Defibrillators

i did a first adi course before and was trold that under irish law if you give first aid to somebody (well cpr or diffib) they cannot sue you afterward for damage caused... i.e if you give someone cpr or the heimlik (spell that) and break their ribs tehy have no legal standing against you..

but i suppose in the case of a defibrillator they might have a case against somebody if they were shocked unintentionall becasue of misuse of the equipment or if the equipment was faulty....?????

The machines will not shock someone who doesn't need it. That's the whole point. If the machine's faulty, that's hardly your fault.

ya but it doesnt stop the person who was been shocked as a result of a fault sue SOMEBODY like i said.

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Originally Posted by MojoPin

ya but it doesnt stop the person who was been shocked as a result of a fault sue SOMEBODY like i said.

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but it stops them winning

Anyone can sue me for something I didn't do. I'd be glad of the time off work

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Good Samaritan Bill 2005 being discussed in the Dáil.

Didn't read through it, but I was told when I was being trained in the AED that the principle applied in Ireland.

It's happened once in England - a man fell from a bike in one of those motorcycle scramble things, and was dragged out of the way by the St John crew. He was paralysed because of it, and sued St John in England, but the judge ruled that if he'd been left, there was a bike about to land on him and do a lot worse than paralyse him. Got thrown out of court, essentially, for being an ungrateful ****. English law usually acts as the starting point here, although it hasn't been tested as far as I know.

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I've seen English case law quoted in written judgements from the courts.

The defib is practically idiot proof. Tells you what to do and when or if to do it. Wonder could junior/schoolboy clubs get grants fom the local councils for them

Not wanting to make light of a serious topic but I only remember the Good Samaritan Law from Seinfeld. :)

The company that supplies them is based in Stillorgan in Dublin. If anyone wants their details PM me (because I don't want to be seen to be advertising, because I'm not! We have 2 in our job and my mate works there and he got us a deal)

This issue has been raised again up with us. Some of you may know but, a man unfortunately lost his life in the terraces at Finn Park from a heart attack. There was a defibrillator in the ambulance but it was in vain.

The club will be sending a few reps to Dublin on a coarse to use these defribrillators in the next few weeks. They are also in the process of purchasing one for Finn Park. I think it should be made compulsary for license requirements for next season. Maybe the FAI could use all these fines they're handing out to purchase a defribrillator for each club.

The FAI purchased 4 defibrillators recently and held a "competition" between clubs for them. 2 were for Premier & 2 were for 1st division and they are going to provide the training. I dont think all clubs put their names forward for them, which is a disgrace if that is the case, but I am delighted that Monaghan United were awarded one in the draw. Myself and a few others will be taking up the training.

AFAIK there are plans to provide all clubs with them in the coming year too.

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Originally Posted by Magicme

The FAI purchased 4 defibrillators recently and held a "competition" between clubs for them. 2 were for Premier & 2 were for 1st division and they are going to provide the training. I dont think all clubs put their names forward for them, which is a disgrace if that is the case, but I am delighted that Monaghan United were awarded one in the draw. Myself and a few others will be taking up the training.

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I think Harps were the other one in the first div, im not sure though. I thought it was just for training, and 2 clubs at a time. :confused:

No they are providing the equipment and training. 2 clubs in each division at the moment but think it will be rolled out to all clubs eventually.

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I dont think all clubs put their names forward for them, which is a disgrace if that is the case

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Some already have them.

Thats fair enough. Never thought of that!

This company are providing the GAA with defibs.
I've been told they are giving a special offer to Soccer clubs now too.
www.hearts.ie

Every team should have one. At our own club David Freeman is out for the season with a heart complain. See todays mirror and www.ltfc.ie. Thankfully it didnt happen on the field of play or god only knows what may have happened.We wish him well.

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Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

This issue has been raised again up with us. Some of you may know but, a man unfortunately lost his life in the terraces at Finn Park from a heart attack. There was a defibrillator in the ambulance but it was in vain.

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Jaysis, sorry to hear that, did this happen recently?

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Originally Posted by Raheny Red

Jaysis, sorry to hear that, did this happen recently?

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Friday night, was ****in terrible to see. Put the hole result and everything into perspective.

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Friday night, was ****in terrible to see. Put the hole result and everything into perspective.

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http://www.finnharps.com/homepage.htm

Was at funeral this morning with Sam Heggy.

It was really hard to take for all involved with Harps, the man supported Harps from day one and travelled nearly an hour from home to Finn Park, week in, week out.
As I said above, the defib unfortunately didnt help in this case, but it could make a real difference in future cases (hopefully not needed though) The club officials going on this coarse can only be a good thing.
Our Chairman, John Campbell has made a valid point, he says that each club or organisation should have the likes of a defib present. They should be there for training, etc and not just for official match days.
Local schools up here have started fund-raising in the last few weeks in order to purchase a defibrillator, each club/organisation should do the same imo.

Frightening!!
You'd think the government would sort out some type of funding for these machines!! :confused: