Drogheda not able to pay their players

[headtheball]

http://www.derryjournal.com/derry-sp...ynn.4461705.jp

Here's the link where Stephen Kenny confirms we are commited to full time football after McGlynn and Farren signed new deals. This interview was only last month.

[jinxy lilywhite]

I don't understand why people keep saying that its good for the league that clubs go bust? I can see the point of view of over spending on wages however what's wrong with a bit of vision?

I mean, it's not like the Drogs were just spending money on wages only to remain in Utd Park forever. There was a plan there and if it didn't happen then we would end up going back to the way were were before.

I don't see why clubs spending money on wages and to develop a stadium is anything bad. Imagine if this happened, and it nearly did, only for the planning process f*cking it up we'd be preparing to play in a new stadium next season. Just imagine what this would have done to the league if it happened as it would have given the other clubs a massive boost to go out there and develop their own project.

The league needs a major re-think, I do agree, however people saying that this is good for the league are in the need of a reality check. Progress for this league doesn't mean dropping to the level of UCD with no vision or ambition and happy to plough along saying I told you so to other clubs.

Yeah its a great thing for the league that Drogheda spent way beyond their means and tried to buy every cup going. The ground move was needed and would of been a positive but with most things in life, a contingency was needed just in case and your sugar daddys had no plan B.
I don't why ye Drogs keep criticising UCD for no ambition. Ambition for some clubs maybe is survival or b/e but look at where your fabled ambition now has got you. 12m over 4 years for 1 league, 1 Cup and 2 selotanta cups. Can't wait for the "Drogs glory year DVD".
Pipe dream and a pet project was all that Drogheda Utd is. Also I think you are very lucky as I believe your owners have given you a very soft landing for next season. They could of pulled the plug and you'd have no club.

[BulmersKid]

http://www.derryjournal.com/derry-sp...ynn.4461705.jp

Here's the link where Stephen Kenny confirms we are commited to full time football after McGlynn and Farren signed new deals. This interview was only last month.

Doesn't prove anything.

Cork City gave Gamble a new contract and Hugh Pay rise and were looking to bring in 3 or 4 new players to strenghten theie squad before it went all tits up for them.

Drogs gave shane robinson a new improved 3 year contract and also signed Faz. Not exactly signs of a team that is now going part time next year is it?

I don't think anybody here is deliberlty trying to have a go at Derry. They might be one a the best supported clubs in the league, but they too a spending quite a bit of money on wages and it is only too right that people are sceptical of their fiances.

If I was a fan of Derry, and seeing what was going on with other clubs int eh league, I wouldn't be quoting people within the clubs who are saying that "Everything is Ok". I would be demanding answers and making sure that everything is ok

[Krstic]

Not defending myself. I've nothing to defend.

Anyway, here's the thread I read (oooh look at me rumour mongering...)

Didn't read it past the first few posts until now. Didn't bother as it isn't that big a deal for me. Still not, I was just trying to show that where others may have got the same idea

Luckily it posts a link to that statement. Any reason you couldn't have? Glad to see another club isn't on the rocks

Dodge, you posted that you 'Read somewhere that Derry were going Part-time'
You then deny rumour mongering by posting the original thread, yet on the fourth post of this thread, it's original statement is discredited.

So therefore you read the first post, which was crap, and then regurgitated it some time later with an "i read somewhere" statement.

Now if that's not rumour mongering can you please tell what is?

As for the posting a link thingy, I've already apologised for that. Didn't know how to.

[Krstic]

Doesn't prove anything.

Cork City gave Gamble a new contract and Hugh Pay rise and were looking to bring in 3 or 4 new players to strenghten theie squad before it went all tits up for them.

Drogs gave shane robinson a new improved 3 year contract and also signed Faz. Not exactly signs of a team that is now going part time next year is it?

I don't think anybody here is deliberlty trying to have a go at Derry. They might be one a the best supported clubs in the league, but they too a spending quite a bit of money on wages and it is only too right that people are sceptical of their fiances.

If I was a fan of Derry, and seeing what was going on with other clubs int eh league, I wouldn't be quoting people within the clubs who are saying that "Everything is Ok". I would be demanding answers and making sure that everything is ok

Agree totally Bulmerskid.

My point is, that as of 12.39pm on Friday 10th october, no-one at Derry City has mentioned going part-time, as has been suggested on this thread.

