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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever http://foot.ie/inc/img/buttons/viewpost.gif
Why do you think that? I don't. Would be glad to see the back of your over arrogant supporters
**** off
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QED really . . .
It's the smelly toilets in the Horse Shoe that I blame for this whole mess. And have they sorted that hand drier out yet? Flippin lethal that was.
Just because 100 odd people attended does not mean much. The meeting was a short notice supporters club meeting with Foras Q & A. Many people would already be aware of the issues. No need to attend the meeting to join Foras.
The Rovers 400 club had a big advantage that they were already well established.
FAI STATEMENT ON CORK CITY FC
Following Arkaga’s regrettable decision to renege on its written undertaking to guarantee all liabilities arising at Cork City Investment FC Ltd until January 2009, the club entered into examinership on August 18. The FAI has already expressed its displeasure at Arkaga’s actions which have placed the club in the difficult position it currently finds itself.
The FAI met this morning with the Examiner appointed to Cork City Investment FC Ltd. He expressed his desire for a quick decision from Licensing regarding a sanction for Cork City FC as it would make it more desirable for the investors currently interested in the club to proceed with their intentions.
A meeting of the Independent Club Licensing committee was convened tonight and they deducted 10 points from Cork City FC for being involved in an examinership process as per section 3.1.2 of the club licensing manual. This sanction is effective immediately. The Committee was keen to express that it is imperative for all clubs to adhere to sound financial policies.
Now that the club has entered into examinership, the FAI has provided the examiner with a letter stating that the FAI will support the club during the examinership process as it strives to regain sound financial footing.
The committee could levy any sanction they wanted.
Arkaga haven't lived up to the commitments they gave for the season on behalf of the club so some points deduction is fair enough I suppose.
The FAI Club Licensing Committee has the power to withdraw any licence or apply any sanction
during a season if the Licensee:
o no longer satisfies any single criteria for issuing the licence;
o violates any of its obligations, duties, confirmations or undertakings under this
Manual, Contract or Confidentiality Agreement
o Is involved in a bankruptcy, receivership, examinership or liquidation process, or
is struck off the Companies' Register
CCFC got off lightly here I feel.
Thank goodness for that.
I'd visions of Galway United getting a lifeline!!
****ing joke. 10 points?? **** that. The FAI make it up as they go along. Can't believe we were almost flung out of the league for something similar yet Cork get off with a slap on the wrist.
I thought it was fair to be honest. I was hoping it would be 6 points but we'll take it on the chin and move on.
I actually agree with you to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
I think we got off very lightly BUT that's what happens when there are no clear guidelines as to punishments. They can just make it up as they go along.
I wouldnt presume this is the end of it though. There's still a matter of getting a license for next year which is where yerselves fell down.
im a bit suprised with the punishment .. its interestin whats goin to happen to next season. will cork city get their top flight licence???
The new owners after the end of the examinership, if there are any, will have to apply for the licence on the same basis as all other clubsQuote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
Is the fixed punishment in the Football League for going into receivership 10 points deduction? Or is it 15?
Perhaps this is the basis for City's deduction
Im surprised it happened so fast, but the examiner is right. We needed to know one way or anotherQuote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
Id imagine it depends who's in charge. If we havent paid the debts then I expect not. If Arkaga are still around then I expect not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
But if we manage to clear the debts or set up payment schemes, and have someone new in charge, be that the fans, or a mixture of Foras and investors then maybe.
Least of our worries tbh. At this stage Id be delighted to be guaranteed first division football next season
Complete joke of a punishment, the FAI are a joke, First galway get fined €300 for racist comments made by some "fans" of theirs. Shels nearly get thrown outta the league for a very similiar situatuion as Cork and Cork get a point deduction and a slap on the wrist. There getting worse and worse the FAI.
