FAI Investigate Alleged Racist Abuse Of Zayed

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Originally Posted by Magicme

Maybe I'm missing something but whats this got to do with Louise? She is out of the country at the moment so dont understand how she is being dragged into this.

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Pats were singing she gives good head and takes it up the arse to wind up Zayed during the game.

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Originally Posted by Red Army

You obviously never meet the lads who own it. I think one of them bumped into a few Shels fans a few weeks ago which made the national news.

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I'll admit ignorance. I'm genuinely surprised by this. Do tell me more. Is there a link or anything? What do other Cork fans make of these chaps? Essentially, how do they get away with the display of such iconography if the intent behind it is clearly tied in with the idea of white power and all that nonsense?

Then you've the Cork GAA fans who fly the Confederate flag - granted, the colours are the same, but still slightly off-putting.

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Originally Posted by culloty82

Then you've the Cork GAA fans who fly the Confederate flag - granted, the colours are the same, but still slightly off-putting.

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I don't believe there's any racist intent behind that though, is there? Just has to do with the colours, no? Red Army seems to be suggesting that Cork City have a far-right element within their support who wave flags that don't just happen to feature symbolism also associated with neo-Nazism, but, presumably, because they feature symbolism associated with neo-Nazism.

Look on the bright side - finally LoI footage featured on mainstream RTE news!

If something was said (at either game), then it should be investigated and justice allowed to prevail. The fact that the mainstream media, and the usual "barstoolers", are all over this to justify their own prejudices is ridiculous.

btw, not sure what the comments (as posted above - I wasn't at either game) about his sister have to do with anything - it might be vulgar, but it's not racist imho. I hope that wasn't the catalyst for the complaints.

I think we need to accept FINALLY that the media are just happy to sell their product to customers and advertisers - just look at the big GAA stories - drool dripping over the Louth-Meath qualifier and Offaly hurlers being locked out of training. Even in the silly season the only think of interest to the sky leaguers is the Ryan Giggs/Footballers (and their brothers) Wives saga.

To boost his profile EZ would be an idiot, and those around him idiots, to put forward a racist claim without some basis. He'd be a virtual untouchable for doing this.

Hopefully Zayed gets punished by FAI if/when these allegations go unproven. Also, what his sister posted on twitter about Shams fans was a disgrace

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

You'd be living in denial if you were to assume that only six foot something brick ****houses with tattoos on their eyelids were the harbourers of racist and prejudiced attitudes in Ireland. You'll be just as likely to find it a lot closer to home actually, in perfectly ordinary and amiable living rooms across the country.

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Of course. It is also worth remembering that one doesn't have to be a six foot brick ****house in order to kick the crap through someone like me! A 14 year old girl could probably do a pretty effective job!

The defensiveness on this thread is ludicrous. Haven't seen too many posters assuming guilt on the part of Rovers and Pats, but there's pretty much a queue forming to baselessly slam Zayed. He's the one actually speaking out and has the most at stake, but people are presuming he simply made it up for attention or to get in the Dublin Super Cup squad or because his sister's the antichrist or something. Jesus wept.

White Irish Libyan bloke with massive ego is upset that Pats fans are slagging his sister so he uses the race card. He's gonna look like a bigger sap than he already is at the end of this. I'd imagine he'll get a lot of stick from away fans after this...

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

Hopefully Zayed gets punished by FAI if/when these allegations go unproven. Also, what his sister posted on twitter about Shams fans was a disgrace

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Hibs 4 ever hows he a disgrace. IF a player has been abused raciestly would YOU not come out and talk about it. If a player has raciestly abused another player they are of course going to DENY it as the embarrassement of saying it in the heat of the moment could lead to him being suspended or even sacked from the club. Things are said in the heat of the moment, football is competitive and meant to be just a game. But for people to come on here and say a PLAYER would intentionally come out and try and blame a fellow player for making up that he has been racially abused is a disgrace.

