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I always liked Healy. I didn't get to see too much of him, but I thought he was just unlucky with injuries and always looked a good prospect. Also, I'm not Morrison's biggest fan, but I think it's also very harsh to include him in our worst 11 since 1980. For example, Doherty has not been as good for us (though I wouldn't include him in a worst 11 either).Quote:
Originally Posted by BigmanCas
Morrison shouldnt be anywhere near that listQuote:
Originally Posted by BigmanCas
Yes :) Although he wasn't the worst left sided midfielder we had obviously he is well behind Duff, Sheedy and Galvin who were the other regulars going back 20-30 years. He was the Kilbane of his day. Good left back but remember he lost out to David Burrows at Liverpool, decent center back in his twilight years but never a top notch midfielder. Limited and played with passion, but yes I am kicking him while he is down :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Morbo
Yes did you? Morris couldn't cross to save his granny's life.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
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Originally Posted by DeNiro
John O'Shea has just played in the CL 1/4 Final.... You would really pick Curtis Fleming a nice guy that is... but you cant be a serious football person
Fleming's a legend at Boro, when Robson took over, he switched Fleming to the opposite flank and he played just as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
George Best never played in the world cup so he can't be world class...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
Scandalous comments by some here. Bonnar the worst keeper?
He played indeed, after he was brought on. Which means he wasn't good enough in the first place. Fleming, who I saw in nearly all in his Irish appearances, was a good player. Solid and didn't turn his back on the ball when the opposition had frees if I remember correctly.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
Was that in the team that was relegatedQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Bonner was shocking at times for Ireland.... bottled in 3 massive games...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
And yet was deemed better than all competition for a decade and a halfQuote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
And the team that was promoted. Robson brought in a whole new squad of players with the millions he had to play with, and Fleming was one of the few that survived the cullQuote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
If Healy was as bad as he is now then Id have him in the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
Well, its 3 arbitrary things that sprung immediately to mind in addition to his performances against Holland away in 2000 and his goal against the Dutch in 2001.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
If you remember Macedonia as well - you'll be aware that the match he scored in was Macedonia at home. The kicking incident occurred against Macedonia away. An entirely different match.
This thread is not titled "The worst Ireland players to have amassed 50 caps or more".
Unfortunately this doesn't change the fact that he's pure drivel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
Did i say it was the same game... the mere fact we are mentioning so few incidents backs up the feeling he was overrated . over used and was in fact basically a footballing gypo who to be honest would have rather played for EnglandQuote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
Not bad enough to feature in a worst Irish 11 since 1980.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
So would Townsend but you still managed to find a place on your bench for your best XI so I don't see why you are using that as a reason to discredit McAteerQuote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
Andy Townsend played with courage , honour and integrity , Can any of these be applied to the second rate midfielderQuote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
McAteer isn't amongst the best players ever to wear the green, but he played with heart, and scored probably the most famous Irish goal in the last 10 years. If nothing else, he was passionate about playing for Ireland, something which most posters seem to think is lacking from the recent squads. There are certainly worse players to have played right wing for Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I disagree about his passion... I sadly saw very little of that from him... Only a passion for the lifestyle . As the for the most famous goal.... Robbie Keane v Germany could battle for it but his goal against Holland was indeed a great moment in an otherwise very average stint in the Irish jersey.
Maybe I am being a tad hash on Trigger... but he strikes me as the start of the problems we currently half with our team....
Flash . Lack class and played for themselves not the country.... loads more like him..
He was a decent player for Ireland and was clearly committed to playing for the team. Again, McGoldrik and Morris were decent players. Not great but nowhere near a worst XI.
I'd have Mcgoldrick in there any day-he was utter muck-did nothing for us. the ultimate accolade has to go to John O Shea right now though, and to think he could go on and get 70+caps:eek:
so what. how many of our full back s since have been good crossers? harte maybe, irwin.... thats about it. his prime responsibility was to defend and he was more than decent defender. how anyone can include any regular player (morris, bonner etc) that played in euro 88 and wc 90 is beyond words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
yaaawwnnnnQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Graham Kavanagh ... a poor mans Lee Carsley
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Originally Posted by jbyrne
Packie lived of the display v England.... in Orlando and Poznan and Rome.. he cost us.. Big players play in Big games
He Didn't ...
Except against England. :confused:
Which display against England - 88 or 90? Because he was fantastic in both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
He didn't go from majestic against Italy to rubbish against Holland in 2 weeks!
Most people attribute the draw in Poznan to David O'Leary's insistence on trying to play the ball out of defence instead of just clearing his lines
As for Rome, in case you don't remember, he saved the initial shot (from Donadoni IIRC) and wasn't able to get back up in time to save Schillachi's goal
Bonner made some mistakes, but won us other games. Just like any keeper. He couldn't possibly be part of a 'worst 11'.
People must also remember that under Charlton, he was our main playmaker, with long accurate passes to our frontmen. Quinn's goal against Holland in 1990 was from a defence-splitting Bonner pass.
lets me see
1/ Liam Miller
2/ Liam Miller
3/ Liam Miller
2/ Liam Miller
4/ Liam Miller
5/ Liam Miller
6/ Liam Miller
7/ Liam Miller
8/ Liam Miller
9/ Liam Miller
10/Liam Miller
11/Liam Miller
Do you want me to name the subs ?????
the only mistake he made of note was the one against holland in orlando. an outstanding keeper for us otherwise. countless memorable performances. anything else is just s*** stirringQuote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
As was Sheedy's against EnglandQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Dont know about worst 11, but i was going to suggest that the weakest 11 put out was one the 3 games of the south america tour in 1982, but having checked out those teams, they didnt look so bad (included McDonagh, Brady, Daly, Grealish, Robinson). So i guess the weakest 11 was in either of the 2 games of last years US tour, or maybe the US tour when McCarthy had just taken over and brought lots of youngsters.
Oh god help us if the majority of football supporters in this country think like you!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
For every single game O'Shea has played for Ireland I can't remember him having a good 90 minutes. He's been truly shocking in an Irish jersey.
And as for coming on against Roma - Ferdinand was sublime and carried O'Shea through the game - I'd say every United supporter was very worried when they saw him trot on
hilarious. he plays for the best team in the premier lge for a manager who shows no mercy when getting rid of players that are not up to it. hes about to be part of a premier lge winning team with a good shout at winning the champions lge yet some on here think hes not good enough for our middle of the road international team!Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
you can say what you like but its more about who he plays for than how he plays that attracts the critisism here.... i'll never be convinced otherwise. no world beater but i gaurantee that he'll be a regular feature in our team under trapp. two world class managers cant both be wrong about him
nail>>>>>>>>>>headQuote:
Originally Posted by Claret Murph
by far the worst player I can remember seeing playing for Ireland in my lifetime. Every time I've seen him play (amidst the bizarre hype surrounding him) he has been an absolute let-down. I never want to see him near an Irish squad again...
Aidan McGeddy or whatever his bloody name is.... Just dont see it... hype hype hype !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
Don't be so foolish. He's a bit part player for a United team who in nearly 9 years of making his senior debut at the club has never established himself as a regular in any particular position for that same club. He's also generally poor when playing for United and even poorer when playing for Ireland which is the team I'm concerned about and not some English Premiership team that means nothing to me. This attitude of 'he plays for a big club so he must be better than all those players who play for smaller clubs' is pure nonsense that gets far too much airing on these forums. If that's the case let's not have a manager at all just pick all the players based on their teams current position in the premiership. Many poor players have played for the top teams throughout the years. Even the best teams in the world can get away with one or two dodgy players (particularly non starters like O'Shea).Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Ferguson could pick him from now until the day he retires and it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me. His limitations for Ireland are apparent to the most casual observer in any of his performances over the years.
Obviously you are a United supporter but to say JOS is a decent player that deserves his place in an Ireland team implies to me that you haven't watched a single Ireland game in the last 6 years. Trapatonni may well pick him for Ireland but that is now due to the current circumstances (with the retirement of A O'Brien, Carr and Finnan and the loss of form of McShane) out of necessity rather than for any implied ability. Staunton and Kerr didn't have to make the same mistakes.
He has been an absolutely shocking player for Ireland. People slate Kilbane on here but Kilbane for Ireland has been a far more effective player than O'Shea over the years.
:confused: I was talking about Miller....Willing to give McGeady a chance (he's only 21 after all) but the pessimist in me makes me think that he won't live up to his hype but he definitely won't turn out to be as sh!t as Miller...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81