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Wont somebody please think of the schooligans!
An Eircom League Media Statement issued a while ago.
As it was the League's decision that the FAI overturned, it is only the eircom League that can now seek arbitrition. So, are we going to have a situation where the eircom League pays €5,000 to the FAI to take the situation to arbitrition. If so, we then face a situation where we will have three officials of the eircom League sitting at a table with three officials of the FAI and an independent arbitrator to reach a decision. What if the arbitrator rules in favour of the eircom League - as the arbitrator did in the Shamrock Rovers case. The plot thickens . . . . .Quote:
Media Statement
Following the decision of the FAI Appeal Board in relation to the Bohemians v Shelbourne fixture, eircom League Chairman Paddy McCaul has convened a meeting of the Board of Control for this Friday, November 3rd to consider the decision.
No further statement will be made at this time.
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Below and attached is an updated Premier Division table reflecting the decision. Also attached is an updated Premier Division goalscorers list reflecting same.
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PREMIER DIVISION LEAGUE TABLE, November 1st
P W D L F A PTS
Shelbourne 25 16 7 2 53 21 55
Derry City 25 15 7 3 42 17 52
Drogheda United 26 13 9 4 28 18 48
Cork City 26 12 11 3 31 13 47
Sligo Rovers 26 11 6 9 30 35 39
St. Patrick's Athletic 27 9 9 9 32 27 36
U.C.D. 28 7 11 10 22 25 32
Longford Town 27 7 9 11 19 24 30
*Bohemians 26 8 4 14 25 27 25
Bray Wanderers 27 3 5 19 20 62 14
Waterford United 27 2 6 19 19 52 12
*Denotes deducted three points for fielding a suspended player.
So does it now go to the EL Mgt Comm to decide to appeal? All 21 clubs or just a subcommittee. Do clubs with a vested interest leave the room?
So is this why we'd had record fines all year. Anyone have a league table fo the most fined club this season?
what an absolute joke. How do you explain that to the barstoolers. they'll have a field day. :mad:
So who makes the decision, is it the Judean People's Football Association or the Football Association of Judean People?
Truly this is an Irish mess. I predict a tribunal within 3 months.
I've just had a brilliant idea... why don't Bohs deliberately play an ineligible player in the replay.... the precedent is there now that 'in the interest of Fair Play' the replay would have to be replayed.
Bohs could then deliberately play an ineligible player, or hey, an ineligible squad, in the replay of the replay. Even if they lose 12-0, the precedent is there that there should be a replay (of the replay of the replay). Bohs could keep doing this, until Shels get bored and start sending their under-12s.... then in the 43rd replay Bohs could sneak out their first team, beat Shels, and fook them up.
Hey, its as logical as anything that's come from the FAI.
Its a terrible mess. Its so very disappointing. Common sense seems to go out the window regarding the league. Its like they have a top-hat with a whole lot of crazy in it and every few weeks the management draws something out of it and runs with it. I'd love a copy of the rulebook.
The FAI had their interest at heart when they ruled that they should get another go off the BeBohs. Hope the Herald have their best man on the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
I have one simple question at this stage, how low do we have to go before this league gets its house in order?
I have to say irrelevant of whomever you support its clear that this decision is morally wrong, if thsi is the basis of future decisions under the jurisdiction of the FAI i genuinely cant see how this league can progress beyond being the butt of the general publics jokes.
A very sad day for Irish football IMO.
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Originally Posted by Gareth
knock yourself out
http://www.foot.ie/showthread.php?t=44599
This is the same rovers who were bankrupt a couple of years ago and dont even have a home ground?? If they GAA get their way you wont either. What ya gonna do then??Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
The people making the decision dont have a pair of balls between them that the reason why we have decision like today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Its up to Shels/Ollie and every other club in the country to go plead their case. Shels had every right to appeal, which they did, most other clubs would have done the same thing.
The decision makers should have made the decision based on what was the correct thing to do for the league and not what evens things up for previous **** ups...
The league need to get serious, quickly!
The ad hoc decisions are becomming very annoying. They should have ruled in favour of Shels and 3 points in my opinion, or else increase the punishment for Bohs. Last thing I expected them to do was go down the replay route....
It justs proves they couldnt make a decision and stand by it.
They should be shot
Joke decision. Dundalk FC don't have as much to gain from replaying our match with Rovers (the original one was a draw) so I doubt we will be seeking one like Shels did. However, if we finish behind Rovers by 1 or 2 points then we might as well look to replay the game (we would have to get it "in the interest of fairness" of course) and try and win it, therefore leapfrogging them. We would have nothing to lose.
Its is 100% down to the clubs. The clusb run the league and the league's a mess. As are most clubs.
That's the FAI rulebook. The eircom League rulebook is a different kettle of fish all together.Quote:
Originally Posted by lofty9
What people tend to forget is that the eircom League and the FAI are two seperate bodies. Next season the FAI will be ruling the eircom League and will as such be one body.
The eircom League is the League clubs. It is the league clubs who draw up the rulebook and change it, etc. The FAI have no say in the contents of the eircom League rulebook.
The eircom League clubs have only themselves to blame for a lot of the loopholes that are contained in the rulebook.
However, I've seen a copy of the eircom League rulebook, and there is nowhere in it that states a game should be replayed if an opposing team plays an illegal player. The only rule states that the club that plays an illegal player will have three points deducted. This was the punishement that the eircom league gave Bohemians. The reason for the rest of the ****e we are in today is down to Ollie Byrne, Shelbourne FC and the FAI. The League dished out the punishment weeks ago according to their rulebook.
Just think back a few years ago. Waterford United beat Dublin City and played an illegal player. Waterford were deducted three points but Dublin City wanted the game replayed. However, at that stage, the FAI didn't grant Dublin City their wish. Dublin City missed out in finishing in third place in the First Division to Finn Harps by two points. Because of their protest, appeals etc. the play-off between Finn Harps and Longford Town was delayed by almost three weeks. This is the exact same situation as to the one with Shels, but the FAI today made a completely different ruling - no consistency.
Until the eircom League rulebook states that a game is replayed because a team plays an illegal player, the decision today is totally wrong and goes against what the rulebook says. Why have a rulebook (however bad it is) if people don't obey it.
To highlight the idiocy of the FAI and the Eircom League what about the fans boycotting The CArlsberg FAI Cup Final in December? That would really embarrass Delaney and put his position in jeopardy.
Sincere apologies to the players of Pats and Derry but something drastic has to be done to remove these idiots from offfice.
Thats It Right There " Post of the Generation " absolutely No Contest:D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
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Originally Posted by lofty9
URE HAVIN A LAFF! :D
Just so people know. The FAI made this decision. The league's decision was to dock Bohs 3 points.
Lets go to arbritration
This is basically it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
The clubs accepted a fundamentally flawed and inaccurate rulebook for a number of seasons, with lessons not having been learned from previous debacles.
The FAI haven't covered themselves in glory by making an ad-hoc decision that smacks of appeasement rather than any sense of accuracy and correctness.
Ollie has been opportunitistic, maybe a bit more opportunistic than many other clubs would have been. But then again, thats no surprise as his track record in having a myopic obsession with whats best for Shels is well established and whilst morally questionable, is understandable.
The real loser here is us, the fans.
We pays our money, invest our time, energy and soul and we come out of it feeling like we've been cheated, duped and taken on a ride (and not a good one).
As far as I'm concerned lets skip straight to the Cup Final, give the League to Ollie right away (ideally in an empty, tumbelweed strewn Tolka with only a few onlooking rats watching) and get this damn season over and done with.
Didn't want to be the one to raise that, but it occurred to me immediately (furthermore, the ineligible player scored the goal which effectively deprived DC of a play-off berth. If that's not a blatant breach of natural justice I don't know what is.)Quote:
Originally Posted by harps1954
But really, I don't understand where this indignation is coming from. When the clubs ceded responsibility for such a fundamental aspect of professional football as the composition of the league itself, they effectively granted Delaney unfettered executive power. (While I agree to some extent with Dodge's earlier post on the subject, it's not true that the fans opposed this en bloc; most either shut up pretty smartly when they realised how handsomely their own clubs would benefit, or began spinning frantically in the opposite direction.)
You do all realise that "the interests of fair play" is a catchall which means whatever Delaney wants it to mean, and is now legally enshrined in precedent?
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Originally Posted by Sheridan
im open to correction here but tisnt the dealeyoh - yeah we accept the merger - new rulebook gets drafted and kicked in for next years format?
at the moment we're in the limbo stage between formats
thats why we still have EL decisions and FAI decisions runnin concurrently
and contradicting each other
we have the current mess cos this is the last year the clubs can play one rule book off the other
with predicatble carnage resulting
The same rovers who have since gotten their house in order & when the GAA get kicked into touch will have a similar (if not better) ground deal than Dundalk have. Dundalk FC dont own their ground & no longer own Hyney Park either, so basically you have a lease of some description or other, end of story!! After that point is addressed i'd be quite confident our club is run in a superior manner if both games at Oriel Park this season are anything to go by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Koh
We have a deal whereby as long as we wish to use Oriel Park to play our games it is ours to use. If we decide to move in the future then Oriel Park cannot be touched until we have played our first game in the new ground. How is that similar to what Rovers currently have?
That's the nub of the matter and also the opportunity to tell them to stick their league and association where the sun don't shine.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
KOH
Come back to us when you have some control over the people you allow into your ground.
Compare how you were treated in tolka twice to how we were treated up there.
KOH
Lads don't get sucked into this kind of handbags in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
I think wws is right, the merged league and rules will hopefully get rid of all the confusion.
For me, the fairest and simplest outcome is an automatic 3-0 score awarded to the opposition (assuming the actual result is no better) along with a hefty fine (on a sliding scale, depending on the actual result - ie if they lose three points, smaller fine etc ) for the team fielding the suspended player.
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Media Statement a h-aon
The FAI Appeal Board, having consulted all the available documentation and heard oral evidence, made the following decision:
• Deduction of three points against Bohemian F.C. to stand.
• Match between Bohemian FC and Shelbourne FC to be replayed at the original venue.
• Match between Bohemian FC and Shelbourne FC to be replayed as a matter of urgency.
The reasons for the FAI Appeal Board decision were as follows:
• The deduction of points against Bohemians FC stands due to the ineligibility of the Bohemians FC player.
• The Eircom League Premier Division match between Bohemian FC and Shelbourne FC is to be replayed in the interests of Fair Play.
Wait a sec, if the goalscorers list needs to be updated, does this mean that the original game has been expunged (Home Farm-style) from the records? So why would it need to be replayed then:confused:Quote:
Media Statement a dó
Following the decision of the FAI Appeal Board in relation to the Bohemians v Shelbourne fixture, eircom League Chairman Paddy McCaul has convened a meeting of the Board of Control for this Friday, November 3rd to consider the decision.
No further statement will be made at this time.
-o-
Below and attached is an updated Premier Division table reflecting the decision. Also attached is an updated Premier Division goalscorers list reflecting same.
-o-
If goals scored are being ignored, what about bookings incurred and suspensions? Which brings us back to the earlier point - can McGuinness play in this 'replay' and who should Bohs contact to find out who is eligible? (Ollie may have to supply them with a list of players)
What a complete mess...
Does the fact that the eL Board of Control are meeting to consider the FAI decision mean that they can choose to ignore it?
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Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
Lurch has already served his suspension so is eligible to play.
Now there's a gap in the rule book that needs fixing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
Surely no-one should be able to appeal a decision re another club ? Shels weren't a party to the decision/penalty, so should'nt be aloowed to appeal it.
Interesting to see the reason the FAI have given for their decision is "Fair Play" ! Does that mean the rules are now at the mercy of the FAI's discretion dependent upon their view of fair play ?
And if Fair Play was such an over-riding concern, then why didn't Shels play fair and tell Bohs about the suspension before the game started ? Fair play my arse....
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Aren't Bohs entitled to 2 weeks notice of any rearranged game? Shels would have to play them the night before the final league game, messing up their preperations or after the league ends, which would certainly be subject to appeal.
It would be opportunistic but i'd be surprised if they didn't at least think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
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Originally Posted by Student Mullet
and with a game on November 14th in Dalymount [Ireland v Scotland B international] and our players on holidays from November 18th/19th I cannot see when this will be played.
2006 - A good year for Irish football......
:D :mad: :D
Thansk to all who offered teh rule book, it was almost thrown at me at one point :) hehe
and I threw the FAI one at you.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth
It's gonna be exciting when the FAI take control of things, what a mess they are.
If this goes to arbitration, who makes the final decision in the process?
Possibly the decision could come down to Paper Scissors Rock. But that system could prove too complex.
Just when you thought they couldn't get any worse,just when you thought they couldn't make another absolutely terrible decision,just when you thought they couldn't be anymore detrimental to our national league.......
Ladies and Gentlemen,i give you........the FAI
never in the field of human sporting has so much damage been done to so many by so few,
I will never attempt to defend the FAI again. Bloody idiots