"Maybe" what?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
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"Maybe" what?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Yes indeed, it should be noted that Article 16 is a replica of the UK agreement signed in 1993? and annexed to FIFA rules at that time, formally brought into the statutes in 2008 as Article 16.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
No way would the FAI or Nationalists in the North accept that Irish citizens born in the North were not eligible for the FAI, unless they fulfill residency or other requirements down South.Quote:
In line with that, the FIFA Legal Committee invited the FAI voluntarily to confine itself to selecting for its association teams Northern Irish players who meet one of the following requirements: a) the player was born in the Republic of Ireland, b) his biological mother or father was born in the Republic of Ireland, c) his grandmother or grandfather was born in the Republic of Ireland, or d) he has lived continuously, for at least two years, in the Republic of Ireland.
This was conveyed to the FAI by letter dated 7th March 2007.
Similar to the FIFA passport/id impasse, this was not a runner.
I accept that, however, it challenges your earlier assertion that "the IFA refused all cooperation". In this instance, it was the FAI who rejected the proposal to operate on a similar basis to the British Associations re: eligiblity.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I don't expect that FIFA automatically understand the Irish situation, sometimes like the passport/id thing, the Irish situation has to be spelt out for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
I also wrote that the basis for compromise is that both associations understood the rules as they stand.
The IFA not only did not understand the rules but insisted with a vehement stubbornness that they were right.
It is nigh impossible to negotiate with another party who think they are absolutely right when in fact they are totally wrong.
Not only was the first FIFA offer completely out of whack but the IFA were not in a 'good place'.
Technically you can say the FAI refused the first compromise, but that would be rigidly simplistic in the extreme.
I'm by no means the most bullish on this issue but I'd argue the first compromise was no compromise at all. It appeared to ask the FAI to deny itself access to a cohort of players they were perfectly entitled to select from for no other reason than peace and quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Like a motley crew of irregulars asking for an unconditional surrender from an organised force who were in a vastly advantageous position.
If this site has not produced a couple of immigration lawyers by now, then its a crying shame.
If the lad wants to come and play for us I would welcome him with open arms. If you and your family had supported Ireland (republic) all your life then it would be a no-brainer for me
I think people get too caught up in the whole "poaching our players" guff, fact is its the player's choice and it has to be respected
If he wants to play for us then great and if he doesn't I hope he turns out to be an excellent player for the North
As in they don't seem to universally share your pessimism....see numerous posts passim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
And in a vein of conciliation as suggested above, in the absence of a UI team, if they want to play for the North, then so be it.
Refer you to the three posters I mentioned previously, in this thread or similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
My "pessimism" merely stems from the belief that I feel the IFA made gross errors of judgement in their quest to see FIFA UPHOLD their own rules - their (the IFA and their legal representatives) lack of understanding not only of FIFA Statutes, but also of the irredentist Citizenship laws of the Republic Of Ireland, was quite staggering. Aside that, I shudder to think the money wasted on the whole charade which could have been better spent.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
By the way, as I have pointed out to you previously, there is a de facto "UI team" - it is that which is operated by the FAI.
I acknowledge that you respect and uphold the right of choice for those players, eligible also to play for Northern Ireland, to play for Northern Ireland.
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Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Erm...
Since the last century, that old irredentist bogey has been well and truly buried, buried in concrete.
That is of course, for people who understand what it means.
an "historic" claim on the territory based on previous possesion of said territory? I certainly amn't offended by the term.
I can understand nationalists being irritated by the term, but as long as the South's constitution says "it is the firm will of the Irish nation...to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland", it'll continue to be used. You can't really win of course, because dropping the clause entirely would prompt howls of anguish from northern nationalists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Except it hasn't, as above. It means literally 'unredeemed' and politically, seeking to annex part of another country (which needn't necessarily have been part of the first country).Quote:
Originally Posted by Geysir
Fine, but if you were-say- a Pole living in Gdansk, Wroclaw, Poznan or Szczecin (all cities now in Poland but which had majority German-speaking and identifying populations for centuries) you might be a tad urinated off if Berlin declared you part of the Fourth Rei...er, Federal Republic of Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul O'Shea
When Saturday Comes appear to have joined the debate as well. Tactical capping is their proposed solution.
Wouldn't say it's being proposed as a solution - seems to be saying it's a bit of a shame but that's the way it'll inevitably go. Fairly fluffy, simplistic piece, but at least it refrains from ranty condescension.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
Terrible article.
The most obvious and simple solution would be for the IFA to read and understand the eligibility statutes.
The IFA is already engaged in tactical capping btw. So are we.
I never suggested the article was any good!Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Given how little attention this subject gets in Britain and how poor the level of understanding is, I just thought it was interesting that this is what the average football fan in Britain will read.