Give examples please of where I have behaved like a wind up merchant.Quote:
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Give examples please of where I have behaved like a wind up merchant.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
You have got to be joking. You think I have the time you obviously have here?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
KOH
I knew it woudl come down to something personal. Could you not please try to stay on topic and debate the issue that is at hand. IF you are going to make personal remarks about me please back it up with evidence otherwise please retract what you have said about me.
I would like to know the names of all the wind-up merchants who have posted on this thread. It's time for "this sort of thing" to be stamped out.Quote:
t shoudl be plainly obvious that I am not a wind up merchangt. I wish the same could be said for many of the people who post on this thread and others.
"The game is full of players who have played at various levels who dont cut it out tactically or emotionally as a manager"
From a man who thinks Andy Reid should play centre mid for ireland
Amazing
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=3799
Cas is competing proudly under the Irish flag to this day.
lmao geysir , that is hilarious , tricolour flying proudly !!
guys let's not get too wound up with each other , lets just agree that o'leary has made a bit of a mess of his management career ( insert your own degree of mess....) , that both gave their all in the green , and agree to disagree on cas's journalistic talents!!
No he isn't, no he isn't !! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
He's alright as a journalist, not a great manager yet but may be, who knows, he seems like an alrgiht bloke and his tips on Setanta are spot on :)
And O'Leary is a sh!te manager...MR Excuses. £120m spent at Leeds and every week "we need more depth in the squad, the lads are young and developing, but I'm doing a great job with what I have" :rolleyes:
I love the fact that people actually believe someone who has managed at the highest level is a worse manager than someone who has never managed at any level. Sometimes people opinions make my mind boggle but everybody is entitled to their opinion which is the whole point of this forum and long may it continue.
how the fcx is managing Aston Villa to Premiership anonymity equated with managing at the "highest level"
has he won la liga...no
has he done anything at international level.....no
has he won seria a....no
has he won a european trophy....no
he has not managed at the highest level
oh i forgot - the "semi final" appearance (in which he overstretched a small club to the point of near oblivion - great work there dave - and than absolved himself of all blame)
O leary is a shammer
Who said Cascirino was a better manager? Nobody can say one way or the other. Anyone who said O'Leary is better is talking rubbish too...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Yeah - you can't really just look at the Champions League semi and say that was all he achieved at Leeds ... what happened after that was far more significant and it is something that football club are still recovering from and will be recovering from for a good few years yet. You still haven't explained why - if O'Leary is so good - he has failed to win anything as a manager? The acid test, like wws says, is about putting your medals on the table ... and as a manager he has won exactly the same as Cascarino. The only difference is that in the process of winning nothing, Cascarino has not spent over £120 Million, he has not relegated and nearly bankrupted a club with a very strong history in English football, and his actions have not led to hundreds of staff being made redundant.
To be fair to O'Leary that's not his responsibility as a manager. That's his employers' responsibility. All managers look for money to spend - it's up to the Board to give the money or to say no. He would have been the first manager in history to say "No thanks. I don't want the money to spend".
The Leeds Board of the time almost destroyed the club by giving him the money to spend - not O'Leary.
I am no fan of O'Leary but that allegation can't justifiably be laid as his door.
He would have almost certainly given verbal assurances that he would re-pay that investment with on-field success though ... yes, the initial spending was not directly due to him but his failure to spend it effectively was. Leeds would have been lucky to see a quarter of that £120 Million through O'Leary's achievements there.
Good post Owls fan anybody who who does not undestand that point clearly does not know how a football club is run. It is not the job of the football manager or coach to look at the financial aspect of things. They have far too much on their plate. Many of them dont even get involved in the discussion of fees or wages etc.
David O Leary had Leeds finishing in the top 5 consistantly something all of his predecessors failed to do other than Don Revie with the great Leeds team. They are not a club that naturally belongs in that part of the table but he had them there. Wilkinson won the league with them but Leeds nearly got relegated soon after that.
Aston Villa did well for O Learys 1st 2 years in charge but he had a bad season last year. He had Villa finishing 7th one of the seasons. The reason so many fans did not like him at Villa was his his major failing and that is in his dealings with the media. He comes across as smug and aloof from the players and the fans. I think this is his one major flaw and will hinder him throughout his managerial career.
...either has O' Leary's, Risdale's actions did. The club were relegated long after O' Leary had gone and the Chairman was responsible for the erratic spending thus endangering all those jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet
Of course O'Leary's not responsible for them being relegated BUT the fact he was given an open chequebook and still managed to win nothing is ablack mark for his managerial skills. Add in the disgusting expoitation of the Bowyer/Woodgate trail book and you'll find he's not popular with Leeds fans either.
Leeds not a natural top 6 English team??!?
your having a laugh - one of the biggest English cities
and until O Leary rode them rock solid their pedigree and standing in the game had few peers
Looking The English league since ints foundation and I think you will find they have finished outside the top 6 more times than they have not. They have spent large periods in the 2nd tier also.
