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28/06/2006, 1:27 PM
Clifford

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

What station were you watching? All three said they were wrong at half-time and said France were the better side. They said the same again at the end with Cunny Kenningham admitting that he was hopelessly wrong about France.

I thought they were very magnaminous towards Les Bleu. More than I would have been anyway. Zidane and Viera weren't 'immense' by any stretch, Spain were quite simply rubbish.

KOH

I must have gone for a beer at half time!! At the immediate end they certainly did not highlight anything other than the free kick incident, once before the break and then again straight after it, at which point I turned them off, bitter fools. If they later admitted they were wrong then fair play.

So Spain all of a sudden became rubbish, nothing to do with the French stopping them from playing? Irwin highlighted it before the game the midfield tackling department would be Frances and it was.

Viera was immense, so was Zidane. I love football for all it's differing opinions. ;)
28/06/2006, 1:29 PM
Dunphy

Barcelona weren't the better team before Lehmann was sent off, what Henry said that night was true, Larrson was the main star that night when he came on, he changed the game for barcelona!! Henry is not the only player that over reacts in football, look at torres last night with vieria that was a disaster!! Henry can over react over and over but i will still remember him for his class football!!
28/06/2006, 1:38 PM
Clifford

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Yeah have to agree , rubbish post there by Clifford in my opinion. France looked very weak for the last 4 years, so Giles and Cunningham used this as evidence to back a Spain win. Irwin had a sneaking feeling that the experience of France would see them through along with their strong back line. Irwin proved to correct. At half time Giles and Cunningham said that France were the better team as they were working harder and defending much better. Giles had flagged the 2 Spanish full backs and they were rubbish last night.

I dont look for predictions from the pundits but good informed analysis which is what we got last night from 3 Irish footballing legends and Peter Collins.

Cheers Spurs fan, want to highlight again what you think of Henry? Been waiting for this one for a long time have we?

I never said a word about Irwin earlier so no need to tell me what he said.

I never said a word about half time, I referred to the end of the game and did later admit to turning them off after their tirade against the free kick, when it looked like their usual bull would not extend to saying they were wrong yet again. I learned to be so pedantic by reading your posts. :p
28/06/2006, 1:41 PM
NeilMcD

Lehman was sent off pretty early in that game from what I remember but over the 90 minutes Barca were clearly the better team. Lehman was sent off because he tried to cheat Barca out of a goal. It worked in that he did stop them scoring but he was sent off and rightly so. That came from a good move by Barca so Barca shoudl get credit for that and Lehmann was rightly sent off.

Henry was right in what he said about Larsson but he was not right in what he said about the other 2 great players having a go at their personality as well as their performance that night. In my view Iniesta was the player that changed the game in that match but Larsson was immense also. ETO scored that night and Henry did not and missed 2 great chances yet Henry still feels the need to have a go at ETOs performance and personality.

Then last night he cheats and tries to get a fellow player sent off despite saying before that he never dives and maybe next time he will but he is not a woman.

Clifford I am not sure your views on the pundits should be even considred as you have not admitted you did not see the half time break and that you missed a lot of the full time analysis. Its best not to comment on things until you have seen the full picture I would have thought. You saw a small bit at the end where they looked at the most controversial aspect of the game and the goal that changed it and you did nto like what they said so you switched off. Correct me if I am wrong but thats what it appears to me. This is pretty standard in TV coverage of football games. They loook at the standout incidents before they then talk about the game in general. After you switched off they said Viera and Zidane were good but Ribery and the French defence were the really standout performances. I would agree but peopel know Viera and Zidane so its easier to say they were the ones who played well as they are famous.
28/06/2006, 1:47 PM
Clifford

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Clifford I am not sure your views on the pundits should be even considred as you have not admitted you did not see the half time break and that you missed a lot of the full time analysis. Its best not to comment on things until you have seen the full picture I would have thought. You saw a small bit at the end where they looked at the most controversial aspect of the game and the goal that changed it and you did nto like what they said so you switched off. Correct me if I am wrong but thats what it appears to me. This is pretty standard in TV coverage of football games. They loook at the standout incidents before they then talk about the game in general. After you switched off they said Viera and Zidane were good but Ribery and the French defence were the really standout performances. I would agree but peopel know Viera and Zidane so its easier to say they were the ones who played well as they are famous.