Erm Flexy, last time such a situation occurred the player immediately admitted to what he said and apologised. Interestingly it doesn't seem that anyone has overheard what went on this time, whilst there was also a very limited amount of time any confrontation between the two players could have occurred, and to the entire watching crowd nothing of any controversy took place on the field, let alone to the point where something so offesnive "in the heat of the moment" would have been uttered.

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Originally Posted by Jicked

Erm Flexy, last time such a situation occurred the player immediately admitted to what he said and apologised. Interestingly it doesn't seem that anyone has overheard what went on this time, whilst there was also a very limited amount of time any confrontation between the two players could have occurred, and to the entire watching crowd nothing of any controversy took place on the field, let alone to the point where something so offesnive "in the heat of the moment" would have been uttered.

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It's entirely plausible a player said something out of earshot of everyone else and Zayed simply got on with the game. Could equally accuse the player in question of being savvy enough to ensure he has deniability. Both insinuations are a bit crass at this point IMO.

I wonder if this was a Shams/Pats player would everyone be so critical of them for making a complaint?

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Originally Posted by Dave_SRFC

White Irish Libyan bloke with massive ego is upset that Pats fans are slagging his sister so he uses the race card. He's gonna look like a bigger sap than he already is at the end of this. I'd imagine he'll get a lot of stick from away fans after this...

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Has he not been getting enough stick already? Nothing like trying to get on with your job when others are singing crap about your sisters sex life at you:confused: I wasn't there nor know what was supposedly said so I can't jump to conclusions like some of you lot have done!

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Originally Posted by Red Army

You obviously never meet the lads who own it. I think one of them bumped into a few Shels fans a few weeks ago which made the national news.

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one guy owned and made that banner - we didnt realise what the symbols meant - he did - he was told to remove it when it was pointed out to us what it represented and he did immediately

I dont think that guy was involved up in Shels though I could be wrong. he certainly wasn't injured in any way

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My own opinion is that the abuse he got has been taken as being racial abuse. I don't really get how one person was heard by someone on the pitch and not by any other Pats fans or nearby stewards ( from what I know no one heard it ) . If someone had've said something racist I think Pats fans would've reacted to it. We certainly would've in the SEI section of the ground as it's not something we want to be associated with or have Pats associated with in anyway. Hopefully it gets sorted out soon.

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Originally Posted by Flexy

Hibs 4 ever hows he a disgrace. IF a player has been abused raciestly would YOU not come out and talk about it. If a player has raciestly abused another player they are of course going to DENY it as the embarrassement of saying it in the heat of the moment could lead to him being suspended or even sacked from the club. Things are said in the heat of the moment, football is competitive and meant to be just a game. But for people to come on here and say a PLAYER would intentionally come out and try and blame a fellow player for making up that he has been racially abused is a disgrace.

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Nice rant, but read my post again, I never called him a disgrace :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

The defensiveness on this thread is ludicrous. Haven't seen too many posters assuming guilt on the part of Rovers and Pats, but there's pretty much a queue forming to baselessly slam Zayed. He's the one actually speaking out and has the most at stake, but people are presuming he simply made it up for attention or to get in the Dublin Super Cup squad or because his sister's the antichrist or something. Jesus wept.

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It's probable that the Rovers player made a racist remark. Yes, Zayed is 'speaking out' but this issue should be 'spoken in' - let the league and the clubs deal with it and don't involve the media. Now, who sent this to the media? The ref? The FAI? The LOI is not a racist league - there are announcements before every match in every ground warning fans. I have almost never heard a racist comment from a fan. There is no need to 'speak out' - this bullsh1t in the media projects an unfair, damaging picture of the league.

Feel sorry for Zayed. He's a good bloke - and one of the most articulate players in the league. He won't enjoy this publicity. (Can't quite imagine what specific racial taunt an abusive could actually aim at him...)

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Originally Posted by born2bwild

It's probable that the Rovers player made a racist remark.

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Why is it probable? It's every bit as probable that he didn't make any racist remark. Zayed could have misheard what was said, he could have made it up totally - we just don't know. The only two people who know the truth is Zayed himself and the player he's accusing. Speculating about probabilities and so on is pointless.

