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"...quite simply they had nothing but aspirations..." Anybody know the name of any club of whom the same couldn't be said. Since when were aspirations a crime. The whole bloody LOI consists of clubs with 'nothing but aspirations'.
What else have they got. And don't say history...that's what St James's Gate, Cork Celtic and Transport had in spades...and look where it got them.
The Fingal-bashing is quite frankly pathetic. Sure, they don't have much history behind them, and they were reliant on cash input from one man, but there's not exactly the same special level of hatred reserved for Wexford Youths.
As for the fanbase, UCD seem to manage fine with small attendances, and nobody is pleasuring themselves while imagining Salthill Devon running into financial trouble. Also, Lusk is a major catchment area if the club ever manage to get to there.
I, for one, wish Sporting Fingal FC the best, and hope that they can put together a sensible budget and reasonable team for next season to compensate for the loss of income due to Gannon pulling out.
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Originally Posted by peadar1987
When sugar-daddy funded entities enter the lague, it puts pressure on supporter funded clubs to increase spending to match their new rivals. Clubs with a histories going back a hundred years can self-destruct in such an event.
Entities like Fingal offer nothing to the league except problems.
Apart from some inter-Dublin squabbling on this thread, I think recognition of this danger forms the basis of the lack of goodwill towards them.
The strategy of Wexford Youths was to invest heavily in the infrastructure of the club and in youth development in order to create a base for the future. On the other hand, Fingal have followed the nomadic Dublin City model of pumping funds into the wages of the first team squad while neglecting to create a home for themselves. You cannot compare those two strategies. They're polar opposites.
But the level of spending from Fingal doesn't come close to the arms race between the likes of Cork, Shels and Bohs. It also has done nowhere near the same amount of damage to the league, and yet again, very few people without hooped jerseys are on the Bohs thread hoping the club go out of existence.
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with Fingal's financial or footballing strategy, and I think that unless they start cutting the wage bill and investing more significantly in expanding their fanbase, they will go to the wall, but I'm not as happy as some people on here seem to be about that prospect
It would be interesting to compare the non-supporter funded spending of Fingal to that of the other clubs you mention.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
nobody I dont think takes any pleasure in seeing a club fold, I think the point most posters are making is this situation was fortold on day one as an accident waiting to happen. and now that its come to pass it gives the naysayers in the media another chance to rip the crap out of our league
For some its a hatred thing, others its genuine concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
I take certain points made by yourself and other posters but if other clubs increase their spending because the likes of fingal have money then thats not our fault, its the other clubs. We only spent the money we had unlike other clubs in the league. We no longer seem to have that money so if we now carry on as if we still have that cash and make promises we cant keep, dont pay wages and renege on contracts then we are doing things completely wrong and deserve any critique thrown at us but that hasnt happened as of yet and I will be the first one to hold my hand up if it does happen.
There has been a lot iv wanted to say lately but im going to keep it to myself for now.
Personally I hope no teams go out of business as the league needs a sustained period of stability.
What accident has come to pass.? Having a reduced budget is not an accident now is it and Fingal hasnt given any media a reason to rip the crap out of the league. There is a tad bit of resentment from some fans of the smaller teams or those on a small budget towards the budget we had and our style of play which was complemented in the media often.Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
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Originally Posted by White Horse
QUOTE=White Horse;1436523]Is it hatred for Fingal or for the danger they pose to the league?
When sugar-daddy funded entities enter the lague, it puts pressure on supporter funded clubs to increase spending to match their new rivals. Clubs with a histories going back a hundred years can self-destruct in such an event.
Entities like Fingal offer nothing to the league except problems.
Apart from some inter-Dublin squabbling on this thread, I think recognition of this danger forms the basis of the lack of goodwill towards them.[/QUOTE]
What Danger? A danger to a clubs league position?
Clubs from the start always try and improve each season depending on the money they have and the players available to them and what way they want to use that money. I cant see a club trying to seek the same budget as say Fingal last year or Shells and cork and bohs etc before as that would be just silly .
Clubs have self destruct before Fingal came on the scene and its like saying the probs at Bohs and galway etc are down to Fingal.
I disagree, Fingal has brought in fresh air to league which was stagnatting between the same few teams. It has brought in more fans to the league no matter how many that is who didnt follow any other league team before .
The only danger Fingal pose is to the league postitions and your clubs chances of winning ( by your club i mean any league club ) which i believe is the key point in many of the hatred towards Fingal. Now dont get me wrong, a lot of posters have made perfect sense in their views regarding Fingal and the league etc and i for one respect those views and take them on board.
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Dude, as long as you've decided to stay, could you try to learn how to quote a bloody post correctly? It's a nuisance trying to read through this sort of crap:
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Dear God, Aberdonian Stu's gotten to you too! :eek:Quote:
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People that can't quote properly, or throw up rags of posts should be removed from the forum.Quote:
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You'll be the first one to hold your hand up if the club does fold/go bankruptcy? You deserve critique if it does? Well fair play to you. Fair play to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamper.sffc
If Fingal don't have that money they had, and carry on as if they still have that cash and make promises they cant keep, don't pay wages and renege on contracts and are doing things completely wrong, knowing what Cork, Derry, Shelbourne, and now Bohemians did they should be dissolved on the spot.
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Thats begs the question how ye could have made a loss of 75K in a Cup winning and promotion sucessful season? (open to correction on that btw)Quote:
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Agreed, whatever the ruling is should be applied. Wouldnt have an argument on that one.
Bankruptcy isn't decided by popularity, it's decided by whether you build up debts you can't pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
That's the lesson the league needs to learn.
How did UCD get an opportunity to join the league in the first place? A Cork club went bust for the umpteenth and not the last time. Thirty one years in LOI senior football and counting. There's a lot less people calling for our heads than there were five or so years ago. You've had as many reincarnations that the Dalai Lama, instead of baying for our blood you might take a few lessons from us in sustainability for your latest go.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
Its a reflection of the league, and not UCD, that they've been in the premier division more often than not.
If the "big clubs" can't get past a club with no money and no mans, whats the point in being a "big club"?
I genuinely mean no disrespect to UCD when I say if the rest of the clubs got their act together they'd have no place in a thriving premier division. But as long as other clubs fail, they'll be there.
I think UCD fans have said that as often as anyone else on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge