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Something must have really irked him, he seems a gentleman footballer in the mould of Kilbane.... professional pride on Tuesday will hopefully prevail and then the real business will be done before Greece friendly...Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Don't know what truth you put on this, but the Indo is reporting that Trap could be gone after the Faroes game. Probably a beat up, but there is no smoke....With a few Irish managers looking for employment, maybe they have decided that the time is right to find a replacement.
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...k-3258912.html
The players need to learn their place. Guys like Gibson, Ireland, and Kelly have all turned their back on their country. Shameful.
It's not a question of the quality of player pool available to him. It's a question of whether he was gotten the best out of what's available to him.
Going back to the start of Trapattoni's regime, the initial signs were positive. I recall us playing away to Norway and being extremely impressed we how we retained and controlled the ball. We were extremely comfortable on the ball, passing it around with ease. With the exception of Finnan, Reid and Kilbane, the team that played that game were all available to Trapattoni up to and including the Euros. So there hasn't been a significant change in the pool available to him to stop him from playing a more expansive game. He has chosen a more restrictive approach to games which in fairness to him has gotten the results we needed to qualify for a major championship.
Now that we were completely outplayed in the Euros necessitated that we take stock and look to change. We haven't done so. If anything we are moving towards a more restrictive and primitive approach to games. Trapattoni's comments that we were realistically always going to play second fiddle to Germany and we don't have the players isn't going to inspire confidence in anyone and isn't the rallying call that's needed after a record 6-1 home defeat.
I'm sure Trapattoni's days are numbered now but unfortunately it won't be soon enough for the Faroes, a game where another humiliation would appear to be on the cards.
That Stephen Kelly bust up is another ignominious embarrassment. Kelly by all accounts is a real pro and fairly quiet. I'd have thought he'd be a Trap loyalist despite being left out on Friday too. Sinking ship.
I have a feeling that Trap is one of those managers who treats the players he picks regularly completely different to those generally on the fringes/not being selected.
Its funny though, before many were concerned about these communication issues and it was suggested that it was just being blown out of proportion. Now as the results start changing, everyone believes there is trouble in the camp and communication issues.
The fella who wrote the article is now saying Trap is defo gone regardless of the result tomorrow night.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
I'd agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Why is that modest* players in a team like the Faroes can bridge a huge gap and play a decent effective passing game against a vastly superior team, but we end up by scapegoating individuals in our team as a large part of our weakness?
Fans do love to point out just how cráp such and such a player is, yet the Faroes have a team composed of the cráppiest players in Europe.
Some of our players are certainly not technically great but would function competently in a cohesive unit.
Some players confidence levels are affected more than others. Much of that has to do with the way players are set up to play, is not getting the best out the team and that seeps back into players. When the team tactics hit a brick wall, a string of humiliating games, the justifications for the way we are set up just don't hold water any more. Judging by McGeady, he was like a fish out of water on Friday evening, his confidence levels had dropped lower than his first important game for us, back when he was floundering on the wing in the mud at Slovakia away, he literally threw in the towel after 20 minutes against Germany. He's not grittiest of players but his confidence levels are primarily down to having no confidence in the plan.
* Defintion of modest players - mostly part time players in a local league, ranked amongst the lowest in Europe.
He tweeted: "As per this morning's paper, just a matter of time now before it's all over for Trapattoni. This regime has run its course.'Quote:
Originally Posted by KK77
Seems to be reiterating what was in the paper. I'm not sure if that means he's gone within days or if he's a dead man walking who might hang on for sometime yet.
Hes gone no matter what the result on Tuesday which for me and I'm sure many others is a win-win situation. Get the three points and get rid of a divisive manager. The players meeting on Saturday put and end to Trapatonni's rein.. Delegation to the FAI and that was the end. Doubt anyone is lined up as new manager but you never know.. If O'Brien stumps up the money again don't rule out Redknapp. I would say it will be one of McCarthy or O'Leary. McCarthy has a lot of options so O'Leary who does not might be the frontrunner. It will have to be somebody out of work as there will be on compo payments to get an employed manager out of his contract.
Daniel McDonnell wrote it, enough said. He's a good guy and can be a good journo, but he's been set on removing Trap since the INM battle heated up. The Indo is not good enough for bogroll.Quote:
Originally Posted by KK77
The FAI have been leaking this story to other journos not just McDonnell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Completely agree. It does not seem to be the happiest of camps and Trap strikes me as a guy who would have a core of loyal players around him. In fairness, I remember two of the great United and Liverpool players from the 60s (can't remember which ones) talking about Busby and Shankly and how they would be built up and their egos buttered when they were in the first team, but when they were injured or out of the 1st team, they were worthless. I guess football is a cut throat business.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
What really strikes me is that Trap was loved by many of the players he had when he was a younger and perhaps more enthusiastic manager. Guys like Brady and Hamann mention this and you get the impression they would take a bullet for him. I think I read Markus Babbell commenting on this difference between Trap when he managed Bayern and then moved to manage Stuttgart some years later. Babell hinted at Trap being almost a totally different manager and that he seemed to have lost alot of the interest in for example coaching the younger players etc that he would have previously had.
He's getting his info from Dennis O'Brien afaik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
And pray tell how do you know? Seeing as he's been pushing to get rid of Trap since before DOB forced his way in, it'd be odd that he's continuing the same tune, plus it'd put DOB on a major payout and loss of face. Odd don't you think? Or know?Quote:
Originally Posted by KK77
Doubt it. There's no direct bus...Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
I'll get my coat.
On the whole Trap Out thing it's just like McCarthy all over again for me.
I wanted McCarthy gone after WC2002 not because I didn't want him as a manager but because of the obvious vitriol waiting in the wings once the next campaign got off to a bad start. He should have went on a high.
Likewise, after the Euros, and regardless of the results there Trap should have left simply because this campaign was never gonna top the highs of the last 2 for him.
I don't want to have bad memories of this guy; I still sometimes pinch myself at a manager like him being our coach. But he has taken us as far as he can 6-1 hammering or not.
It's a shame it's come to this.
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There is way more than that, ones who consider themselves seasoned and reasoned posters on here, and one in particular who takes the populous opinion of the time, and yet in the past made out we were over-reacting with all these issues and it was being blown out of proportion. One in particular was going on like he had inside information and an air of arrogance how he deduced his information coming to the conclusion that his reading of the situation was more correct than anyone else. From the start its always been obvious there were problems with Trap and his communication and how he got on with some players. Its only been highlighted and taken heed of now because the results have followed the inevitable performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I'd be happy to name and shame them :D
I'm very worried about where we might go in this campaign with a new manager. I still(perhaps want to instead of) believe if Trap made the changes necessary and adapted that he could still get the results if he could keep all players onside, away from home. The likes of o'leary seriously worry me, even mccarthy he is too loyal and would make the same mistakes as Trap.
It was shakermaker who made that initial quote. I was merely being "witty" about the resident space cadet.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Why don't you then? You're always referring to posters here by how you perceive their attributes. Stop hiding and spit it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I share your concerns about Mick making same mistakes, but I think he'd be a lot better. I still highly rate Trap's away record and wish we could continue on same basis, but we are now rubbish at home and rubbish against strong teams. That's not just down to the quality of the players.
No he's not, he's getting it from FAI sources. O'Brien has no influence at the Indo, hence why he's always suing his own journalists.Quote:
Originally Posted by KK77
Well I don't want to embarrass any of them as I'd imagine at this stage they are embarrassed enough. Don't worry stutts you're not one of them :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Ya i'd think if he could scrape those wins, but we never really had an austria or a sweden to beat away from home. And slovakia arent as good as sweden, and we could only draw with them anyway. We had no team as good as austria that we beat before, macedonia or armenia the closest
Austria are currently ranked 59th in the world. Armenia were ranked 44th when we beat them at homeQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Armenia were plateauing due to recent results, while Austria are probably ranked lower than their true ability. I think we'll probably find they're about the same in terms of overall quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I can assure you he is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Your sources are unreliable then.Quote:
Originally Posted by KK77
No not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Tets point taken, but those rankings in my opinion are never really accurate. CD, i reckon it would be easier to get a win out in Armenia than it would be in Vienna.
I also think it would be a lot easier to beat Armenia at home.
McCarthy would be a step backwards. Time for new blood.
Right who is still in the Trap camp? Don't be shy.....
Also what about these Harry Redknapp rumours I read this morning. Would that be something that posters would like to see?
How the hell could we afford him?
Do we need an Irish manager?
We need somebody who will prioritise bringing through the next generation rather than somebody who comes in to make the best of what we have to get results, like Trap. Unfortunately the FAI and the Irish public will demand immediate results.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
I want him. Might bring a few lads like Noble, O'Hara, Naughton etc with himQuote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Redknapp would jump ship just after austria game when an offer in the premiership came in for him.
I actually think international football would suit him, I think he would get the best out of what we have - granted he used to always make an awful lot of signings. There isn't really a whole lot of decent candidates out there. I like someone young like deschamps, fresh ideas, i dont see him leaving france though :D Coyle might not be a bad idea. I think at the moment we need someone with good man management skills.
I've a friend who says we need to send an SOS out to all premier league teams a bit like Jack did.
Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Is Noble & O'Hara any better than what we have in CM? I hope we never see them in an Ireland shirt!!
When has he ever made the best of what he had? He has always had a lot of money to work with and generally his position in the league has been a reflection of the club's financial power or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
He's also pretty culpable for the mess Portsmouth are in at the moment
I think it would be nigh on crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Like all the other times we have had Venables linked to us. It would sicken me.
That's funny because the entire thread up to that post was unanimously in favour of Trap leaving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongbow10
Maybe getting in Redknapp would be a good money-making method for the FAI. Sign him up to an 18-month contract and if he walks away before it's completion to a Premier League side then the FAI are due compensation. God, I hope none of this happens.
Redknapp, Trap or Venables or anyone of their ilk could currently be seen as mere mercenaries in relation to the job and it's current context. A younger manager would be seen as ideal. If there are funds available, how about testing Brian McDermott's loyalty to Reading? His desire to manage Ireland isn't immediate but if he was sought out then it could prove too good to be refused.
Coyle is a very good option. As a young manager with plenty energy and vibrance and base in England, he'd be more than willing to see the talent at our disposal and how to incorporate it if possible. He'd probably be a cheap enough option, given that his wages at Burnley should he take the job there would hardly be astronomical and he is a free agent. He's passionate with a strong Irish identity and would surely prove a strong leader to James McCarthy and Aiden McGeady as Glaswegians of Irish descent, with both players being quite integral to the future of our midfield.
As I've stated, there are some quite good players at our disposal were a new manager set on employing a better brand of football than Trap. But, even at that, whereas tiki-taka football hasn't been the prime trait of Irish football in the past, spirit, workrate and hunger have been. These weren't on show Friday night. And if you can argue that they were, then the likes of O'Dea and Ward aren't of the requisite standard to apply these traits to international football. There are willing alternatives who should be able to do so.