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Here's the link where Stephen Kenny confirms we are commited to full time football after McGlynn and Farren signed new deals. This interview was only last month.
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http://www.derryjournal.com/derry-sp...ynn.4461705.jp
Here's the link where Stephen Kenny confirms we are commited to full time football after McGlynn and Farren signed new deals. This interview was only last month.
Yeah its a great thing for the league that Drogheda spent way beyond their means and tried to buy every cup going. The ground move was needed and would of been a positive but with most things in life, a contingency was needed just in case and your sugar daddys had no plan B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drogman.
I don't why ye Drogs keep criticising UCD for no ambition. Ambition for some clubs maybe is survival or b/e but look at where your fabled ambition now has got you. 12m over 4 years for 1 league, 1 Cup and 2 selotanta cups. Can't wait for the "Drogs glory year DVD". ;)
Pipe dream and a pet project was all that Drogheda Utd is. Also I think you are very lucky as I believe your owners have given you a very soft landing for next season. They could of pulled the plug and you'd have no club.
Doesn't prove anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by headtheball
Cork City gave Gamble a new contract and Hugh Pay rise and were looking to bring in 3 or 4 new players to strenghten theie squad before it went all tits up for them.
Drogs gave shane robinson a new improved 3 year contract and also signed Faz. Not exactly signs of a team that is now going part time next year is it?
I don't think anybody here is deliberlty trying to have a go at Derry. They might be one a the best supported clubs in the league, but they too a spending quite a bit of money on wages and it is only too right that people are sceptical of their fiances.
If I was a fan of Derry, and seeing what was going on with other clubs int eh league, I wouldn't be quoting people within the clubs who are saying that "Everything is Ok". I would be demanding answers and making sure that everything is ok
Dodge, you posted that you 'Read somewhere that Derry were going Part-time'Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
You then deny rumour mongering by posting the original thread, yet on the fourth post of this thread, it's original statement is discredited.
So therefore you read the first post, which was crap, and then regurgitated it some time later with an "i read somewhere" statement.
Now if that's not rumour mongering can you please tell what is?
As for the posting a link thingy, I've already apologised for that. Didn't know how to.
Agree totally Bulmerskid.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulmersKid
My point is, that as of 12.39pm on Friday 10th october, no-one at Derry City has mentioned going part-time, as has been suggested on this thread.
Fair enough on the link. Apologies for that tone too (Simply cut and pate it from the browser address bar as you would any piece of text)
But again, I wasn't rumour mongering. I said I read they were going partime, and then showed where I read it. I didn't say whether it was true, or whther people sould believe it. I just backed up a couple of people who said they read it aswell.
Rovers maniac was rumour mongering. I wasn't. He was possibly trying to have a dig at Derry, I wasn't. If you weren't so defensive over this, you may agree (and yeah I get the irony of that statement).
Jesus, give it a rest will you, you've made your point several times over now, and no one has disagreed with you since the first timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
Clubs going bust is never a good thing. But the reckless nature that these clubs were run was just plain madness. Not one club had a plan B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drogman.
No real business model. Drogs had a good idea but wnet about it arse ways. They should have made sure they got planning first and put money into the team as they were building the stadium. Or even built up the team before building the stadium to help finance it.
All the clubs that are in trouble were one trick ponies:
Cork looking for an All-Ireland league
Bohs looking for the sale of Dalymount
St. Pats looking for Euro glory
Not one of them had a sound fbusiness model if thinks went wrong. They were spending money they thought would arrive but with no thought of the consequences if it didn't.
Thats the problem.
Clubs didn't learn from Shels so it need a bigger bang for them to sit up and take notice.
Thats why this is seen as a good thing that clubs are going bust. It gives the league a chance to reform and have a decent look at the problems.
Just need someone other that the FAI to sort it out
Pats absolutely did not plan on any european glory this year. I can tell you that for a fact. (For what its worth, they budgeted for one game, as in 2006). The extra income has come as a pleasent surpriseQuote:
Originally Posted by BulmersKid
Just copy and paste the link from the browser address barQuote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
As has already been said in this thread, there's nothing wrong with having a vision, the problem arises when that vision is short sighted, cross-eyed and essentially blind.
Clubs are deciding that they can run when they should be starting to crawl. Nothing was wrong with Shels, Drogheda or Bohs wanting to sell their assets and redevelop new grounds. The problems arose because they didn't have the vision required to wait until these projects were actually completed before spending the money they expected to make from them.
Why couldn't Drogheda continue to live within their means until their development was completed? Why expose the club to such a massive debt? Same goes for Shels and Bohs. Shamrock Rovers were guilty of the same in the past, they got lucky and now they have their house in order, they've stuck to a budget they can afford and will only spend what additional revenue the move to Tallaght will make, not what they projected it might make.
It's sad to see clubs going to the wall like this, we'd all love to see a thriving, healthy league, however if the current crisis leads to better practice and sustainable clubs, within a sustainable league then some good will have come from it.
You are probably right, or a least know more than me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Was just trying to think off the top of my head of why Pats would invest heavily with money they have no way of making back unless they were banking on success of some sort.
I didn't say they weren't doing that. Kelleher's master paln is for a youth acedemy to rival others in England (not neccesairly the Arsenal, Man U types) but, in his opinion, for young footballers to see Ireland as a viable option, they need to have a succesful first team to aim for. In his defence, he has improved the ground, and we know from some sources that he has started the ball moving on other gound/off field improvements.
Pats have budgeted for losses for the next few years (and this year our expected losses are far lower than budgetted for). The hope is that the planning is long term (and Kelleher's €10 million bond would indicate it is)
As, no-one has seen that:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BulmersKid
Sound models in the football world, globally, are few and far between. Unfortunately they aren't really successful either, as when everyone else is off winning trophies based on unsustainable models, they are treading water.
You didn't even know you owed us money; how do you know how long it's been owed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
With respect, your knowledge of DCFC seems limited at best. I'd suggest having a detailed look before coming back and commenting again.
What a crock of ****, you've obviously only being following the drogs for a couple of seasons and one of the thousand or so bandwagon jumpers in Drogheda. Most fans would be still delighted to have a club, you didnt hear any of that talk when Dundalk, Rovers, Shels got into trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanDrog
I hope the REAL fans of Drogheda can do something to keep the club going because it would be a shame for the league and football in the north-east if Drogheda go out of football.
What the fcuk are you talking about, all i said was it's not unusual for companies to hold off paying bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Maybe you should step down of your high horse before coming back and commenting again.
And what content of any of my posts makes you say that 'my knowledge of Derry city seems limited at best'?
I never claimed to know anything about Derry City, you did in your "As far as i am aware statement" post 105
What are you going on about with all that, ya lunatic?!! Steve said that one of the reasons for Drogheda being unsuccessful throughout much of our history was because we were a small town, yeah? My point was that teams from smaller towns had won more than Drogheda. So what coffee you're on about I don't know!Quote:
Originally Posted by sligored
You check the bleedin census, because Drogheda is bigger (by 5 people!!) than D*ndalk. Drogheda is the largest urban area in Ireland after the 5 cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligored
yeah, and to my mind Sligo is just a town full of pikeys :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by sligored
Care to explain how/why ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
Or does your arguement solely consist of a stream of a 'how very dare you' hyperbole...? :confused:
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Originally Posted by Dodge
Seems you're the one with the hard on for complaining....Quote:
Originally Posted by DCFCSteve
:o
No it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
It's the line that's been coming out of a small numebr of people's arses outside of Derry - mostly, it seems, on Foot.ie...
Apologies steve, its seems you aren't quite the côck I thought you wereQuote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
I'd love to be able to say the same in-return, amigo... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I'm not quite sure what your on about Steve, Alot of drogheda united fans are hurting at the moment and you are wondering why a statement like 'your town is devoid of football history and culture' is insulting......Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Selective quoting there Windmill.Quote:
Originally Posted by WindmillWarrior
I sited two reasons for Drogheda going 42 years without much success :
1) It being a relatively small urban area (though admittedly it has expanded rapidly in recent years), and
2) It not being a traditional soccer town (unlike smaller, but moire successful, footballing towns like Sligo, Athlone and Dundalk).
Small population and no tradition of football equal rubbish crowds in Irish football. Rubbish crowds equal very limited revenues, which equals lack of success.
It was only when a sugar daddy and a property-development play came into being that Drogheda actually became 'succesful'. Which just proves my point. Drogheda were playing at a level that they otherwise wouldn't and couldn't have survived at. Sooner or later, the status quo has to be returned to.
P.S. Anyone who claims Drogheda's four 1st Division titles as some indicator of success needs shooting. Drogheda is the most relegated club in Ireland - fact. Sent down 5 times - including an absurd period across the 90's when the club went up and then straight back down again for 8 years in succession (1993/4 - 2000/1). They only won the First Division 4 times because they weren't good enough to keep out of the bloody place !
What's with the no tradition of football? GAA in Louth is terrible and for the smallest county in Ireland to have 2 League of Ireland teams is remarkable considering other places that you would expect to have one.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
What constitutes a football tradition? There has been football in Drogheda since 1919, and the town has produced Irish internationals like Gary Kelly, Ian Harte, Nicky Colgan and to a lesser extent footballer Sean Thornton. Other players like Gary Tallon who was with Blackburn the year after they won the Premier League would have made it but only for a serious injury. That's more players playing for Ireland or whoever there than some other areas put together!
Get over yourself Steve, for a Derry City fan you really are full of more sh*t than I originally thought.
sher newcastle united have hardly ever won anything, hmmmm.... id say its probably because that city is devoid of football culture and history....yea, that must be it.
Steve, Derry fans are in no position to speak about other clubs' successes.
As your own chairman says
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People keep telling me Derry City are a 'big club' and should be winning trophies on a regular basis but what is this based on? We have won 3 league titles in 80 years of trying.
All perfectly true.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
The diametric opposite is also true. The club at that time were too good to stay in the graveyard division so we kept on being promoted.
