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07/03/2007, 2:28 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by mypost

This is the "free-flowing attacking football" that produced less than 50% of the shots at goal against us at Anfield. :rolleyes: This is the shower of would be world-beaters, that would wipe the floor off everyone this season, yet when they had 20 minutes to save rescue their European Cup hopes, couldn't even manage a shot on target to do it.

good old Liverpool supporters, never fail to get their backs up at the slightest insult to their club. Are you seriously suggesting that Liverpool are a better attacking team than Barcelona? Really? As in on the ground, pass and move football? Are you suggesting that getting 'stuck in' goes against my point about free flowing football? Because if you are than you're a complete fool who hasn't a clue about football.

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Originally Posted by mypost

The RTE panel meanwhile, are a bunch of Man-Ure lovers, who were whinging that the hated Liverpool had the temerity to beat the Nou Camp blokes, again.

Oh yeah forgot that 'Mr. Arsenal' Liam Brady, the man who constantly has a go at Ronaldo, Rooney and Ferguson, Eamon Dunphy, and John Giles, who has never shown any particular liking for Man Utd are all 'Man Ure Lovers'. :rolleyes: sort your arguments out before you bother posting would you
07/03/2007, 2:30 PM
Roadend

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

I said 1 game. My point is that I've never seen Gerrard or Fat Frank do that in any game. :rolleyes:

I don't speak Scouse Whinge so I can't make it any simpler for you.

KOH

Maybe you should watch more games, Mikel has been turd in every game I've seen him in.
07/03/2007, 2:35 PM
dfx-

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

I said 1 game. My point is that I've never seen Gerrard or Fat Frank do that in any game. :rolleyes:

I don't speak Scouse Whinge so I can't make it any simpler for you.

KOH

Over-hyped and over-rated though he is, I'll take Gerrard ahead of a 19 year old who plays well once.

Playing well once is the sort of thing that got Diao into the side. No thanks.
07/03/2007, 3:03 PM
WeAreRovers

For the last bleedin' time - a 19-year-old kid played better last night than the hyped-up English midfielders like Gerrard and Lamaprd ever do. The fact that Liverpool fans feel the need to defend their hero against one game by a kid says it all.

Anyway, as Dodge points out Fabregas is the best midfielder in the Premiership. But he doesn't need the hype of the media and the paranoia of his club's fans to make that so.

TBH I'd even rate Carrick higher than Gerrard. At least he can pass the ball.

KOH
07/03/2007, 3:08 PM
Roadend

I feel so silly, I thought you were trying to make some kind of a point, then you mentioned Carrick. I now realise you're on a pi55 take.
07/03/2007, 3:13 PM
WeAreRovers

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Originally Posted by Roadend

I feel so silly, I thought you were trying to make some kind of a point, then you mentioned Carrick. I now realise you're on a pi55 take.

Afraid not la, Carrick's a genuinely better player. Liverpool fans tend to mistake being from Liverpool and speaking with a Scouse accent with being a good player.

Jamie Carragher is another fine example of a pish poor player lauded by Liverpool fans. And all because Liverpool fans from Glenegeary and Glasnevin think he's "one of us la". :rolleyes:

KOH
07/03/2007, 3:17 PM
Roadend

The opta stats will diagree with you there, but then what are facts in that face of your opninon.
07/03/2007, 3:19 PM
drinkfeckarse

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

Afraid not la, Carrick's a genuinely better player. Liverpool fans tend to mistake being from Liverpool and speaking with a Scouse accent with being a good player.

Jamie Carragher is another fine example of a pish poor player lauded by Liverpool fans. And all because Liverpool fans from Glenegeary and Glasnevin think he's "one of us la". :rolleyes:

KOH

Carragher is an excellent defender. Poor distribution I'll give you that but if you think he's a poor defender then you don't really know much about defending at all.
07/03/2007, 3:22 PM
Dodge

Carragher's a great example of a limited player who gets the absolute maximum out of his talent. The likes of Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard would do well to have a look at what Carragher has achieved. IMO only Woodgate is abetter English centre half
07/03/2007, 3:22 PM
dfx-

He's on a wind up...first Gerrard, then Carrick and now moving onto Carragher. I'd almost miss NY Hoop's attempts by comparison.
07/03/2007, 3:38 PM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by jebus

good old Liverpool supporters, never fail to get their backs up at the slightest insult to their club. Are you seriously suggesting that Liverpool are a better attacking team than Barcelona? Really? As in on the ground, pass and move football? Are you suggesting that getting 'stuck in' goes against my point about free flowing football? Because if you are than you're a complete fool who hasn't a clue about football.

You're not wrong. Any Irish person that refers to an english club as "we" or "us" cannot be taken seriously. Because the media say Gerrard is world class they think he is. Sure the stupid paddies only "support" liverpool because everyone else does anyway:rolleyes:

Gerrard scores some great goals from distance and without him his average team mates would be lost. That's not world class no matter what sky sports tell you.

KOH
07/03/2007, 3:42 PM
dfx-

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The actim indices ratings are supposed to be excellent gauges for quality in football.

Here are the current stats:

Top 10 overall

As at: Tue 27 Feb 07 09:35
Name Team Index Score
1 didier drogba Chelsea 493
2 cristiano ronaldo Manchester United 492
3 frank lampard Chelsea 473
4 gareth barry Aston Villa 441
5 wayne rooney Manchester United 433
6 mikel arteta Everton 425
7 steve finnan Liverpool 422
8 steven gerrard Liverpool 404
9 rio ferdinand Manchester United 396
10 el-hadji diouf Bolton Wanderers 395

Top 5 Keepers:

Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 marcus hahnemann 378 14 Reading
2 edwin van der sar 371 16 Manchester United
3 david james 366 20 Portsmouth
4 jose reina 359 23 Liverpool
5 tim howard 343 32 Everton

Top 5 Defenders:

Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 steve finnan 422 7 Liverpool
2 rio ferdinand 396 9 Manchester United
3 gary neville 385 13 Manchester United
4 matthew taylor 366 21 Portsmouth
5 nicky shorey 364 22 Reading

Top 5 Midfielders:

Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 cristiano ronaldo 492 2 Manchester United
2 frank lampard 473 3 Chelsea
3 gareth barry 441 4 Aston Villa
4 mikel arteta 425 6 Everton
5 steven gerrard 404 8 Liverpool

The last one is interesting, eh? So lads, where's the backing behind your opinions?
07/03/2007, 3:43 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by d f x-

The last one is interesting, eh? So lads, where's the backing behind your opinions?

If you're bringing ****ing stats into it, you've proved all our points... Gareth ****ing Barry!!!
07/03/2007, 3:45 PM
wws

a subject close to my heart this

my line would simply be this

Stephen Hunt - the best player in the premiership in my view. I don't care what anyone else thinks - this lad has the lot!

Ronaldo - Shammer - people who say he's the greatest are either kids (who dont know no better or just simpletons - they will learn in time to differentiate between a shammer and a true diamond if they're kids)

Lampard - the best English Midfielder by far
Gerrard - cracking eye for a shot, not a lot going on between the ears

Barca - rubbish this season and Liverpool should have hammered them if they didnt go all Houlier in the second half
07/03/2007, 3:46 PM
wws

the ACTIM stats have Tevez as minus something - whatever you think about his performances for west ham he's not teh worst in the prem by any means

they are a useful guide but a guide and no more
07/03/2007, 3:51 PM
WeAreRovers

Stats!! The last refuge of the desperate.

Dodge, Terry is the best English centre-half by far. Woodgate's the best ball-playing centre-half alright. Curtis Davies will outshine the lot of them in a few years.

KOH
07/03/2007, 3:52 PM
drinkfeckarse

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Originally Posted by Dodge

If you're bringing ****ing stats into it, you've proved all our points... Gareth ****ing Barry!!!

Funnily enough he's having a great season Dodge. He has always stood out for me and I'd be genuinely shocked if he wasn't in the next England squad. I'm sure I read McClaran acknowledging the fact somewhere recently.
07/03/2007, 3:54 PM
wws

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Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

Funnily enough he's having a great season Dodge. He has always stood out for me and I'd be genuinely shocked if he wasn't in the next England squad. I'm sure I read McClaran acknowledging the fact somewhere recently.

lol

referencing McLAREN!

The really really last refuge of teh desperate!
07/03/2007, 3:57 PM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

Stats!! The last refuge of the desperate.

Dodge, Terry is the best English centre-half by far. Woodgate's the best ball-playing centre-half alright. Curtis Davies will outshine the lot of them in a few years.

KOH

Dont be stupid they dont play for liverpool so they're obviously all crap:D

Terry is up there with Adams and McGrath IMO.

KOH
07/03/2007, 3:58 PM
wws

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Dont be stupid they dont play for liverpool so they're obviously all crap:D

Terry is up there with Adams and McGrath IMO.

KOH

is he an alco?
07/03/2007, 3:59 PM
drinkfeckarse

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Originally Posted by wws

lol

referencing McLAREN!

The really really last refuge of teh desperate!

Referencing McLaren that he was going to call him up that's all. Just my opinion on the player wws. And please explain to me why exactly I would be desperate???

:rolleyes:
07/03/2007, 4:00 PM
wws

ease up horsey!
im not casting aspertions here
07/03/2007, 4:08 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

Referencing McLaren that he was going to call him up that's all.

McLaren's called up Alonso.
07/03/2007, 4:16 PM
Roadend

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Originally Posted by wws

the ACTIM stats have Tevez as minus something - whatever you think about his performances for west ham he's not teh worst in the prem by any means

they are a useful guide but a guide and no more

Eh, Tevez played one half decent game all season and that was Sunday, so far he has been one of the worst if you are going on his performances.
07/03/2007, 4:17 PM
Roadend

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Terry is up there with Adams and McGrath IMO.

