Get a grip ealing. have you now humour in you at allQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
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Get a grip ealing. have you now humour in you at allQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
my God!!! you 6 county boys really are passionate about holding onto stuff aren't ye..............Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Er, did I miss the humour when galwayhoop posted the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
"Did I say to call it the irish League??? Or did I say to rebrand competitions different names, in order to recognise sponsors etc, as in "The Boylesports Irish Premier League". There is no conflict there as the BIPL or BSIPL would just be a seperately named competition within the LoI. There would be no conflict with the Irish League of which the JJB Premiership is a part of."
Seemed like a perfectly serious (if misplaced) suggestion by gh to me...
Or what would you say if I suggested calling the IFA's new League the "JJB League of Ireland" (or "JJB Premier League of Ireland")?
It seems to me that there are a few posters on this Board who show little or no respect for their neighbour's footballing history and heritage, in a way which is not replicated in the other direction.
Well, if we didn't have quite such "acquisitive" or disrespectful* neighbours, we could maybe be a bit more relaxed about these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
* - "Disrespectful" as in "six counties", perhaps? :rolleyes:
...thought they already sponsored the Spanish league?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pauro 76
You know what I have always called it, irrespective of sponsor? The League, simple as that.
I know, I know, havr to brand it for non-believers, but I always called it The League, and will continue to do so, wheter it is eircom, Bord Gais or Pat Grace sponsoring the bloody thing
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Originally Posted by EalingGreen
How is "6 counties" disrespectful? I hear the ROI being referred to the 26 counties all the time
The faux-outrage. 'Beggar' is alright, yeah? Mopey hypocrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
"Boyle sports Irish premier league" has a decent ring to it!
Duh! Referring to the "26 counties" is just the other side of the same (disrespectful) coin.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
The correct name is "Northern Ireland" (both area and football team), with "NI" being a lot quicker to type than the various other titles we are often accorded.
Hardly outrage (faux or vrai), more irritation, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by eelmonster
As for "Beggar", there is a world of difference between engaging in banter with a rival set of fans in a footballing context, and disrespecting them personally in a social setting.
For example, when NI played in Scotland last week, I happily joined in the chants ("Small part of England" etc) aimed in their direction and they reciprocated equally keenly.
But before and after in the pub and on the trains etc, we were each careful not to say anything which would bring down the atmosphere and possibly cause offence, so that everyone had a great time in each others company.
Which is why you can slag off me, our players, team, manager, fans etc, but I'd rather you showed a wee bit of respect for our country, history, property etc.
I know youse Derry Wans are just dying to get back into the real "Irish Premier League", but sorry, that's not the way to go about it! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
"Irish League" and "Irish Premier League" both belong to the Irish Football Association and they're aren't up for sale.
That's quite absurd, I don't believe I've disrespected NI's history, property or etc once. Though I agree, such respect should be afforded, which is why I fail to understand why you and a section of your supporters continue to employ the term 'beggars' to describe our slightly larger country. I'm sure it's of little consequence that you're insulting - knowingly or unknowingly (however, as you're clearly a well-read chap, you'll know of the Punch origins of its usage) - the entire Catholic population of Northern Ireland. But, sure, it's just harmless banter, so it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
a football match is a social setting. regardless of where you take your bigotry its unwanted.
are you sure about that?*Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
i agree 100% about "Irish League" and that is old ground. Incidently it irks me when teams like St. Patricks, Shamrock and Drog-e-da are refered to as the Irish League on Sky and Setanta Sports News.
However, I don't know about owning the rights to a competition called the Irish Premier League. Your own premier competition is called the Premiership and the English don't have a monopoly on that.
As yours is The Irish League JJB Premiership aka "The JJB Premiership" then there is no legal impediment to ours hypothetically being called the League of Ireland Boylesports Irish Premier League aka "The Boylesports Irish Premier League".
Just because your league is called the Irish League that does not give you a monopoly over using the name Irish. Similarly our league title does not give us the exclusive rights to use the name Ireland. Although the island is subject to partition we both can equally claim right to being Irish and from Ireland.
However your association is not adverse to getting all wrapped up in legal battles so probably wouldn't be plain sailing - still it's a swanky name if I don't mind saying so myself.
* please refrain from quoting Wiki to back up arguements
I like to think I'm reasonably well educated and literate, but I haven't got the faintest idea what you're referring to (in bold). Then again, I've never even read "Punch", even in the Doctor's Waiting Room (In fact, does it even exist?)Quote:
Originally Posted by eelmonster
Afaik, the term "Beggars" was applied to the ROI team at (or maybe soon after?) Big Jack's time in charge, when by exploiting the Granny Rule to the full, the ROI was "begging" players from all over to play for them. (You know, "Beg, Steal or Borrow"?, that sort of thing)
As it happens, I have a good mate who's Catholic, member of the same NI Supporters club as me and who I go to matches with. I'm sure I've heard him use the term "Beggar", but even if he hasn't, he never turns a hair when people use it in his company, or on websites etc.
