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I think many people feel that Quinn is a creep as he tries to be nice to every person he meets and as a result comes across as too nice and not a man of principle. I think him shaking Keanes hand after he was sent off would support this. I think some people just find him over the top sometimes in his I love everybody sort of buzz.
I would say nearly all of them mentioned have given serious money to charity probably no more than Quinn and Keane.
I dont think he is a creep at all, Eamon Dunphy called him a creep in his drunken rant a few months ago when Keane left United, have you never seen that video?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=Eamon+Dunphy
Keane's is too hard, it could be anywhere form "Saint" to "****er"...Though I suppose the same could go for Quinn.
Oh yes, and for the record, there is no Irish player in history I havent liked (or I think is a creep, though Dunphy might fit there). I even like Eamon Dunphy, he makes me laugh so much, at least hes worth something. Perhaps that makes me a creep
I think he lead the way though in that regard.
The hand shaking thing with Keane - well you can imagine my feelings on that but unless his "Mr Nice Guy" is an act, I don't think being nice to people deserves the pejorative word "creep".
As for Cascarino being a philanderer, I didn't realise this ruled out someone from being a good journalist and quite frankly I would be surprised if most footballers at the top level, having regard to the lifestyle they lead, don't engage is some extra marital activity. I have it on good authority that when an English Premiership team toured here a few years ago there was a lot of hanky panky and from one player in particular you would not except such carry on - the libel laws prevent me from going further. Do you think being unfaithful is a major failing in a man ? If so you've led a very sheltered life !
As for totalfootball calling him English - we have been down that road before and I don't have the energy or time to go in to comments like that.
Owls fan you have missed the point here. Cascarino introduced the subject of whether someone was nice and tellling personal stories about O Leary. He did not concentrate on O Leary the manager but looked into O leary the man. So if he wants to go down that road fair enough, but I think it rules him out of been a good journalist. Also it then opens him up to criticism from me and others that he is not such a nice man himself, as I have spelt out in previous posts.
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Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I think been unfaithful is nicely putting it. He led a double life for a few years as he has said himself. He also admits to gambling in circumstances that can only be described as Soprano esque. He is clearly not a nice man who is involved in low life behaviour in my view. Just cause he scores a few goals for Ireland does not mean he is not a nice man. Niall Quinn Roy Keane and David O Leary are gentlemen compared to this guy. Of course in footballing terms none of this is relevant but in the context of Cascarino's articles when he often refers to the personality of ther person they are talking about and their lifestyle it is very relevant to Cascarino the journalist.
He is trying to make a living out of other people achievments and failures because he does not have the talen or intelligence ever to become a football manager or coach.
It would HAVE to be "The bottler" :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
It appears there are people all around the world trying to discredit the good name of Tony Cascarino.
http://www.cascarino.homestead.com/pressrelease.html
Cascarino's piece was entirely about O'Leary's managerial abilities - he drew on examples of specific incidents to illustrate the point that O'Leary's narcissistic tendencies alienated him from his players and from the club's fans which impeded his management of the club enormously.
The questions of O'Leary being a good player in his day or of Cascarino being a not-so-good player and habitually cheating on his wife in the process are completely irrelevent to the initial point ... which is that O'Leary - as a manager - is crap.
And, quite frankly, he is.
Cascarino is a crap journalist, manager, player and person.
Obviously you've never met the man. That's just your opinion. You dont like him. Move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
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Have to agree, he was lucky and Leeds but who wouldn't be after spending £120 million. Not a good manager by any means and always ready with the blame game (as with Mr. Kerr). Can't see him back in The Premiership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogue Trader
Have you ever actually met him? What teams has he managed?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
O'Leary willl be back in the Premiership alright but he'll never manage the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea ...