That's what they were trying to do! Admittedly it was a risky way of doing it, but all business plans are like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
At the moment the directors cannot finance the club for another 4 years due to being let down in the stadium project. The plan C now is to start at the bottom of the ladder again and hopefully get back to full-time status with new stadium in the next 5 years or so.
We can't stay in Utd Park if we want to play Premier Division football, End of. So the club had no alternative to try and get this stadium to develop and put down structures for the future. Because of some stupid planning decisions this hasn't happened so the club has no alternative now to cut costs and start from the bottom of the ladder again.
Yes, because I wanted to correct that, as its fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Didn't bother with the rest of what you said because its just your opinion and its mostly bullsh*t imo.
I'm not giving opinion here - the results speak for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drogman.
There are towns and cities in Ireland where football has been pretty much the major sport for years : Athlone, Dundalk, Sligo, Waterford, Belfast, Derry (ironically, mostly garrison towns). Those are towns with a tradition of football - where the game has ben bigger than rugby or GAA since pretty much Day 1. Unsurprisingly, teams from those areas have had periods of success in Irish football over the years, and they've been able to attract big crowds when they are doing well.
Other clubs in the league have been from areas where football is not the main sport - which combines with a small population to make the appeal of those clubs relatively limited. Those clubs rarely get big crowds - even during periods when they are doing well. Think Monaghan, Kilkenny, Kildare, Thurles, Newcastle West etc. There are obviously exceptions to this : Longford had a degree of success, but with hindsight that blip was primarily due to good management. Drogs have just finished a relative period of success, but that blip was due to being financed beyond their income.
The only team I can think of from a small town without a footballing tradition who have had much success in the LOI is Finn Harps. And that success amounted to one FAI Cup and three runners up slots in the league.
The long-term results clubs have in football tend to reflect the potential size of support those clubs have. Two things are key in this : the size of their catchment population, and the appeal of football within that catchment. As with everything in life, there are always exceptions (e.g. Newcastle United in England, who have serial board-room incompetence to blame for their lack of success). But this is a general rule of thumb throughout world football.
To bring this all back to Drogheda - they were competing at a level that nothing bar their artifically inflated bank statements could justify. Hence they were always going to have to return to the relative lack of success they faced for the previous 42 years at some point.
If you don't agree with the above analysis - fine. But give sensible, results-based reasons as to why you believe it is incorrect re Irish football. Telling me to "get over myself.." doesn't alter the history of our league...
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celdrog
Which medium-to-long term trend suggests that Drogs natural level in the pecking order - pre-artifical cash injection - was somewhere between the 2 leagues. Not at the top of the top one.
I don't think it was wrong for Hoey to have a plan. It was a decent plan to make the club self-sufficient.
What was wrong, however, was to gamble on an uncertain outcome, and to pay ridiculous wages, forcing everyone else to up the ante.
That and overspending. Still it was fun while it lasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Jaysus Steve, obviously we were punching above our weight. No one is doubting that. We know where our level is, we're not stupid. For us to have a mid table team that has a go at a cup compo every now and again would be magic! Obviously we got too big too quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
But to say Drogheda is not a footballing town is ridiculous. Its been recognised as being so in Ireland for many years now. Throughout our miserable history Drogheda Utd always had a decent support. As i've already said I think we've had awful awful luck for a long time, luck that maybe might have even allowed us into the prestigious Athlone/Sligo club! Theres f*ck all GAA clubs in Drogheda, a lot less than D*ndalk - the north of the county being the stronghold for GAA in the county.
Anyway, rush post, I'm off to the pub
bloody hell are you really proposing to make the same mistakes all over againQuote:
Originally Posted by Drogman.
The plan is to get a new stadium to make the club self sufficient. The full time status I would imagine would come along after that however I think it is a necessity for fulltime football as you cannot and will not develop or attract a decent quality of player without that structure in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
[QUOTE=dcfcsteve;1037315]I'm not giving opinion here - the results speak for themselves.
There are towns and cities in Ireland where football has been pretty much the major sport for years : Athlone, Dundalk, Sligo, Waterford, Belfast, Derry (ironically, mostly garrison towns). Those are towns with a tradition of football - where the game has ben bigger than rugby or GAA since pretty much Day 1. Unsurprisingly, teams from those areas have had periods of success in Irish football over the years, and they've been able to attract big crowds when they are doing well.
I see you are using the word 'irony' in the alanis morrisett sense!
ah yes Rugby and GAA have beed dwarfing football round these parts for years now. the mighty Boyne RFC and then there was that time sam maguire came to town back in 1957. If your so in with DCFC maybee you know some one who has still got C.brennans contact details, give him a bell and ask him to tell you about football culture in drogheda, or maybee ask to speak to his brother about playing for drogheda town in the fai cup. Football has been the number one sport in this (garrison) town for close to a century now.
Yeah there born with an O'Neills ball in the Cooley peninsula. Mattock won the senior championship against the blues didn't they and the dreadnots won the intermediate and the Nicks won the juniors. Are they not roughly all drogheda teams.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by WindmillWarrior