outs of who the Bohs officials/stewards were but one man was pretty shaken up by all accounts. Not sure if he was hit or not but our secretary reckoned (whether she saw this or was just told I don't know) someone tried to hit him and were threatening his family. The lad brought to hospital was indeed a Bohs fan who got hit by a baton, fell back and split his head open on the ground.
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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
The common denominator is clearly those damned troublemaking hyphens!! They're always in the middle of bust-ups and involved with ne'er-do-wells! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Quarter-f draw is live on MNS tonight.
Teams in Quarter-Final Draw (Provisional Numbers)
1. Bohemians
2. Cork City
3. Drogheda United/Dundalk
4. Limerick
5. Saint Patrick’s Athletic
6. Shamrock Rovers/UCD
7. Sheriff
8. Sligo Rovers/Monaghan United
The draw for the quarter final of the FAI cup is on MNS tonight.
i was bored so i pulled numbers out of a hat
obviously it won't end up like this but I got:
2 v 7
4 vs 3
6 vs 1
8 vs 5
Easy one for Sheriff YC. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
How about the fans showing a bit of solidarity with the board in getting rid of the casuals and then worrying about (your admitedly fairly worrying) board afterwards?Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Anybody acting the casual at a football match in Ireland is an utter, utter, mutant beyond contempt.
And before anyone comes on "but, but, but, they weren't casuals, the rozzers woz beating people indiscriminately so they woz", casuals were present, no casuals, less hassle, they're easily dealt with, help deal with them.
Calling a load of lads running out to a gate for a nose "solidarity" :rolleyes:
Unusual to see the usual suspects not commentating on the 'crowd trouble' on Sat and saying how terrible it was. Anyhow, I wouldn't be too quick to blame Bohs on this having seeing first hand on a few occasions what counts for security in Longford.
Not going to make much difference to gate receipts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
FAI stewards along with a couple of Bohs stewards were doing the security for the Bohs fans inside the ground and the Gardai were in charge outside the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
It does seem like there was a major overreaction from the Gardai and, going on what you said, the pepper spray Garda has an Ombudsman case to answer, but there's no way those people should have been let in. If they've been banned in the wrong, then they should take their case up with Bohs, but it doesn't mean Longford should let them into their ground. Just because people shouted to let them in and rattled the gate doesn't mean Longford stewards or the Gardai should just say "ah sure go on". If Longford are told by Bohs that these guys are banned, then there's no way they should let them in.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
I'm picturing the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
What constitutes "acting the casual"? Is it what you wear? Because these days there is not much in the way of what I'd consider hooliganism. If you're discriminating on the basis of what people wear, then you can throw a lot of people who aren't in the BSC, including myself into that category. The "casuals" weren't causing any trouble. The casuals and the NBB and a lot of other Bohs fans were drinking in Foleys for several hours before the game, there was no trouble there or in the town, there was no reason for anyone to be refused admission and most of the bannings are a joke. The club would have went to the wall ages ago were it not for fundraising efforts organised by both casuals and NBB and many of us have coughed up substantial amounts of cash out of our own pockets to keep the club going. To be treated in this manner is a disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Sorry to tell you buddy, I was stewarding Sat night so yes I was there!! The Bohs troublemakers got everything they deserved. Rovers came down last season and packed out that section and we didn't have one troublemaker out of them. Bohs come down with a third of what Rovers had and cause trouble. Scum is too nice a word for them Bohs fans and I discount the real Bohs from that. The female steward I seen was knocked to the ground, she suffered no injury. Bohs fans there were threatening their own stewards and their families and were threatening to hunt them down!! What sort of ****s are they??!! According to another one of our stewards one Bohs fan tried to stab one of the dogs with an umbrella!! F*ckers like that should be locked up. They came prepared to cause trouble and even had 2 five gallon drums full of water to wash out their stricken colleagues eyes. It was hilarious stuff altogether seeing some of them sprawled out on the terrace rubbing there eyes!!!
Thats just one of the 'hardmen'!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Acting the casual would include impersonating Danny Dyer, picking fights in groups of 20, waving your arms around, putting on a mockney accent etc etc. It's nothing to do with what you wear, don't be so disengenuous, Bohs have these clowns, I'd wager you've a fair idea who a lot of these clowns are. They have no business in any football ground in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
This reminds me of that Chris Rock bit about "n words wanting credit for some **** they supposed to do"Quote:
The casuals and the NBB and a lot of other Bohs fans were drinking in Foleys for several hours before the game, there was no trouble there or in the town
I assume the people being refused admission were pointed out as having been troublemakers in the past?Quote:
there was no reason for anyone to be refused admission
Says who? You? Bohs is a members club isn't it? If the majority of members agree with you get it sorted. If they don't then tough. It shouldn't have to be Longford Towns problem either way.Quote:
and most of the bannings are a joke.
It doesn't matter if a million men raised a million euro each tbh.Quote:
The club would have went to the wall ages ago were it not for fundraising efforts organised by both casuals and NBB and many of us have coughed up substantial amounts of cash out of our own pockets to keep the club going.
Dipping your hand in your pocket doesn't entitle you to behave whatever way you please.
As a socialist I'm sure you can agree wth the sentiment. ;)
Are you the one who refused to get medical attention when I asked? If so you've got some neck. 1. That young lad with his eyes covered is not "One of the hardmen". 2. If you were stewarding for Longford you couldn't have seen how this started. 3. If a dog trained to cause serious injury was trying to maul me, I'd stab it too. 4. The five gallon drums of water weren't brought, they were provided either by the gards or civil defence or someone. 5. Threatening people was out of order but it was in the heat of the moment when people are lying on the ground and a cop is coming back in and re-spraying people already injured with pepper spray then you can understand thing getting heated. 6. If you think that batons, dogs and pepper spray are a justifiable response to a few people pushing a gate then maybe you should consider a career in extreme right wing politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Town Legend
I've already explained that most of the bannings are unjustified on the basis an individual on the board uses his power to hand out bannings to people he just doesn't like. The whole point I'm making is that the only justifiable banning is one where you have evidence of some wrong doing. It's difficult to get a majority of a general meeting attendance to agree with you when a significant section of people there are auld lads who don't go to away games and lap up everything Herr Maher tells them. We have been trying though and we are determined to get better organised to get him out of there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die