Name me 6 bigger clubs than Leeds. Historically speaking. I can only think of Liverpool, Everton and Man Utd. Probably Arsenal. At a push Aston Villa. No bodody else would be bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Leeds have won 3 Leagues in Total. This is beaten by Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton, Aston Villa, Sunderland,
and equalled by Chelsea, Hudersfield, Wolves, Newcastle.
They have also spent 30 years outside the top tier since 1920. They have finished in the top 6 of the top flight about 15 times. At least 10 of these times came during the Don Revie era of the late 60s and 70s. 4 of them came During the O leary era. So in that context O leary brought them closer to the Revie era than any other manager on a consistant basis. Wilkinson did it for a two seasons.
Leeds are not a club that belongs in the top 6 of English football. Don Revie took them to that level where they had never been before on any sort of consistant basis. Since then Wilkinson has won a League with them but they have spent large parts of their history in the 2nd tier of English football. O Leary had them finishing 4th, 3rd, 4th and 5th.
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Originally Posted by Dodge
This does not make sense, Leeds are bigger than Leeds.
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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
That makes absolutely no sense.
He says at a push leeds. So by that logic at a push leeds are bigger than Leeds. Funny that you concentrated on the short thread which is easier to understand.
I've edited it for pedants.
yeah , that is Funny!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
hahah
You can edit it all you like its still wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
classic post dodgeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
reminiscient of your earlier work.....did you mean to say "peanuts" though?
Still no explanation as to why O'Leary, the manager, who spent £120 Million won nothing.
Cause the explanation to that was that he was not good enough or the team was not good enough to win anything simple as that. I never said he was a great manager. It is possible to have a more complex view of a guy or a manager. Its not so straight forward as O Leary all good and Cascarino all bad. What is not true is that he did a terrible job with them.
Firstly he achieved a consistancy with Leeds that only Don Revie has beaten
Secondly he did not chose the fees for the players and a lot of that was down to Risdale. So the money allegation is bogus. He identified Rio Ferdinand as a player, they paid 18m and got 30 m for him. The lived beyon their means for a few years and Risdale was the man at fault of that. O Leary got them performing consistanly in the league and was doing a good job, not his fault that the whole thing was based on a lie that Leeds had the money in the first place.
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Originally Posted by wws
I think you are having a laugh as this post has been shown to be one of the most ignorant posts to be posted on this thread.
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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
If you don't understand the place Leeds have in the greater context of English Football than I give up. One of Englands top six footballing cities - and by extension clubs. Your failure to grasp even the slightest link between O Leary's tenure and their subsequent slide is further proof that the ignorance on this topic is displayed mostly by your good self.
no it hasn't. Leeds (and surroundings) is the 4th biggest metropolitan area in England and only 5 clubs have won more league titles. LOL if you don't get the ridden rock solid reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Do you really think £120 Million just to achieve consistancy is good value for money though?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
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Originally Posted by Emmet
I just managers on their achievements as money is not not always a good barometer as a lot of that was down to the poor negotians of Risdale. One classic example was the Seth Johnson case were Johnson was on 8,000 grand a week and Risdale offered a huge amount and then Johnson said he would sleep on it and Risdale rang the next day and doubled it again. This sort of poor managing of the finances was no O Learys fault, he did not judge the fee for the players. That wad down to Risdale.
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Originally Posted by Dodge
I never disputed the actually size of the city, my origigal point is that you can hardly say leeds belong in the top 6 considering they have only done that 12 times before O Leary and 10 of those were the Revie era that I mentioned. You are picking your own stats to back up your argument I used stats that did not back up my argument and ones that did to give a fuller truer picture. They have only finished in the top 6 of English football about 16 times in over a hundred years of League football. So how can anyone say they belong in the top 6 of English football is beyond me. If you take the Revie era out of it they are largely a club that spends its time yo yoing between the top tier and 2nd tier. If fact they have spent twice as much time in the 2nd tier as that they have in the top 6 of English football.
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Originally Posted by wws
I have just proved to you that they have spent more time in the 2nd tier of English football that in the top 6, in fact twice as much time. So where do you get calling me igrnorant as the facts suggest they are not a top six club. They may be in a big city and a large hinterland but they do not belong in the top 6 by right. Also O Leary has got them in the top 6 more times than any other manager other than Revie they are all facts. I have also pointed out that O Leary did not decide the fees for the players that was decided by Risdale and the selling club. O Leary just identifed the players he wanted and coached the team.
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Originally Posted by wws
Again please attack the post not the poster.
Leeds are a top English Club and City for football. anyone in English football will tell you that even their greatest rivals.
O Leary walked out on his country to go on holidays rather than play in the only senior tournament that Ireland have ever won.
[QUOTE=wws]Leeds are a top English Club and City for football. anyone in English football will tell you that even their greatest rivals.
O Leary walked out on his country to go on holidays rather than play in the only senior tournament that Ireland have ever won.[/QUO
I would rather use the facts of the situation like league records to back up my argument but each to their own I suppose.