Stadium Updates (All Clubs)

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Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

Wow! That's a big terrace for behind a goals! Great to hear this. Are there drawings for it anywhere?

What will the net increase in capacity be once those existing blocks are removed to make way for it?

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No drawings yet, no.

Not sure what new capacity would be, but probably something around the 6k mark.
There is another phase still to come for the newer stand too, just waiting on money to be released for it.

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Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

What will the net increase in capacity be once those existing blocks are removed to make way for it?

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Losing block A and half of block B will mean they’ll lose about 300-ish seats.
So net increase would be 2200.
Current capacity is 3700, so the new terrace would bring total capacity up to 5900.
When the Mark Farren stand is extended at both ends that would then add another 1300 or so, bringing the total to around 7200.

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Originally Posted by Philosophizer

Losing block A and half of block B will mean they’ll lose about 300-ish seats.
So net increase would be 2200.
Current capacity is 3700, so the new terrace would bring total capacity up to 5900.
When the Mark Farren stand is extended at both ends that would then add another 1300 or so, bringing the total to around 7200.

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Very interesting, thanks.

With that new stand being terracing, the stadium wouldn't meet the requirements for UEFA Category 4 games (min 8,000 seats). So if Derry ever do a Dundalk/Rovers and reach the last qualifying round before the Conference group stages (?), you'll presumably be on the road to Tallaght to fulfil the fixture. Either that or find somewhere to aqueeze another 3,000+ seats into the Brandywell ?

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Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

I would guess it's the frequent/non-stop community usage on both pitches that is the issue, rather than underage teams training there a couple of times a week. Both pitches seem to be rented out/used by the community a lot, so presumably even if the underage teams weren't using it that slot would be rented to someone else instead anyway.

This puts a question mark over the whole model of cluhs installing artifical pitches to raise income by renting them out (and often securing capital grants to install them by portraying them as community hubs).

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I wasn't sure if they allowed use by other community groups/clubs. Larne is a private pitch owned by the club, while Derry is council owned

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Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

Very interesting, thanks.

With that new stand being terracing, the stadium wouldn't meet the requirements for UEFA Category 4 games (min 8,000 seats). So if Derry ever do a Dundalk/Rovers and reach the last qualifying round before the Conference group stages (?), you'll presumably be on the road to Tallaght to fulfil the fixture. Either that or find somewhere to aqueeze another 3,000+ seats into the Brandywell ?

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You're never realistically going to fit 8,000 seats into the space available at the Brandywell without building a two tier stand anyway, and planning permission probably wouldn't allow for that.

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Originally Posted by brendy_éire

No drawings yet, no.

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If this has been put in for planning permission, then there will obviously have to be drawings as part of that.

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

You're never realistically going to fit 8,000 seats into the space available at the Brandywell without building a two tier stand anyway, and planning permission probably wouldn't allow for that.

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Behind the Showgrounds goal could be used, though it would be a squeeze alright.
With the change in UEFA regulations about the use of terracing, can a terrace count towards the 8k capacity, or is is specifically seats?

I think this talk is all premature, but if we were required to change our ground for a European match, I'd hoenstly like us to consider Windsor instead of Tallaght.

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Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

If this has been put in for planning permission, then there will obviously have to be drawings as part of that.

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Yeah, but it's just that they're not up on the planning portal yet. The application will have to be validated and the like before it'll be made public.

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Originally Posted by brendy_éire

Behind the Showgrounds goal could be used, though it would be a squeeze alright.
With the change in UEFA regulations about the use of terracing, can a terrace count towards the 8k capacity, or is is specifically seats?

I think this talk is all premature, but if we were required to change our ground for a European match, I'd hoenstly like us to consider Windsor instead of Tallaght.

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Windsor would be an interesting one :D I think it's much more difficult to use/nominate a ground that's outsde of your jurisdiction than it is one within. It's not impossible, and has obviously happened before (e.g. Shels played Rangers at Tranmere), but I think you need a good reason for it (which in Shes' case was security). The fact that other suitable stadia are available within the FAI's remit - and that we're not talking vast distances here - could well make it difficult to try to play in Windsor.

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Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

Windsor would be an interesting one :D I think it's much more difficult to use/nominate a ground that's outsde of your jurisdiction than it is one within. It's not impossible, and has obviously happened before (e.g. Shels played Rangers at Tranmere), but I think you need a good reason for it (which in Shes' case was security). The fact that other suitable stadia are available within the FAI's remit - and that we're not talking vast distances here - could well make it difficult to try to play in Windsor.

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Dundalk were looking at windsor during the crazy P6 era so it can be done.

Planning Permission being submitted for 2900 capacity stand behind goal in Brandywell. Seems the area where away fans sit to be demolished as part of plan

https://www.derrystrabane.com/ryanmc...ndywellstadium


Will take capacity to 6,242

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Originally Posted by brendy_éire

I think this talk is all premature, but if we were required to change our ground for a European match, I'd hoenstly like us to consider Windsor instead of Tallaght.

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Even if WP was acceptable to both UEFA and DCFC, it might not be available on the match dates, since it could clash with Linfield's European games, and possibly Larne, should they request it.

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Originally Posted by refjohn

Planning Permission being submitted for 2900 capacity stand behind goal in Brandywell. Seems the area where away fans sit to be demolished as part of plan

https://www.derrystrabane.com/ryanmc...ndywellstadium


Will take capacity to 6,242

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Application up on the Planning Portal now.

https://pp2niprsa.blob.core.windows....TzSjtK%2Fu4%3D

That shows the drawings of the new terrace. Also useful as a guide to where the planned Phase 2 of the Mark Darren stand will go, on either side of the existing stand.

The Brandywell pitch has got it's approval from UEFA for the next year.

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Originally Posted by brendy_éire

The Brandywell pitch has got it's approval from UEFA for the next year.

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Presumably that means you'll be stuck with it for at least the 2024 season now then.

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Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

Presumably that means you'll be stuck with it for at least the 2024 season now then.

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Don't know. If we were going to replace it, the off-season is the only option, bar moving back to Maginn Park for a while.
Of course, that would involve moving Institute to somewhere else, which isn't ideal either, but easier to deal with, you'd imagine. They played in Limavady before.

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Originally Posted by brendy_éire

Don't know. If we were going to replace it, the off-season is the only option, bar moving back to Maginn Park for a while.
Of course, that would involve moving Institute to somewhere else, which isn't ideal either, but easier to deal with, you'd imagine. They played in Limavady before.

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Is your problem not more that the local city council don't want to and can't afford to change the pitch? So this gives them an excuse to leave it in-situ for at least another season?

There was a story in the local press last offseason about O'Doherty being willing to fund the changeover to grass.

Any change over of grass would take longer than just the off season. You'd expect Derry would have to play half a season at Maginn again to be able to put a grass surface down in the Brandywell again.

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Originally Posted by cláirseach

There was a story in the local press last offseason about O'Doherty being willing to fund the changeover to grass.

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I think it's also about how much money the council makes by renting out the pitch, as well as how much it would cost them to replace it. Would O'Doherty want the pitch changed that badly that he'd cover the lost annual income from grass as well?