Cascarino has never managed cause he does not have the balls or the talen to do it. At least O Leary has tried to do it and has had relative success at Leeds and done ok at Villa. I dont need to have met him as he says in his book the things that he has done. So i will judge a person on the actions they make rather than the things they say. As I said earlier he has no right to bring person aspects of O Learys life into articles about his management etc. This is not the 1st time, I would reckon there at least 10 articles out there by Cascarino where he has person digs at O Leary. His journalism is **** poor because he knows very little about the tactics of football or what it takes to be a top player because he was rubbish himself. He is a low life who hangs around with low lifes. Yet people on here are willing to defend him and have a go at O Leary. You dont see O Leary gambling with crooks or gangsters.
A lot of that may well be true - I just think that you're devaluing your own posts by stating things that are completely inaccurate. Cascarino being a crap manager when he has never managed ... him being a crap person when you've never met him (I mean, seriously, could I or anyone else on here form an accurate assessment of you as a person based on your previous ten posts?)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I'm sorry but what O'Leary did at Leeds was a gamble that Cascarino could only ever dream about making ... it was gamble that indirectly resulted in the team being relegated, losing high-quality players for a fraction of their true value, and in hundreds of staff working at the club being made redundant. Ridsdale was responsible too of course but it was O'Leary who signed those players and it was O'Leary who failed to win anything with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Well anybody who has never managed or or even tried it out its obvious he has not talent managment. He could barely play the game and manage his own life never mind a football team. I have far more respect for people who actually try their hand at managment and fail then those who opt for the easy life of writing for the Times and the Herald every week. All of the examples I have used have were sourced from Cascarinos book. To me the people who like Cascarino or hate O Leary are falling into the classic Irish trait of liking the "character" in the same way that Haughey was loved by the people here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet
THe job of the manager is not to look after the finances of the club. Especially in the modern era when the managers are more like coaches rather than managers. It is the job of the coach or manager to identify players and to ask the chairman to buy them. It was Risdale who had full knowledge of the finances of the club and he made the decision to buy the players. He could easily have told O Leary that the players were out of his budget. You did not see O Leary buying loads of players at Villa, why because they did not go into debt to buy players. O Leary had Leeds finishing in the top four for most of his reign and he got to the Champions League semi final. How do people think Martin Jol has done at SPurs, I would say they have both done similar type jobs with money invested in the side. If Jol got the sack in the morning and it was later found out that Levy had been putting the club in debt would it be Martin Jols fault, No it would not. O learys problem seems to be that he alienates the players through comments to the media etc.
Out of curiousity, did O'Leary write about the time he was (deservedly) dropped by Eoin Hand? or about his subsequent actions in crying on Dunphy's shoulder and aiding Dunphy's vitriolic, highly personalized, campaign against Eoin Hand?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Personally I thought Cascarino's book was pretty brainless. I take it that your reference to gambling with crooks and gangsters is taken from some incident in the book some 25 years ago or was it 30 years ago.
When have YOU seen Cascirino "gamble with crooks and gangsters"?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Just one last point, he is far from a crap journalist. IMO he's by far the best of the Ex players writing for newspapers today. You hate him, and thats fine, but he's not a crap journalist.
Cas is a fully qualified hairdresser as well.
O'Leary isn't.
In my opinion he is a crap journalist and your opinion he is a good one. Dont state it as some sort of fact that he is a good journalist. Many people despise his style of journalism and many like it so its a matter of taste not fact. I think he is a crap journalist as he relies on digging the dirt on players and telling personal stories from the dressing room rather than proper football journalism and looking at the game and analysing it properly. He is unable to do that . I have never seen him gamble with crooks or gangsters but he has admitted thats who he has gambled with as he descrived scenes of being blindfolded going into various games in order to protect the location of the card game.
Wasn't O'Leary leaving Villa linked to that statement which was supposedly released by the players criticising the club for not spending more money?
I don't think the Jol comparison is a good one though because he hasn't spent anything close to what O'Leary spent, he has bought players who are in general quite young and still unproven, and he has in the case of Carrick actually made money selling them on. You're right about Leeds though - ultimately Ridsdale did sanction those transfers and as Chairman he had to take the ultimate responsibility for the amount spent. It's just that finishing fourth in the league a couple of time and getting to the Semi-Finals didn't get the club anything close to the many millions they sent putting the team together and that lack of success was O'Leary's responsibility.