So if you're implying that this derives from some gratuitously insulting Punch article some time back, then you're way off the mark. Just like e.g. those idiots who castigate the IFA for playing at a stadium named after the Royal Family, when the Royal Family didn't change their name to Windsor until 1917 - 12 years after Windsor Park was opened...:rolleyes:
Bizarre.
P.S. Any idea which ROI fan used the term "Beggars" on this site a wee while back? I'll give you a clue:
Forum: Ireland 08/11/2007, 1:16 AM
Eligibility proposal
Posted By eelmonster
Vote early, vote often - beggars of the world...
Vote early, vote often - beggars of the world unite:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm
Ring any bells, EM? :rolleyes:
I agree bigotry is unacceptable in any setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by the-blue-harp
But someone shouting "Bigot" any time they're upset by a comment doesn't automatically make that comment bigoted.
An organisation doesn't lose the right to intellectual property just because they are not currently using it. It would be confusing, misleading and clearly open to challenge (as well as being downright cheeky) if the FAI were to attempt to appropriate the names "Irish League" or "Irish Premier League" for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
Just like it would if the IFA were to seek to use the terms "League of Ireland" or "Premier League of Ireland" for their own purposes.
I'm sure this latter is not something which would ever occur to anyone in the IFA or NI, so why does anyone in the FAI or ROI consider they can get away with the former?
It's a simple matter of mutual respect.
P.S. Unless it is breaking some forum rule :confused:, I'll quote from Wiki if I consider it credibly backs up my case, thanks very much.
P.P.S. How did you know I was quoting from Wiki btw? Might it not be because you were also using it, too? ;)
P.P.P.S. At least they know how to spell "argument" on Wikipedia ;)
What are you hoping to achieve EG? This thread isn't about the Irish League - it's obvious to me (and it should be to you) that whoever the new sponsor is that they will dictate the naming of the league to maximise their brand name. Unless the words "Ireland" or "Irish" is included in their brand name, every sponsor would seek the naming of the league to fully highlight and exploit their brand name - as in "the Eircom League", "the Eircom Premier Division" and "the Eircom First Division". Unless "Ireland" or "Irish" is part of their brand name, why would any sponsor seek to include extra text in the naming of the league?
As for you persistant quoting of wikipedia and google search results, maybe you could quote the opening sentence of the paragraph(s) you wish to highlight and add a link for the rest. It makes it easier for the reader to skim the waffle that way. ;)
Following the acquisition of a new sponsor, posters have been speculating on what name the new League might have. A couple or three have suggested names which are imo inappropriate, since they presume the right to use another organisation's titles, in a way which is misleading, confusing and disrespectful (as well as legally questionable).Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
That is the point I am seeking to make ("achieve")
In this entire thread, I have resorted to Wiki twice (#34 and #69), citing the complete source exactly as you suggest in #69.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
In both cases, my contribution/excerpt was a mere 4 lines long.
I have only used Google to navigate quickly to other reference sites (e.g. www.fai.ie or www.irishfa.com)
Please tell me where in this thread you think I have been "persistantly" [sic] quoting wiki or google. Or in which posts I have quoted more than a paragraph, or required readers to "skim waffle" etc. :rolleyes:
You should be able to realise when people are taking the mick.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
When you copy and paste from somewhere else you don't use your little winks such as :rolleyes: and ;). When do come along with something that's "original" you always add your winks as if to give yourself a pat on the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
"Legally Questionable", Peas-and-Rice man it's an internet forum what was just discussing the merits of a new sponsorship deal for the league. It wasn't a cue to run to defend the virtue of Northern Irish Football. A serious lack of humour is on display here.
Galway Hoop, for example, was one of those who made such suggestions and he was most certainly serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Really? Give me one example from this thread, then. It should be easy enough; after all, you accused me of doing so "persistantly" in your last post...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
P.S. Still waiting on some examples of "waffle" from my posts, or cases where I failed merely to quote the opening para from wiki etc, then left the link, for readers to browse for themselves.
I merely pointed something out which was misplaced. No-one has been able to refute what I actually posted, yet few have been prepared to acknowledge that I might actually have a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by amaccann
Instead, a few individuals have resorted to "playing the man", rather than the "ball" (e.g. ifk101 accusing me of "persistant waffle", or abusing quoting conventions, or eelmonster spouting crap about bigotry etc)
I'm not angry, much less "outraged" (as one poster claimed), I'm merely irritated at having to defend myself from increasingly ad hominem replies to my posts, from people who fail to address the actual issues.
In fact (as you well know), that's a response to the continued use of 'beggar', 'tarmacing' and variations thereon in a thread which highlighted the now deleted BBC poll on yourweecountry - your little rolling eyes icon couldn't detect the sarcasm, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
If you say so. It's commonly known in this part of Ireland that the term has been employed by sectarian xenophobes since, at least, the Catholic Relief Act of 1829 (I know Big Jack's been around a while, but surely not that long). Daniel O'Connell, who campaigned for the repeal of the remaining Penal Laws, was known variously as The Liberator, or The Emancipator or, in certain quarters, The King of the Beggars. As a matter of fact, the only time I've ever heard the term used outside of this context has been by Northern Ireland supporters describing (in this instance) the ROI.Quote:
I like to think I'm reasonably well educated and literate, but I haven't got the faintest idea what you're referring to (in bold). Then again, I've never even read "Punch", even in the Doctor's Waiting Room (In fact, does it even exist?)
Afaik, the term "Beggars" was applied to the ROI team at (or maybe soon after?) Big Jack's time in charge, when by exploiting the Granny Rule to the full, the ROI was "begging" players from all over to play for them. (You know, "Beg, Steal or Borrow"?, that sort of thing)
Or are you suggesting that it's just the team and the FAI who are the target of the insult. In which case, you'll have no cause to complain when a section of the ROI support use similarly derogatory language to describe the NI team and the IFA, IIRC (and by IIRC, I mean I'm making this up), the use of such terminology only really came about after Big Billy (Billy Boys) Bingham encouraged his supporters at Windsor to sing "The Sash" with gusto in 1993. But who in their right mind (with the exception of some über-republican bigot's far right mind) would? However, and this is the bit I can't fathom, you and seemingly moderate NI supporters (even your Catholic mate) see nothing wrong with describing us (the team, our support, our country) as 'beggars'. I'm not even going to ask you to justify the 'tarmac' references.
Apologies to other posters for taking this way off topic. I'd be more than happy to continue this discussion by pm.
There's nothing to refute EG. The gospel of wikipedia has spoken.
This issue at hand is Boyle Sports sponsorship deal for League of Ireland football - please respect that. Your insistance on crusading the cause of NI football related matters is monotonous waffle.
As I pointed out to you any sponsor coming in will seek to maximise exposure for their brand name. So your prize asset of the name "Irish League" is not in danger.
I'm interested in knowing exactly the ins and outs of what the Boyle Sports sponsorship deal for League of Ireland football entails. That's what I was expecting to read about in a thread titled "Boylesports Sponsorship". I wasn't expecting to read wikipedia quotes about the Irish League.
Keep on topic.
Jesus wept. I cant believe ive just waded through the last 2 or 3 pages of knobrot! Its not going to happen. It won't be the Boylesports league of anything! It certainly wont be the Irish league in any form of naming either so why all the guff?
I can see us having 3 or 4 sponsors ala the champions league and that Gaelic thingy and not having a title sponsor at all next season.
Excellent word. Completely apt too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan
When I've time I'll remove all the guff, but for now, everyone just drop it
Anything non sponsor related gets binned...
This is what you originally posted:Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
"As for you persistant quoting of wikipedia and google search results, maybe you could quote the opening sentence of the paragraph(s) you wish to highlight and add a link for the rest. It makes it easier for the reader to skim the waffle that way."
I asked you for some examples. You have failed to come up with any.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Any dimwit can go on and change the text. Happened numerous times in the past and will continue to do so in the future. It isn't generally accepted as fact - especially on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
How did I know… I had a team of monkeys working around the clock on it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
PS – Not being known for your sense of humour or ability to digest sarcasm I actually just read the following post from you:
You might notice the link to a website called Wikipedia……….Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
You are really winning here son when you are finishing me off with the old slam dunk that is a spelling error……Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I sometimes refer to Wiki, sometimes not. When I do, I sometimes use it, sometimes not. When I do use it, I cite it.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
It is not always reliable, but it is not always unreliable. If, in my opinion, the latter applies, then I use it. Talking of which, would you actually like to dispute what I actually quoted from Wiki, or do you just prefer to make facetious remarks?
And when expressing an opinion, do you not use your own judgement as to its credibility and reliability etc? Or do you just leave that to your team of monkeys? :rolleyes:
sometimes i use my monkeys, sometimes not, sometimes i trust them, sometimes not..... yawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
so what do you think about boylesports becoming a sponsor of the league or as usual do you have no opinion but instead surf the various topics for one to try and bring off topic and around to some type of north/south debate???
Aside from my general reservation over associating football with gambling (e.g. i dislike that my own club Spurs, is sponsored by Mansion), I daresay it is a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
But not being too familiar with the individual circumstances of Boylesports, LOI etc, I did not feel qualified to comment on this topic, so merely browsed.
Until you suggested some new names which were not yours/FAI's to use. Not only that, the fact that you could suggest them at all indicates either ignorance of the history of football throughout Ireland, or a blithe and disrespectful attitude to your footballing neighbours.
Whichever it is, I am entirely entitled to point this out. The fact that your only response has been to have a pop at me rather than my argument (and in a particularly facetious manner at that), merely vindicates me in the point I am making.
seriously pal, move along here. we had enough of you in previous threads and no-one is taking to your bait. find a singles website for the lonely and bitter or some such place for your ramblings.....Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
The fact that you should redirect me to a section entitled "Irish League" is richly ironic - and clearly lost on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
Ah well, I can no longer get irritated by someone who cannot be taken seriously any more. Thanks, gh, you've given me the best laugh I'll have all day! :D
AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!
Wont someone please think of THE CHILDREEN and end this madness?