[Dodge]

Fair enough on the link. Apologies for that tone too (Simply cut and pate it from the browser address bar as you would any piece of text)

But again, I wasn't rumour mongering. I said I read they were going partime, and then showed where I read it. I didn't say whether it was true, or whther people sould believe it. I just backed up a couple of people who said they read it aswell.

Rovers maniac was rumour mongering. I wasn't. He was possibly trying to have a dig at Derry, I wasn't. If you weren't so defensive over this, you may agree (and yeah I get the irony of that statement).

[Dodge]

Agree totally Bulmerskid.

My point is, that as of 12.39pm on Friday 10th october, Knowone at Derry City has mentioned going part-time, as has been suggested on this thread.

Jesus, give it a rest will you, you've made your point several times over now, and no one has disagreed with you since the first time

[BulmersKid]

I don't understand why people keep saying that its good for the league that clubs go bust? I can see the point of view of over spending on wages however what's wrong with a bit of vision?

Clubs going bust is never a good thing. But the reckless nature that these clubs were run was just plain madness. Not one club had a plan B.

No real business model. Drogs had a good idea but wnet about it arse ways. They should have made sure they got planning first and put money into the team as they were building the stadium. Or even built up the team before building the stadium to help finance it.

All the clubs that are in trouble were one trick ponies:

Cork looking for an All-Ireland league

Bohs looking for the sale of Dalymount

St. Pats looking for Euro glory

Not one of them had a sound fbusiness model if thinks went wrong. They were spending money they thought would arrive but with no thought of the consequences if it didn't.

Thats the problem.

Clubs didn't learn from Shels so it need a bigger bang for them to sit up and take notice.

Thats why this is seen as a good thing that clubs are going bust. It gives the league a chance to reform and have a decent look at the problems.

Just need someone other that the FAI to sort it out

[Dodge]

All the clubs that are in trouble were one trick ponies:

St. Pats looking for Euro glory

Pats absolutely did not plan on any european glory this year. I can tell you that for a fact. (For what its worth, they budgeted for one game, as in 2006). The extra income has come as a pleasent surprise

[BulmersKid]

As for the posting a link thingy, I've already apologised for that. Didn't know how to.

Just copy and paste the link from the browser address bar

[passinginterest]

As has already been said in this thread, there's nothing wrong with having a vision, the problem arises when that vision is short sighted, cross-eyed and essentially blind.

Clubs are deciding that they can run when they should be starting to crawl. Nothing was wrong with Shels, Drogheda or Bohs wanting to sell their assets and redevelop new grounds. The problems arose because they didn't have the vision required to wait until these projects were actually completed before spending the money they expected to make from them.

Why couldn't Drogheda continue to live within their means until their development was completed? Why expose the club to such a massive debt? Same goes for Shels and Bohs. Shamrock Rovers were guilty of the same in the past, they got lucky and now they have their house in order, they've stuck to a budget they can afford and will only spend what additional revenue the move to Tallaght will make, not what they projected it might make.

It's sad to see clubs going to the wall like this, we'd all love to see a thriving, healthy league, however if the current crisis leads to better practice and sustainable clubs, within a sustainable league then some good will have come from it.

[BulmersKid]

Pats absolutely did not plan on any european glory this year. I can tell you that for a fact. (For what its worth, they budgeted for one game, as in 2006). The extra income has come as a pleasent surprise

You are probably right, or a least know more than me.

Was just trying to think off the top of my head of why Pats would invest heavily with money they have no way of making back unless they were banking on success of some sort.

[Dodge]

I didn't say they weren't doing that. Kelleher's master paln is for a youth acedemy to rival others in England (not neccesairly the Arsenal, Man U types) but, in his opinion, for young footballers to see Ireland as a viable option, they need to have a succesful first team to aim for. In his defence, he has improved the ground, and we know from some sources that he has started the ball moving on other gound/off field improvements.

Pats have budgeted for losses for the next few years (and this year our expected losses are far lower than budgetted for). The hope is that the planning is long term (and Kelleher's €10 million bond would indicate it is)

[MariborKev]

Not one of them had a sound fbusiness model if thinks went wrong. They were spending money they thought would arrive but with no thought of the consequences if it didn't.

Thats the problem.

As, no-one has seen that

Sound models in the football world, globally, are few and far between. Unfortunately they aren't really successful either, as when everyone else is off winning trophies based on unsustainable models, they are treading water.