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Originally Posted by born2bwild

It's probable that the Rovers player made a racist remark. Yes, Zayed is 'speaking out' but this issue should be 'spoken in' - let the league and the clubs deal with it and don't involve the media. Now, who sent this to the media? The ref? The FAI? The LOI is not a racist league - there are announcements before every match in every ground warning fans. I have almost never heard a racist comment from a fan. There is no need to 'speak out' - this bullsh1t in the media projects an unfair, damaging picture of the league.

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Appears Kenny is the one who made it public. Zayed hasn't said a single thing to the media from what I've seen. The complaint has been made through the proper channels and is now being investigated.

Clearly Kenny has made some comment on it, but your obsession with the meedja is a bit weird - do you really think this wouldn't have come out anyway? The quality of journalism in Ireland may be faltering but there are a few who do actually do their job. And, besides, it's important complaints of this nature are thoroughly investigated in a transparent fashion.

Maybe it could've been kept wrapped a little longer, but these things invariably come out and it doesn't make a whole heap of difference when. Far more important is how the FAI et al react. Any bad PR caused by it will be alleviated by swift and decisive action by the authorities.

Every league has occasional race issues. And anyone with an ounce of sense will understand that. The rest can jump.

I see that Shams were quick enough to get their press release out defending their player. Yet they still have not issued a statement apologising for the actions of their supporters in Richmond Park after the Cup semi replay last year. Some of those who run Shams are still in denial over that.

I'm not surprised that this has happened. I've no idea who the player in question is but I've narrowed it down to one or two in my own mind.

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Originally Posted by hoopy

'Racial abuse' to me has always meant someone receiving unwanted comments over their skin colour or religion. It's scandalous for anyone to have to put up with that. But is calling someone 'you dublin junkie', or 'you effin redneck' or 'you (enter City here) c***' regarded as 'racial abuse'? I haven't a clue what went on last night but seeing as Zayed isn't black I'm assuming if someone did say something to him it had to be along the lines of 'you Libyan so and so',even though he was born in Dublin. It's the only thing I can think of what was allegedly said. If this is what was said is it 'racial abuse'? Gary Twigg's called a 'Scottish c***' by opposition fans(and by an opposition manager a few weeks back), is this 'racial abuse'?

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This has been done to death.
The difference between abusing someone of being a culchie or a junkie etc and abusing someone of their racial ethnicity is that racial ethnicity has produced some of the worst descrimination the world has seen. It has been used the world over to subjugate and brutalise whole peoples, that is the difference, and in my eyes quite a noticeable difference.
As for the "keep it in house" brigade, your a disgrace, something as socially thorny as racism should be tackled head on and in full public view, not just swept under the carpet.
And as for Mc Guineass for what he said he is a disgrace and I never wanted him at our club and still dont, I think a club should have principles and that neanderthal evidently doesnt.
Whether this proves to be accurate or not remains to be seen, lambasting Zayed and rubbishing his claims because he is media savy is ridiculous until we have some genuine findings, not that that will ever happen if its left to the FAI.

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Appears Kenny is the one who made it public. Zayed hasn't said a single thing to the media from what I've seen. The complaint has been made through the proper channels and is now being investigated.

Clearly Kenny has made some comment on it, but your obsession with the meedja is a bit weird - do you really think this wouldn't have come out anyway? The quality of journalism in Ireland may be faltering but there are a few who do actually do their job. And, besides, it's important complaints of this nature are thoroughly investigated in a transparent fashion.

Maybe it could've been kept wrapped a little longer, but these things invariably come out and it doesn't make a whole heap of difference when. Far more important is how the FAI et al react. Any bad PR caused by it will be alleviated by swift and decisive action by the authorities.

Every league has occasional race issues. And anyone with an ounce of sense will understand that. The rest can jump.

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I work in an environment where racist remarks are made occasionally. They are dealt with very severely. In an environment where everyone knows it's wrong that's the only way to deal with it.

I don't think I'm 'obsessed' with the media. I am suspicious of them; good news is no news and bad news can never be bad enough so putting this into the public arena can only have one outcome: bad publicity for the LOI. There's nothing 'weird' about being concerned about the public image of the LOI; it's basic common sense.

