http://www.independent.ie/national-n...y-1074141.html
Seems to have been a large spate of these in the last week, very sad. We have three of these in work, just wondering how many clubs have them, i know Dublin City didn't. at about £950, surely, every school, football club, business, could have one. I know theyre not always going to help, but theres a good percentage that they could help in.
http://www.heartstarthome.com/conten...t_featured.asp
City had one donated a few weeks back, by a fan whose brother(?) died young.
Article in the Tribune today has a doctor saying you only have 3-4 minutes to resuscitate someone after cardiac arrest and questioning the use of defibrillators as resuscitation after this time leads to brain damage. It seems to me you'd need a lot of training on the use of these and would have to have it in a very accessible place with trained people constantly on hand.Originally Posted by Ringo
sorry ringo..
apostrophe s in title to be changed please.
i'd like to question the use of these as well..there being seen as a be all and end all after the death of cormac mcanallen.
would someone like to live if they knew they'd have major brain damage?
Where do you stop then. Should every home have one?
I think all eL sides should have one just like they should have doctor on duty at all games.
Moderator: Moving this to eL forum
They won't let you shock someone on less they need it. I think all sports clubs should definitely have them. It won't save every life, but if it even saves one.
This should be more of a priority, I dont know if Ive heard of a Doc at any games in an official cappicity. I remember a few seasons ago, where it was asked over the PA if there was a doctor at the game could he come to the clubhouse.
why is this in the eL section?
A doctor has to be in attendance at every game otherwise it is a violation of club licensing, at the rsc there is always a st johns ambulance also, dunno if they would have a defibrillator
They are not hard to be trained up on and are definetily worth it. They can improve your chances of survival drastically.
In Cobh one was put into the local taxi kiosk and within 6weeks 2 people were saved. I'm not sure if Ramblers have one but think the FAI should at least purchase one for each club with the club paying for training maybe???
No need for a doctor, first aider will do and there are plenty of them around.
From today's Indo....
FITTINGLY, given recent tragic events, Alan Byrne, the FAI's progressive medical director, is organising a pilot health programme for four eircom League clubs. Under the scheme, each club -- to be selected at random -- will get a defibrillator and six personnel trained in basic life support.
The programme, endorsed by the FAI and certified by the Irish Heart Foundation, is for all 22 clubs to have a defibrillator, complete with trained staff, in place for 2008.
Byrne has also organised the first seminar for the 22 doctors attached to eircom League clubs. The seminar, on September 25, will cover the medical regulations and the new UEFA guidelines relating to the medical care of players, particularly in relation to heart health.
For 2008, all first team players in the eircom League must have a proper medical history including a cardiological examination and a resting ECG (Electro cardiogram). The qualifiers for next year's UEFA competitions must ensure all players undergo an echocardiogram.
Great news!!!
Even aul team im playing for have one.
My own club is thinking of getting one and a local GA club have one. There was a girl on the radio recently explaining about them and they seem quite simple to work after training. The machine apparently tells you what to do and when to do it. I'm not totaly sure but I think the one in Dublin Airport has saved about nine lives since its introduction
"Look at them. They're all out of step except my son Johnny"
Mrs. Delaney
Ya that was Stephen Comerford, his brother Gary died whilst playing football vwhen he was only 15
low lie the fields of Bishopstown......
A lot of clubs don't have a doctor; utterly stupid. UCD's doctor has often had to stand in as our opposition's doctor as well.
Most St John vehicles at this stage carry defibs.
The notion that we shouldn't have them at grounds because people might survive is possibly one of the silliest arguments I have ever heard here. You do have 3-4 minutes to get the shock in, but only if no oxygen therapy and CPR is administered first (whole point of CPR is to keep the brain alive until further help arrives), and with the St John or whoever on the sidelines, that should be easily doable.
That said, they don't help in every occasion. Some cardiacs are always going to end in death no matter what.
I know clubs are obliged under Club Licensing to have a doctor at all their matches home AND away but do Bohs ever have a doctor on duty at their games? When they played Pats in Dalymount earlier this season one of their players got what looked like a serious injury late on in the game and it was Pats' doctor that had to go out on the pitch to treat him.
And, as far as I know, Pats have a defib in place this season, I think one of the former board members donated it.
I actually spotted the GUFC doctor carrying one (along with his case) in Terryland last Friday. I never noticed it before and I though it was a pizza delivery bag
Two weeks ago, a spectator collapsed at a GAA match in Tuam Stadium and there was no ambulance or any medical professionals in attendence. The guy survived the incident but it goes to show how important it is to regulate for it. Many shopping centres and theatres have a defibrillator for emergencies.
Nobody knows us, we don't care
My local cinema has one.
I don't note if it as been stated, but Dublin Airport have one.
It has been used 4 times with 4 saves.
Surely the big sports clubs around Ireland should have one.
1k really isn't that much considering places that host alot of sports will probably have someone trained in first-aid on site already
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