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I heard that the Mayor of Albuquerque is lining up something.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
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Originally Posted by GavinZac
I believe that honour resides in cork
Do you know what a franchise is? :confused: How does a club, originating with Avondale deciding to set up another club, recruit some local lads and enter a league, constitute a franchise? That is how 90% of clubs are set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tis-smeee
A sports franchise is an American idea, a brand which simply fills a slot in a league table, which can be relocated to where-ever a good market exists. Witness San Jose Clash upping sticks and driving down the road to Houston, or the Dodgers club moving across the continent to where they could be the first to draw in support from the relatively new and rapidly expanding settlement of Los Angeles.
the Shamrock franchise is moving away from its heritage in south inner dublin, ringsend and milltown, and whoring itself to the baying masses of the relatively new and rapidly expanding settlement of Tallaght.
Hit nerve did I with so many incarnations of franchise teams in cork over the years Im not surprised
Because the FAI sought applications from interested parties in Cork in creating a club specifically for the LOI. And 90% of clubs do not form this way, or the way you described either.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
They used to attract most of their support from South Dublin when they were in Milltown. They will still attract most of their support from South Dublin in Tallagh. Whats the problem?
Jealousy, thats the problem. Arkaga Franchise Club will never have any history.
Now thats funny. Considering Waterford United are a new club themselves!Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
Whatever happened to Waterford FC?
No we are not, we simply added the word 'United' to our name, Waterford F.C.
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Originally Posted by half_full
completely different club.
Not really. I see however, you still havent figured out what a franchise is; A club being new, or there being many incarnations of different clubs in one city, doesn't mean its a franchise. Look at Limerick - they've had 37 clubs now at this stage. They aren't, however, a franchise. They're a splitters group, like the majority of clubs (people generally don't just wake up and think one day, "i think i might like football. I shall set up a club so I can play." This process happens all over the world, e.g. Genoa and Milan, or Botafogo and Fluminense. It happens in every sport too, e.g. the Barres and Na Piarsiagh)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tis-smeee
A franchise is where one team occupies the same slot in the league no matter where they play, playing wherever the cash can be gotten, losing all local identity. The next step in the process is allocation of players in order of worst team to best, so that every franchise gets to win sometime. The yanks really know how to exploit sport for profit.
FYI: a move to Tallaght was first proposed in the Shamrock Rovers' fanzine Hoops Upside Your Head! Rovers have been based there since 1997 through the schoolboys' section, and the club has been working in the South Dublin community (scholarships, Football in the Community) since the fans took over. Also, the movement of our fanbase over the last three decades means that around 50% of our current support already resides in or around Tallaght. Those outside the area (including myself) fully support the move.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
Given that we're a members' club with deep roots in the South Dublin region it makes total sense. Besides, if it's what the fans want it can hardly be described as a franchise.
Begrudge all you like; you're just someone on the internet. Meanwhile we own our club and are in control of our destiny. Boo! Yah! etc.
Thats not what a franchise is at all. The last bit has nothing got to do with franchises at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
The player allocation? I know. I didn't say it did :confused: If a franchise isn't "one team occupies the same slot in the league no matter where they play, playing wherever the cash can be gotten, losing all local identity", what is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Cork City FCQuote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
you gotta love the petty jealousy in this thread! We're in their heads KidQuote:
Originally Posted by HulaHoop
Jealousy of what exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
Yawn. You'd get more people to rise to your petty wumming Gav if you actually honed your skills a bit more, really, you've got the annoying irritant factor down to a tee, now you just need to improve your jokes.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
Anyway back on topic, why haven't the 6 clubs ****ed off yet? Could the FAI exert any pressure on the respective owners of Terryland and Turners Cross to get them booted out of the grounds should they form their own breakaway league? Will anyone really care bar 'the 6'?
hey before you start winning leagues (hahaha) remember where youve been for the last 20 years....and drogheda offered u ouor ground when u had nowhere for a licence 2 years ago...(with an attitude like that no wonder you lot are hated)Quote:
Originally Posted by khoop
Any chance we can get what was a decent thread back on topic?
All the Derry board were at the press conference today, which means we weren't represented at this rumoured meeting. You could argue that Jim Roddy is "de facto" representation though......
I dont think the G6 are really planning a breakaway, bottom line is they need the support of the FAI for there to be any chance of success , also i hear there presentation was **** poor with little support financial or otherwise .Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
does anybody see a breakaway surviving without fai support
I don't think they are either, I think the 6 tried to flex their puny muscles at the FAI, got laughed out of the building and will now sit at home nursing their egos. That they are going to be ridiculed for this nonsense was inevitable, and rightly should continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
Jebus,
Can you tell me why you are so set against an AIL?
let me repharase " now Mr turkey why do you dislike christmas"Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
I'm more against a group forming, thinking they are bigger than the league itself (some of the comments by the 6's fans here show that), who try and dictate the way the leagues in two seperate countries should be organised. It just smacks of trying to wrestle back control from the FAI because a few decisions didn't go the 6's way.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
I'm against an AIL because it will favour the teams that are already in the money, and no-one else, it smacks of trying to keep the teams on top there for the foreseeable future. I also don't see what the attraction of playing Glentoran is for anyone outside of Northern Ireland, and I also don't understand why people are so eager to bring the meathead section of Linfield supporters down here to meet the knuckledragging section of whatever random Irish club they play.
I also disagree with promoting clubs based solely on their off-field exploits, as GUFC fans can tell you
Some chip on your shoulder!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
An AIL would be great for soccer in this country. There has been no problems with linfield and glentoran fans in the setanta cup. A few dublin vs belfast games would deffo create more of an interest.
Imagine Derry vs Glentoran, Shamrock Rovers vs Linfield, Galway vs Cliftonville, Cork vs Bohs etc. Alot more interesting than UCD vs Longford or Dungannon vs Institute.
Your comment about this being about keeping the biggest at the top is rubbish the biggest and best clubs like cream always rise to the top. Look at any league in europe!
But like ive said before the Fai are in favour, most supporters are in favour, most clubs in both leagues are in favour the only people who are holding this back are the IFA.
To them accepting this goes against their unionist principles even if it means progress for all.
How are the FAI in favour ? What indication have they given
Absolute ******** I'm afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
First off the glamour ties you listed, Derry vs Glentoran I grant you, as I did when I said who outside of Northern Ireland would be interested in Glentoran, Rovers vs Linfield would drag far too much scum to the games, and would blacken the name of both the clubs and the league, Galway vs Cliftonville I presume was a joke, and Cork vs Bohs, don't we already have that?
Really? Because you think part-time clubs can sustain the travel expenses that this would cause? Cream always rises to the top eh? Unless money is your cream then you're living in fantasy land and honestly, I can't think of a way other than putting on a puppet show production to show you that. I presume the 6 would be looking for a vast majority slice of all TV money from this too for the top leaguers? I presume they look at the Premiership as an example of how to keep the status quo in football, keep in mind how close Galway, Derry etc. have nearly gone to the wall in the recent pastQuote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
Yeah it's those darn Unionists again. The FAI may or may not be in favour, it looks like they're not, but who knows with them. Most clubs and supporters though? Bar the 6 who else is pushing for this? The two biggest marque names to the barstoolers in our country (that being Rovers and Shelbourne of course) haven't said they are interested, and without them the thing falls flat on it's face. And this is all assuming that UEFA go against their own plans and allow two seperate countries to form one national league, which they won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
I'm in total agreement with Jebus.
Absolute ******** I'm afraid.
First off the glamour ties you listed, Derry vs Glentoran I grant you, as I did when I said who outside of Northern Ireland would be interested in Glentoran, Rovers vs Linfield would drag far too much scum to the games, and would blacken the name of both the clubs and the league, Galway vs Cliftonville I presume was a joke, and Cork vs Bohs, don't we already have that?
I think most clubs would prefer to play Glentoran in front of several thousand in the oval rather than 3 men and a dog in the "state of the art" Jackman park in Limerick.
Shamrock Rovers fan base is based in South Dublin, Linfield has most of its support base in East Belfast. Who are you to imply that people in these areas are scumbags. Dublin is'nt the city called 'stab city'.
My point was that with an AIL the fixtures would be alot more appealing and the league therefore would create alot more interest as an AI premier league would be made up of the bigger clubs eventually. Maybe this is what you are afraid of?
Really? Because you think part-time clubs can sustain the travel expenses that this would cause?
Well if any club cant afford the €20 extra per trip it would cost in petrol take a coach an extra few miles, they should do the decent thing an join a junior league now!
Cream always rises to the top eh? Unless money is your cream then you're living in fantasy land and honestly, I can't think of a way other than putting on a puppet show production to show you that.
Did I mention money? And you are calling me a muppet:eek:
I presume the 6 would be looking for a vast majority slice of all TV money from this too for the top leaguers?
Why don't you ask the clubs all im saying is an AI league would be great for domestic football in ireland.
I presume they look at the Premiership as an example of how to keep the status quo in football, keep in mind how close Galway, Derry etc. have nearly gone to the wall in the recent past
Again you would be better advises to ask them, all i am saying is an AI league would be great for domestic football in Ireland.
I'm in favour of both an AIL and the wage cap. If I had to pick one it'd be the wage cap.
I think you just called yourself that champ. Anyway given the level of nonsense spewing at the moment I think I can safely say that your endorsement of this league has firmly killed any counterargument that pro-AIL fans could ever muster, I raise a glass in saluteQuote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
please explain how an All-Ireland league would benefit a club who are now a mid-table First division team.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
Bear in mind these clubs are as much a part of domestic football in Ireland as any of the G6, even if they don't have the same finances or facilities.
Im talking about domestic football as a whole. I never mentioned a "mid table First division team".Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
Do you think that an All-Ireland league will benefit first division clubs without much money?
If the top half of the premier enters an AIL, the bottom half (Derry, Galway, Bray, UCD, Waterford and Longford) would be playing in the first division. This would improve the standard of football and support down there.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
You really see Derry playing in the first division if an All Ireland League was created?Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
I dont think it will disadvantage 1st division clubs. You need to look at the bigger picture.
An AI premier league with clubs like
Bohs
Rovers
Pats
Linfield
Glentoran
Cork
Galway
Waterford
Cliftonville
Derry
Drogheda
could be capable of getting a team to the Champions league eventually IMO such would be the competition between them all.
I apoligise if this inconveniences some of the smaller clubs. (I dont think it would)
We'd have more right to be there than Galway and Waterford and if we're going on recent league position then Derry too.
but then some of what is now the first division would be moved to a new division? Division 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
Nobody seems to be clear on how the league would be structured. Everybody seems to focus on the "exciting" top division, but not the rest.
As it stands, I'd see little or no benefit for any club who wouldn't be included in the top division from the very start.
I'd see a lot of the best players leaving any of the clubs that just missed the cut, moving to clubs in the top division.
I'd guess that TV rights would be divided favourably towards the top division clubs.
All of this would, in my opinion, lower the standard of every division except the top division.
But I'm guessing we'll never know. I can't see the FAI and IFA agreeing on this given there are two separate national teams, and I can't see it going ahead without the approval of the FAI and IFA.