[pineapple stu]

as for the other bit, I know of very few companies that pay outstanding bills on their due date.

You didn't even know you owed us money; how do you know how long it's been owed?

With respect, your knowledge of DCFC seems limited at best. I'd suggest having a detailed look before coming back and commenting again.

[Louth4sam]

IMO we should now fold rather than revert and regress, we tried it all and we ultimately failed but at least we have some great memories. Couldnt face partime football back in the doldrums and potentially playing sides who are tenants of a college rugby side - I can go to leinster senior league and watch Boyne Rovers or Drogheda Town if that is the level of our expectations.

What a crock of ****, you've obviously only being following the drogs for a couple of seasons and one of the thousand or so bandwagon jumpers in Drogheda. Most fans would be still delighted to have a club, you didnt hear any of that talk when Dundalk, Rovers, Shels got into trouble.
I hope the REAL fans of Drogheda can do something to keep the club going because it would be a shame for the league and football in the north-east if Drogheda go out of football.

[Krstic]

You didn't even know you owed us money; how do you know how long it's been owed?

With respect, your knowledge of DCFC seems limited at best. I'd suggest having a detailed look before coming back and commenting again.

What the fcuk are you talking about, all i said was it's not unusual for companies to hold off paying bills.

Maybe you should step down of your high horse before coming back and commenting again.

And what content of any of my posts makes you say that 'my knowledge of Derry city seems limited at best'?
I never claimed to know anything about Derry City, you did in your "As far as i am aware statement" post 105

[WindmillWarrior]

Founded 1963 and renamed 1975
Domestic Honours
League Of Ireland Champions 2007, Runner Up 1982/83
League Of Ireland 1st Division Champions 1988/89, 90/91, 98/99, 01/02, Runner Up 1994/95, 1996/97
FAI Cup Winners 2005, Runner Up 1971, 1976
League Cup Winners 1983/84
League Of Ireland Shield Winners 1991
Entered League 1963

Compare this to your so called small towns, windmill.

Sligo
Formed 1928
League Champions: 1937, 1977
League Runners-up: 1939, 1951
First Division Champions: 1994, 2005
First Division Runners-up: 1986, 1990
F.A.I. Cup Winners: 1983, 1994
F.A.I. Cup Runners-up: 1939, 1940, 1970, 1978, 1981
League Cup Winners: 1998
League Cup Runners-up: 1976, 1977, 1996
Shield Winners: 1994
Shield Runners-up: 1940

Dundalk
Formed 1930
League Champions1932-33, 1962-63, 1966-67, 1975-76, 1978-79, 1981-82, 1987-88, 1990-91, 1994-95)

First Division Champions:1 (2000-01)

FAI Cup Winners:9 (1942, 1949, 1952, 1958, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1988, 2002)

League Cup Winners:4 (1977-78, 1980-81, 1986-87, 1989-90)

Athlone
Founded 1887
FAI Premier Division Titles: 2 1980-81, 1982-83
FAI First Division League Titles: 1 1987-1988
FAI Cup: 1 1924
League Cups: 3 1979-80, 1981-82, 1982-83

wise up and smell the coffee

What are you going on about with all that, ya lunatic?!! Steve said that one of the reasons for Drogheda being unsuccessful throughout much of our history was because we were a small town, yeah? My point was that teams from smaller towns had won more than Drogheda. So what coffee you're on about I don't know!

check the last census - dundalk is a bigger town than drogheda population wise anyway.

You check the bleedin census, because Drogheda is bigger (by 5 people!!) than D*ndalk. Drogheda is the largest urban area in Ireland after the 5 cities.

To my mind drogheda is just a satellite town from dublin.

yeah, and to my mind Sligo is just a town full of pikeys

[dcfcsteve]

Absurd, factually inaccurate, untrue and actually rather insulting.

Care to explain how/why ?

Or does your arguement solely consist of a stream of a 'how very dare you' hyperbole...?

[dcfcsteve]

Don't worry about it. Steve has a hard on for complaining about "towns". He rubbishes every non city team at every availabel oppurtunity. Conveniently forgetting about the likes of Dundalk and Athlone.

- Hence :whilst pretty much every club in the league from a larger urban area and/or a town with a soccer tradition experienced success in the years since Drogs joined in 1963 (Athlone, Waterford, Sligo, Galway, Dundalk, Limerick, Cork, Derry) success eluded them fior 42 years.

Seems you're the one with the hard on for complaining....