I agree with you - the FAI's reaction is crucial now. It should be managed so that it becomes a good news story.

By the way, it's not clear from your link that Kenny was the source for the incident on Monday: "It subsequently emerged through Derry manager Stephen Kenny in post match interviews Zayed had also been racially abused by sections of the home crowd during last Friday’s match". Kenny is cited here only as the source of the incident in Inchicore

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Originally Posted by Rasputin

This has been done to death.

As for the "keep it in house" brigade, your a disgrace, something as socially thorny as racism should be tackled head on and in full public view, not just swept under the carpet.

Whether this proves to be accurate or not remains to be seen, lambasting Zayed and rubbishing his claims because he is media savy is ridiculous until we have some genuine findings, not that that will ever happen if its left to the FAI.

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I don't think this needs to be bashed out in public. Neither do I think that it should be swept under the carpet. There should be formal inquiries and sanctions on players and clubs who are found to be guilty of making racist remarks.

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Originally Posted by born2bwild

I don't think I'm 'obsessed' with the media. I am suspicious of them; good news is no news and bad news can never be bad enough so putting this into the public arena can only have one outcome: bad publicity for the LOI. There's nothing 'weird' about being concerned about the public image of the LOI; it's basic common sense.

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Of course, but what I mean is you seem particularly interested in how the news broke. I don't think it matters - it would've broke eventually regardless, and the PR hit would've been the same. Could've been worse, actually, if it broke later and nothing had been done.

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Originally Posted by born2bwild

By the way, it's not clear from your link that Kenny was the source for the incident on Monday: "It subsequently emerged through Derry manager Stephen Kenny in post match interviews Zayed had also been racially abused by sections of the home crowd during last Friday’s match". Kenny is cited here only as the source of the incident in Inchicore

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Sorry wrong link - was reading both the Irish Times and Indo this morning and got mixed up. Here it is.

"Derry manager Stephen Kenny made the issue public after the game, but said the player himself didn't want to talk about the incident."

Unclear what incident they're referring to, but it seems to me the Rovers complaint broke post game and Kenny made comment of the Pats one while he was on it. Seems clear Zayed was sought for comment but refused.

Well Kenny was losing the rag at the match big time. Thanks for that link - what an article - brings up the McGuinness story, quotes like this "He has recounted several incidents in his blog, in which he recalled being called "a black b*****d", "a Muslim" and a "shoe bomber" on separate occasions during his career" lovely story. This is why I'm obsessed with the media - **** all about the really great game of ball that took place in Richmond park last week or for that matter the high quality of passing football played by rovers in the first twenty five minutes the other night or the tactical battle in the second half.
Why should this have broken anyway? It's non-event. In the heat of the game someone said something offensive and it should be dealt with accordingly.

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Originally Posted by born2bwild

Why should this have broken anyway? It's non-event. In the heat of the game someone said something offensive and it should be dealt with accordingly.

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Are you seriously saying a complaint of racial abuse is a non-event? I might need to lie down...

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Are you seriously saying a complaint of racist abuse is a non-event? I might need to lie down...

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I don't think clubs should be mentioned without any actual proof

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Are you seriously saying a complaint of racial abuse is a non-event? I might need to lie down...

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I meant it should be a non-event as far as the media are concerned - by and large they don't care if the league lives or dies - it's a non-event because it is not a common occurrence, in my experience. As soon as the media gets hold of it it's put into an article like the one you linked to and it starts to look like there's a problem with racism in the LOI. There isn't a problem; that's why I'm saying it's a non-event.

As an internal matter for the FAI and the league it is far from a non-event. If true, it's very serious and there should be serious punishment dished out to clubs or players who are found guilty.

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Originally Posted by Rasputin

This has been done to death.
The difference between abusing someone of being a culchie or a junkie etc and abusing someone of their racial ethnicity is that racial ethnicity has produced some of the worst descrimination the world has seen. It has been used the world over to subjugate and brutalise whole peoples, that is the difference, and in my eyes quite a noticeable difference.
As for the "keep it in house" brigade, your a disgrace, something as socially thorny as racism should be tackled head on and in full public view, not just swept under the carpet.
And as for Mc Guineass for what he said he is a disgrace and I never wanted him at our club and still dont, I think a club should have principles and that neanderthal evidently doesnt.
Whether this proves to be accurate or not remains to be seen, lambasting Zayed and rubbishing his claims because he is media savy is ridiculous until we have some genuine findings, not that that will ever happen if its left to the FAI.

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Boco was offered an apology and it was accepted. If you cant move on thats your problem, no-one elses, and has nothing to do with the club.

it would be so refreshing to just once come on here and read a rovers supporters say something along the lines that I hope this allegation is not true but if it is the player must leave the club instead of runnig to the ramparts to man the guns everytime somebody says anything unsavoury that may have happened due to there players/supporters etc.
either way this is not good news because if its true then shame on the player (not the Club) and if its not true then shame on the boy crying wolf.

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Originally Posted by born2bwild

I meant it should be a non-event as far as the media are concerned - by and large they don't care if the league lives or dies - it's a non-event because it is not a common occurrence, in my experience. As soon as the media gets hold of it it's put into an article like the one you linked to and it starts to look like there's a problem with racism in the LOI. There isn't a problem; that's why I'm saying it's a non-event.

As an internal matter for the FAI and the league it is far from a non-event. If true, it's very serious and there should be serious punishment dished out to clubs or players who are found guilty.

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Just because it's not widespread or a huge problem doesn't make it a non-event. Racism isn't widespread in the EPL either, but it's big news when a player reports it and rightly taken seriously. And the EPL has far more racism problems than the LOI.

I think you're overstating how much damage this story will do. Whoever uses this story as a stick to beat the league with are the kind of Mansenalpool jersey wearing EPL barstooling braindeads who long ago made up their mind on the LOI. Anyone with a bit of sense knows racism isn't a huge problem in the LOI. So it's far more important every complaint gets the right attention, than minimising whatever PR damage that might occur.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

I don't think clubs should be mentioned without any actual proof

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Don't see how it could be avoided. If the story's going to come out, then so will the clubs involved. If the players (and Rovers) are proved innocent, then no problem - Zayed gets all the flak and everything goes back to normal.

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Originally Posted by passerrby

it would be so refreshing to just once come on here and read a rovers supporters say something along the lines that I hope this allegation is not true but if it is the player must leave the club

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I'm sure most Rovers fans would be thinking that but why should he have to leave the club when a good suspension is the norm? Also, sadly a lot of people on here and elsewhere want this to be true(of course que the 'typical Rovers arrogance' etc) because it it Shamrock Rovers. For example why didn't you include Pats in that comment instead of just Rovers?

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Originally Posted by redobit

Boco was offered an apology and it was accepted. If you cant move on thats your problem, no-one elses, and has nothing to do with the club.

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This was one of the reasons Boco didn't resign some people then spread rumours it was about money. He never publicly accepted any apology.

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Originally Posted by Red Army

This was one of the reasons Boco didn't resign some people then spread rumours it was about money. He never publicly accepted any apology.

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Just because he didnt publicly accept it dosent mean he didnt accept it. He still stuck around and trained with the club for 3 weeks, with McGuinness too, and also said he had no problem with McG coming to the club. And as for the money thing, Boco was a money grabber plain and simple, everyone knows that.

Back on point, heard a name of player supposedly involved and Id just say, if its true, Im not suprised.

I really don't think anyone playing in Tallaght has ever been on the receiving end of racist abuse. This thread should be locked as SRFC are not only the biggest group of angles you'll ever meet but also Ireland's model club.

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Originally Posted by mrtndvn

I really don't think anyone playing in Tallaght has ever been on the receiving end of racist abuse. This thread should be locked as SRFC are not only the biggest group of angles you'll ever meet but also Ireland's model club.

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Point proven

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Originally Posted by mrtndvn

the biggest group of angles you'll ever meet

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I've been called a right eejit many times but never a right angle.