Bohs fan fails to get 'hooligan associates' ban lifted

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Originally Posted by Docboy

Some pretty right-wing sentiments being expressed here lads. Guilty by association, gives me a shiver just thinking about it. Surely you must realise that life is bit more complex than that. What if he knows these people his whole life, just because he'll acknowledge them doesn't necessarily mean he condones their behaviour.

That said I don't the full circumstances, just commenting on the perceived injustice.

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I hear what you're saying but man, i just want shot of these hangers-on scumbag idiots who if given an inch will destroy our league.

Can anyone that knows them tell them to go to England to live, they would love it there, its ready made and its only waiting for them. Fawk off and leave this league alone. And i'm serious, alot of them probably have English teams as well, go follow them. Its an option available to them, go there. They'd fit right in.

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Originally Posted by joey4ireland

If it is true that this guy isn't allowed support the team he followed all his life because he associates with thugs than it is an absolute disgrace. Just think of how hard it would be to take if you were told you can't support your team or watch them play because you occasionaly talk to someone who acts like a thug. I'd be both gutted and disgusted with city if they did that to me

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So would you be happy to associate with thugs that were causing trouble at City?

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

So would you be happy to associate with thugs that were causing trouble at City?

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That's not at all what he said.

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Originally Posted by pól-dcfc

That's not at all what he said.

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No but i think it's been well established that the banned fan has been banned for that very reason.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

No but i think it's been well established that the banned fan has been banned for that very reason.

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It is. But that still doesn't mean your comment was valid.

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Originally Posted by pól-dcfc

It is. But that still doesn't mean your comment was valid.

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Maybe not but it is getting us no where.


And in the whole thread no one has laid any of the blame on the BSC. they get away with it scott free. Why is that i wonder?

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Originally Posted by A face

Maybe not but it is getting us no where.


And in the whole thread no one has laid any of the blame on the BSC. they get away with it scott free. Why is that i wonder?

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We're all scared of them!

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Originally Posted by A face

And in the whole thread no one has laid any of the blame on the BSC. they get away with it scott free. Why is that i wonder?

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Because it's a thread about Bohs banning fan for doing nothing, not about the BSC?

I have acquaintances who I'd share a pint with, and indeed friends - who do things or hold views I don't agree with. It'd be ridiculous to judge me on the basis of what others do or views they hold.

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Originally Posted by pól-dcfc

It is. But that still doesn't mean your comment was valid.

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Do you ever stop to think what keeps families from going to EL games in larger numbers?

BOHS are trying to do something about their problem and make DAlyer a welcoming environment for families etc, if a "supporter" has a problem with this really he should go some where else.

Tell me if your local boozer had a policy you didn't agree with would you be bothered going to court to get them to change or would you find another boozer?

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

Do you ever stop to think what keeps families from going to EL games in larger numbers?

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Again, nothing to do with what was posted by myself or joey.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

BOHS are trying to do something about their problem and make DAlyer a welcoming environment for families etc, if a "supporter" has a problem with this really he should go some where else.

Tell me if your local boozer had a policy you didn't agree with would you be bothered going to court to get them to change or would you find another boozer?

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I haven't said whether or not I support the ban anywhere on this thread so far.

For the record, I think Bohs probably had there reasons for banning him in the first place, and fair play to them for sticking to their guns in court. Hooliganism must be stamped out in Ireland before it develops into something worse.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

Do you ever stop to think what keeps families from going to EL games in larger numbers?

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Lazyiness of the parents looking for excuses not to bother their hole. Can be quality of facilities, standard of football, hooliganism - which ever is most appropriate this week.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

Do you ever stop to think what keeps families from going to EL games in larger numbers?

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And on that point, I'm sure hooliganism is far down that particular list. It isn't a major problem here yet. Expense of tickets, poor facilities, the lure of televised football and a lack of advertising would, I'm sure, be more of a reason for people staying away from the LoI. Not to mention the general disintegration of community spirit in Ireland and the decline of the blue collar workforce, the traditional body of support for football. Oh, and percieved 'rubbish' standard of play, and a lack of roots in the locality of the ground.

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Originally Posted by Docboy

Some pretty right-wing sentiments being expressed here lads. Guilty by association, gives me a shiver just thinking about it. Surely you must realise that life is bit more complex than that. What if he knows these people his whole life, just because he'll acknowledge them doesn't necessarily mean he condones their behaviour.

That said I don't the full circumstances, just commenting on the perceived injustice.

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There's a world of difference between acknowledging somone who is a known hooligan, and actively going to home and away football games with known hooligans.

There's plenty of opportunities in life to 'acknowledge' people you have a tenuous connection with. Travelling around the country with them is clearly more involvement with than acknowledgment of.

Plus - at the age of 33, thsi guy is older than your average BSC wannabe, so it's not like he went to school with them etc.

I can see no sensible reaosn why someone who cares about their football club would want to associate with known hooligans who are a blight on that club. Notuions of the 'perceived injustice' are just ballax - and I'm a liberal..... :)

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

No but i think it's been well established that the banned fan has been banned for that very reason.

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I disgree.

It will only become clear why he's been banned when the full case comes to court.

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Originally Posted by pól-dcfc

And on that point, I'm sure hooliganism is far down that particular list. It isn't a major problem here yet. Expense of tickets, poor facilities, the lure of televised football and a lack of advertising would, I'm sure, be more of a reason for people staying away from the LoI. Not to mention the general disintegration of community spirit in Ireland and the decline of the blue collar workforce, the traditional body of support for football. Oh, and percieved 'rubbish' standard of play, and a lack of roots in the locality of the ground.

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No doubt those are all factors, but half of them (televised football, decline of community spirit/blue collar fanbase etc) are beyond the reach of EL football clubs to counter or reverse.

And of those that remain (expense of tickets, poor facilities, advertising etc), it takes money to resolve these and with admission receipts still the primary source of revenue for most clubs, then anything which hurts attendances HAS to be addressed, including the poor image derived from hooliganism (whether perceived or real).

More to the point, if you were to ask your average punter who might be persuaded to give EL a try, which he would prefer the clubs tackle first e.g. poor toilets or the threat of violence, I suspect I know which would be his answer. And it's not just him or even his wife etc; will nobody think of the children?*

On top of which, you are never going to attract the corporate sponsorship and advertising needed e.g. to improve facilities or subsidise admission prices so long as the game projects such a poor image. And hooliganism, even the threat of it, must be the game's worst image problem for many.


* - I've always wanted a genuine pretext to ask that question! ;)

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

And of those that remain (expense of tickets, poor facilities, advertising etc), it takes money to resolve these and with admission receipts still the primary source of revenue for most clubs, then anything which hurts attendances HAS to be addressed, including the poor image derived from hooliganism (whether perceived or real).

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[WUM]Oh, I forgot that not everyone was getting 'double grants' ;)[/WUM]

I agree with you BTW. And also agree that hooliganism is a problem that needs to be eradicated. I just think that it's being blown out of all proportion.

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Plus - at the age of 33, thsi guy is older than your average BSC wannabe, so it's not like he went to school with them etc.

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Incorrect most of the BSC are early to mid thirties

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Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

Incorrect most of the BSC are early to mid thirties

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..IQ?

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Originally Posted by noby

..IQ?

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<30..

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Originally Posted by A face

Good post but i even think that gives them more credit that they deserve.

Lets face it, a lot of these guy have issues, dysfunctional background, they come from a social crisis area, they have behavioural problems and this is just a means interacting with their counterparts as a very basic and primitive level, the lowest common denominator or else they were just the guys that were always singled out as 'no hopers', guys that would never be able to get it together enough to do anything with themselves and they are just fufilling this prophesy.

Is not actually a football related issue in the wider scheme of things, its a social problem. They are skangers but they are skangers that cant function on their own, either because they are intimidated when not in a group, ala cowards or the behavioural issues they have, the limited social skills forcing them to exist like this. I'd say alot of them should be in some sort of care.

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:D
Theres enough stereotypes there to fill a season of desperate housewives.

This decision is wrong.
If his only crime is to be assosciated with the filth that is the BSC then this is bull. Pure tripe, and Bohemians will get raped in court. No man with half a legal brain will ever let this fly.

More importantly this man has followed his club for 30 years and now he has a lifetime ban? And the vast majority of posters are of the its good enough for ya sentiment?. Whats wrong with you people? I know drug dealers, grew up with them etc, doesnt make me a pusher though. Theres such a thing as due process, and evidence etc. This decision has none of that. Guilty by assosciation? Are you having a laugh? This is disgusting, it is neithor morally correct or just.

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