I'm glad someone agrees with me. I'm fuming about this decision. I've no desire to see Cork disappear but where is the consistency. The FAI needed to deduct all your points to insure you were relegated. Now, you've time to clear your debts before the licensing process begins and you could come out of this with no material punishment. RidiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by micls
Relevance?Quote:
Originally Posted by ARooney28
Shels did not get thrown out of the league. Shels didnt get a license in 2007, its very possible that we wont get one in 2009. The situations are very different because of the timing. Had Shels imploded sooner the FAI may have done the same thing. We simply don't knowQuote:
Originally Posted by ARooney28
Exactly. Shels kept their title for that season but could not get a Premier or European licence the following season. Did Shels go into Examinership? They failed to pay players wages for a lot longer than 1 week.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Nope, we didn't go into Examinership. Remember we have assets :)
You do? :eek: :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
Slow down, deep breaths, don't go gettin youself all worked up like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ARooney28
GUFC were fined because "A" scumbag (ie 1 scumbag) made a racist comment. Read the title of the thread before you post, nothing to do with this discussion.
Cork got deducted ten (ie 10) points. Not "a point deduction".
Yourself & sligofan4ever in the St Pat's vs Elfs thread really on the ball tonight. Even for Sligwegians thats shocking.;)
Originally Posted by sligofan4ever
3-2 aggregate so far
1st leg Elfs 2-2 Pats (pats have 2 goals which means its really 4-2)
2nd leg St.Pats 0-1 Elfs (elfs have 1 away goal which means 4-4 and could to extra time)
If a club collects enough asterixes can they be used as Ninja stars at a later date?
You get to put them on your jersey like for League wins. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce
Absolutely scandalous decision from the FAI, but hardly surprising. Where is the consistency? They hung Shels out to dry and rightly relegated them and since then have come riding to the rescue of Waterford and Limerick and now give Cork a small slap on the wrist. Its no wonder Shels fans are giving out.
Be interesting to see what happens when it happens next to either Bohs, Drogheda or Pats.
[How on earth can Cork keep their licence?
They got the dame thing on the basis of a commitment from the club owners that wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. Therefore they got the licence under false portentous and they should loss it. End of.
Todays decision mades the whole set-up a laughing stock.
Where can I buy those Liverpool shares?
there not going to **** cork out of the league in the middle of the season.if things aint patched up by the end of the season they will more than likely get the shels treatment.while i wouldnt be a big cork fan the league needs a team from cork city in it and i hope it gets sorted to some degree where the club is still around.best of luck with it lads
Shels gave up that European place afaik as they would not have a team to enter it??Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Em, when did they come riding to the rescue of Waterford? And have a proper think about it this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyjoe
On the night we should be celebrating a great result for the league, we're first presented with league damaging news. In the morning, the broadsheets will be enjoying the opportunity to talk of some English team rumoured to be spending £Xmillion on a mediocre left back, Ronaldo's typical breakfast cereal, the price of Guinness in the Irish pub in Mainz, and their token LOI coverage will be focussed on Cork being trouble. Nice.
Cork City are still alive to the end of the season, by the looks of things. I for one am glad. Whatever about any guff about the league needing a strong Cork team, the league does not need another team to collapse midseason. Nor does it need some of its more eloquent and informed younger fans (sadly I do mean us) to be tearing strips off each other over the matter. Reading this thread has been like watching players on the same team starting to throw punches at one another after conceding a soft goal.
Like it or not, dislike the other teams or not, if the LOI has a bad rep, are teams do too by association. I want to see the Blues destroy everyone on the field of play week in week out and genuinely have little interest in the results of teams that are more than two or three places above or below us. However, in cases like this, though Cork are out of my field of vision (for this season anyway), this matters. The reputation of the league, and as a result, WUFC, is at stake.
