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I don't see they are related. Illegal drugs are not regulated by the state. Everyone knows the risks & as adults they make their own decisions. You can blame the state for crime but ultimately there will always be illegal drugs no matter how many criminals & gangs prosecuted.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
I don't think that stat in Primetime last night wasn't very well explained. 92% of pubs found traces of cocaine? How long does traces of cocaine last? If it only lasts a couple of days then it's alarming, but if you can detect usage over the past year then it's pretty expected.
Out of interest, how much is cocaine? Never used it nor intend to, just curious as to what a line costs.
They're not related, but Bertie Pays Tribute to Fallen Model is a better headline than Bertie is a Lying Sack of Crap any day of the week as far as he is concerned. Personally I think the government has to take flak for not providing adequate funding for people trying to get off illegal and legal substances. I don't blame the government for my own previous drug use, but there would be a curtailing of these gangs providing illegal drugs, they could legalise and regulate itQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
You can't buy a line, a gram costs anywhere between €50-100 I believe, could be wrong though as I don't use the stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by shedite
cost depends on type, dealer, amount etc etc from 30 up to about 150 depending on who you know .
Coke is a losers drug , people that take coke do so because it gives them confidence or make them feel great grow a pair of balls. It doesnt make you high or stoned or wired . it makes you loud and annoying and a self obsessed ********.
You might have guessed ive very little time for it :D it offers nothing .
You'll pay less than £50 for a gram which will get you a (good) few lines depending on how you cut it. Considering you'll pay £3.50+ for a pint in London it's not particularly expensive and is certainly no longer the preserve of the rich.
It's a short term buzz that gives you confidence but as with all drugs if you are using it to fill an emotional hole you'll quickly find out that it controls you rather than vice-versa. I don't so much have an issue with why people choose to use it (as long as they know the pro's & con's) but for me the fact that it will be cut with all sorts of crap, rat poison & washing detergent to name but 2 is what scares me off. You have no idea what you are ingesting into your system and that is where the con's outweigh the pro's in my eyes.
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Originally Posted by endabob1
What puts me off apart from the usual stuff of it makes you act like an idiot , is that the human body has evolved the nose in such a away that it keeps small particles of dust out of the nasal cavity , then people go snort a highly toxic gram of power up there. And people are surprised it does them no good :rolleyes:
Really? Please, in that case Pete, tell us the risks of mixing cocaine, alcohol and MDMA, or, say, if there's a difference between swallowing and snorting cocaine.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
The important point is that people know exactly how drugs work, not just that they are bad full stop. We always have and always will do things that are dangerous. But we rationalise, move away from a worst case scenario and think it probably won't happen to us - otherwise you'd never cross a road, get in a plane, whatever. Probability will catch up eventually but such inevitability can be delayed by taking as many precautions as possible. The Safe Drugs Code needs to be published. Accept that people will cross the road, then give them advice on how to do so as safely as possible.
(PS; Anyone else spot who our newest member is? Gave me a good chuckle anyway. edit; it was, just changed though, Tony Montana!)
You sure? A 12 year old girl just called to my door asking if I'd like to buy a line.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
You live in a sick, drug enduced stupor though, so that's discounted :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
I know, it's, ah, terrible, but there was hardly a need to publicise it to everyone else. Maybe if the dealers stopped sending those sweet little girls to my door... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Do you think that could possibly be implemented, at any stage in the future?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
The two biggest problems, as I see it, are ganglandia and all that goes with it, and tampered drugs. So if you take that as your frame of reference then legalisation would appear to be the best way forward. Government gets money that was going to drug dealers, and controls the quality and supply of the drugs.
But how would that work? Where would the supply come from? Would governments negotiate with Colombian and Afghan drug barons? Also, the market will still exist, so prices must be maintained at such a level that prohibits lay drug dealers from entering the market and undercutting the government. If it's a pan-European market would the poorer economies' supply be hijacked and sold on for profit in richer countries? Would everyone get a quota of drugs and could I sell my surplus to addicts? Would visiting bands not tour if they couldn't get coke? As you can see, I'm finding it very hard to get my head around the practicalities!
For my first time thinking about legalisation, it seems like a behemoth of a task that might not work out at all as planned. But if we agree that the problems that prohibition undeniably creates are mounting then a panacea is not essential, but a measure to improve things is. Is legalisation or drastic increases in sentences/ kind of a zero tolerance criminalisation better?
I just read that a bit too quick and thought you saidQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
You can buy it online :eek:
You are, of course, absolutely right in what you say but, where I was going was similiar to drink driving. We still have a big drink driving problem but noweher near what it was. The factor that has been key in reducing drink driving is the likelihood of getting caught. There are still plonkers who do it but most people I know have changed their habits.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Similiar on drugs - you are right - no one thing is going to eliminate demand but I would argue that the "casual user" (whatever that is) would be deterred if there was a likelihood of getting caught.
Having said all of that, I am talking theoretically as I have no clinical experience in addiction, chemicals, psychology etc
Actually there is a Canadian website where you can buy acid, weed and magic mushrooms, and they will ship them to you, not sure if they do coke though, honestly, no fooling and all thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Ash
I have my doubts, sounds like an old wives - or The Star - tale to me. Where is it?
Why didnt you report this to the police at the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
In my opinion a lot of the drug acceptance in this country is due to lack of responsibility by the people. On the several occassions i have been offered drugs in Dublin at night i instantly report it to the police and point out the person. If everyone had the same civic responsibility drug use would dwindle.
There is definetly a canadian site that posts weed , i think they do mushrooms i would be surprised if they did acid but i bet there is one out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
Probably the one I PMed to Dahamsta, texted a mate for the addy and he told me you can't get acid there anymore as it's too high risk for the owners of the site, coke could never be bought off it thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by anto1208
No that is true and i've heard of quite a few people around who use it. Not everything gets through but all the person gets is a letter from customs saying that a letter has been intercepted and it's up to them to query it. Obviously anyone of sane mind would leave it alone. They also offer to reship it if it doesn't get through.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
Not going to list the name cos I don't want to ruin anyone's party!:D
Yeah I was just going to say Jebus, if you're referring to Budmail, then they only do weed/hash and mushrooms. Never saw acid or coke advertised when I was, er, researching the site for a college project. It's very good value, and no silica sprayed on either.
Out of curiosity, where and what? I was smoking outside a pub in the city centre one Saturday afternoon last year when two, I'd guess 18 year old, knackers offered to sell my friend and I some crack. We rejected the kind offer. Never occurred to me to tell the police mind you.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
That's an interesting topic, a bit like the other thread on the neighbour shooting the burglar. What is the extent of our civic duty and should we bulwark our society by taking the law into our own hands or being as tattle-taley as possible to abet the police force?Quote:
Why didnt you report this to the police at the time?
But, say, do you report to bouncers when (definitely not if!) someone is too drunk? What about breaking red lights? No, I'd imagine. I don't think it's really in human nature to interfere in another's business like that. Of course if it's a major problem for society then maybe we should start. Drugs are probably pretty suitable seeing as though so many people (certainly on Prime Time on Monday) claim they could get you coke within an hour. The idea doesn't sit easily with me though I must say. Clearly RebelArmyExile was the squealer in his class. :p
AAHHHHH dont name the site or how it works you will have the lazy reporters doing an expose on it and joe duffy will have a show on it and with in a day mary harney will have it all intercepted.