Oh yes, his performances for England prove that. :rolleyes:
07/03/2007, 4:21 PM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by Roadend

Oh yes, his performances for England prove that. :rolleyes:

I meant playing in the premier****.

Anybody who "supports" an english club should support their national side too btw.

KOH
07/03/2007, 4:25 PM
Roadend

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

I meant playing in the premier****.

Oh so he can only be judged on how he plays in the premiership. I see....
07/03/2007, 4:29 PM
Ceirtlis

Liverpool won the Champions League a few years ago for fooks sake and Gerrard was the one who brought them back into it. Likewise he got them back in the fa cup final against West Ham last year with a brilliant display. Anyone who says they have never seen him play as well as Mikel did last night has obviously not seen him play too many games.Mikel has done nothing - apart from changing his name because it sounds better on tv - since going to England. Im not saying Gerrard is the best in the world or anything, he clearly didnt do it at the world cup, but a nothing player? What a load of rubbish, a real Eamonn Dunphy classic(the man who was up for Cameroon against Ireland, saying Ireland had absolutley no chance of making it through the groups). The panel on RTE are so ****ing cynical, they are not happy when the underdog wins because they always say the favourite just wasnt "honest" enough. If i was to sum up that game last night i would say, fair play to Liverpool, they are an average side but they still managed to knock out the champions over two legs.
07/03/2007, 4:29 PM
pete

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Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 marcus hahnemann 378 14 Reading
2 edwin van der sar 371 16 Manchester United
3 david james 366 20 Portsmouth
4 jose reina 359 23 Liverpool
5 tim howard 343 32 Everton

Those Stats are hilarious. Hahnemann is massive weak link for Reading.

:eek:
07/03/2007, 4:36 PM
dfx-

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

Stats!! The last refuge of the desperate.

Whilst not proving anything, it gives some semblance of rationale to Gerrard having a decent, not great season and I am quite happy with him personally. Far from a nothing player in fact.

I only wait for the Scholes is a good tackler comment next to join spurious claims that Tevez has been playing well for more than one game, Carrick is a better midfielder, Carragher is not very good and Terry is a good centre-half from certain people amongst this thread.
07/03/2007, 4:43 PM
mypost

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Originally Posted by Ceirtlis

fair play to Liverpool, they are an average side.

More patronising shyte.

Knock out the Italian champions, English champions, Spanish champions, top your CL groups, and come from 0-3 down to beat an Italian side in a European Cup final.

In most countries, that would be called a "wonderful" side with world-class footballers. Here it's only average, with "nothing" players. :rolleyes:
07/03/2007, 4:53 PM
Ceirtlis

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More patronising shyte

Im basing it on their performances in the premiership where they are currently 3rd 19 points of top.
07/03/2007, 5:11 PM
WeAreRovers

I think we'll have to call this thread a good day's work if annoying the touchiest fans on Earth is the point. ;)

Shame on the Hoops on this thread prattling on about "us" and "we" in relation to a foreign team. :rolleyes:

KOH
07/03/2007, 5:16 PM
dfx-

I'm sure the one Hoop can handle that 'shame' :)
07/03/2007, 6:34 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

Funnily enough he's having a great season Dodge. He has always stood out for me and I'd be genuinely shocked if he wasn't in the next England squad. I'm sure I read McClaran acknowledging the fact somewhere recently.

He's doing OK but he is the slowest player in europe. Same way John Terry is a bit slow for top top class football (witness world cup and latter stages of europe). Not much between Terry and Carragher mind
08/03/2007, 9:01 AM
First

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Originally Posted by Dodge

He took the wrong sort of Acid

Funny that Dunphy mentioned acid / LSD on last nights programme when talking about the decline of the Galacticos.

Did anyone else pick up on this .

Are the expert knowledge of the RTE panel using this site for inspiration.:)
08/03/2007, 9:13 AM
OwlsFan

I was amused by Alan "brilliant" "magnificent" Parry on SKy last night as he declared that Arsenal "must surely go on and win this" after they scored. Talk about tempting fate.

So another season without a trophy for Arsenal and yet they will continue to play weakened sides in the FA Cup and League Cup. I am gutted for Arsene Whinger.

I see RTE must have had a few complaints about the panel's attacks on Ronaldo as Giles said he wasn't going to mention him again.
08/03/2007, 10:08 AM
geysir

Bill betrayed his deprived educational knowledge when referring to Man u's opponents as Lil.
08/03/2007, 10:24 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by geysir

educational knowledge

LOL :D
08/03/2007, 10:35 AM
osarusan

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Carragher's a great example of a limited player who gets the absolute maximum out of his talent. The likes of Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard would do well to have a look at what Carragher has achieved. IMO only Woodgate is abetter English centre half

Agreed. I think this is mainly because Carrgher is aware of his limitations, knows what he can and cannot do, and plays accordingly.

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