While Arkaga may be sh!tehawks of the first degree, laughing at Cork fans for being glad that some crowd came along and promised to make sure everything was good is naive on the part of all fans of LOI teams, except perhaps Wexford (thanks to one man's missionary work and funding) and Monaghan (a team funded by its own bar). We at Waterford had our troubles season after season the past few years (dunno about the FAI bailing us out and I wouldn't say that Lims really got saved as much as an extension on a loan of trust). Lims folded and reformed in a matter of weeks. Shels fans got the thin end of the wedge, but sadly the management of the club had earned it. Dublin City died a horrible sudden death while doing OK in the Premier Division. Have people forgotten that one of the better run clubs in the country, ambition free Kilkenny sank at the beginning of the year?
Who has lost out in all these situations. Not the Boards of Directors, for the most part, thanks to laws put in to protect companies. Not even so much the players, almost all players cut loose who were full time were back in employment at the next transfer window, many of the better part-timers found their way back into the league somewhere before too long. Certainly not the media - bad news sells papers. Nope, as usual, the fans suffer. And what is happening to Cork fans right now was felt by us a few months back (and probably again by the end of the season), by Kilkenny at the season's start, by Lims ans Shels over Christmas 2006, Rovers before then, the list continues.
Ultimately the league does not need a strong Cork team any more than a strong Waterford team or a strong Limerick team or a strong Derry team. Many of us would like that, but what the league needs most are strong teams, from as many different towns and cities as possible. However Cork needs a strong league team, and Cork's fans, who are no better than any others, whatever they may say, nor any worse, whatever we may chant, deserve better than this awfulness. And we need to be aware that, with very few exceptions, it could happen us yet. To take a line from a good entertaining, if patchy novel, "Brother, before you take the splinter from my eye, attend the plank in your own".
Cue a horde of replies saying how wonderful their club is, how they are not guilty, or asking what would I know about any of this.
Swap divisions with ya;)Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Very good post. Thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
Guarantee me a club next year and I would in a heartbeat
The London Branch of the Dublin Blues Supporters Club is opening up a Cork office this weekend! Find me on Patrick's Hill at the cycling on SUnday, and I can get you approved in a matter of seconds. It might be a different club, but it is a club;)Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Tin hat on here but I feel the FAI made the correct decision.
Fans of the club should be taken into consideration, and given the fact that there is much turmoil still to come , a 10 point deduction is enough.
I can obviously understand why fans of other clubs are angry at the lack of consistency.
Actually the penalty is a reasonably fair one. Its the standard penalty for clubs in england who enter administration (Examinerhsip isnt the same but its similar).Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
Shels repeatedly didnt pay players, built up debts of millions, far more then Cork and were spending far more money in a reckless manner. Shels had also faced several winding-up orders from the revenue commissioners.
Im surprised the FAI have taken a decision now. I thought they might wait until the process is complete before making a judgement. I had expected Cork to be relegated at the end of the season because I thought the FAI would want to make an example of one of the bigger clubs as a warning to the rest of the league.
The FAI made their decision as the examiner advised that while punishment/sanction where looming in Cork it may deter potential investorsQuote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
because they follow european standards by deducting points for a team going into examinership/administration. 10 points over a 33 game season is a tough penaltyQuote:
Originally Posted by SMorgan
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Originally Posted by pete
The nearest comparable situation in our league was Rovers, and they got a points deduction. And even then, they didn't get any sanctions for going into examinership.
Remember that Shels weren't punished for their indiscretions that season (being allowed keep the league'n'all), they were refused a premier license for the next. Cork still have to apply for that license, so they may end up in division one.
As it stands, 10 points is an appropriate sanction.
Ten points seems fair to me too. It gives the club a chance to get it's house in order before the end of the season, if a new investor comes in and covers the losses they can get back within the other licensing criteria and qualify for a new premier license next season. Hopefully the supporters can buy into the club enough to have a major say in it's future direction.
How many times has this been discussed on here? We own the lease to Tolka. And have already sold it. For 20 million plus. And there's a sizeable sum left.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
How much exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
Do you have immediate access to it?
A ten point deduction is an insult to all the clubs playing by the rules and keeping their finances in order. Cork City's Premier Licence should have been withdrawn and they should have been relegated.
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