Was only making a comment on what I saw indeed, very well observed. Don't lose any sleep over it Spurs man. So on the above logic, unless you've seen every min of every comment by the rte team, are you allowed comment either?

I know exactly how good Ribery and the rest are cos I backed France at 14 to one ages ago to have a good World Cup. I just happened to highlight Viera and Zizou because the so called pubdits and Glies wrote them both off totally and that is criminal to do in light off their respective talents. I wonder why you hate Viera so much as well?
28/06/2006, 1:48 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Clifford

Cheers Spurs fan, want to highlight again what you think of Henry? Been waiting for this one for a long time have we?

I never said a word about Irwin earlier so no need to tell me what he said.

I never said a word about half time, I referred to the end of the game and did later admit to turning them off after their tirade against the free kick, when it looked like their usual bull would not extend to saying they were wrong yet again. I learned to be so pedantic by reading your posts. :p

Would not call myself a Spurs fan and I am not sure what that has go to to with anything said here. I have said before that Henry is a great player in the English Premiership. I used to think he was a nice guy and a fair player. But over the last 2 months I have seen him in a different light. I have not waited for anything as I did not know he had this side to his character. I wish I was wrong and that he was the guy I thought he was but I was wrong on that count, he is a cheat.

I know you never mentioned irwin but I was letting other people know who may have missed the coverage what was said on RTE last night by the whole panel and not just 2 of the panel. The RTE panel was very fair to both teams last night and I wanted to get that point across. I like to see things in the bigger picture and not just look at the 2 minutes and then swithc off cause I dont have the attention span to wait or because it gets too complicated for me to understand.
28/06/2006, 1:51 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Clifford

Was only making a comment on what I saw indeed, very well observed. Don't lose any sleep over it Spurs man.

I know exactly how good Ribery and the rest are cos I backed France at 14 to one ages ago to have a good World Cup. I just happened to highlight Viera and Zizou because the so called pubdits and Glies wrote them both off totally and that is criminal to do in light off their respective talents. I wonder why you hate Viera so much as well?

Again not sure what the fact that you think I support Spurs when I dont has to do with it.

Viera dives, spits, assaults and fouls and tries to get players booked. He probably personifies everything that is wrong about the game today in my view. He is not the only one that does things like that but very few players tick all the boxes. I know Johnny Giles is no fan of his for that reason also.

if you are hinting that both players play or played for Arsenal i would also say both players are black, both are from france. So maybe I hate them because of all those reasons but no I dont like Viera because of his actions, simple as that.
28/06/2006, 1:59 PM
smellyfeet

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Originally Posted by Dunphy

"puyol apoligised to me for the challenge" so he admitted his guilt that it was a clear foul, !!

What is he apoligising for:confused:

Its not like he gave it to he chest high is it?
28/06/2006, 2:02 PM
Clifford

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Would not call myself a Spurs fan and I am not sure what that has go to to with anything said here.

I like to see things in the bigger picture and not just look at the 2 minutes and then swithc off cause I dont have the attention span to wait or because it gets too complicated for me to understand.

Don't know anyone who would turn off after two mins, you forget I watched the pre game guff as well as the match (and there was a lot more than 2 mins at the end, cos there was an ad break and we all know what that entails on bog tv. I confess I went to the fridge at half time for a beer and a slash, not both at the fridge admitedly :D .

I'm happy to make my own mind up, not let Jonny do it for me.

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=33379

Yeah, clearly not a Spurs fan.
28/06/2006, 2:02 PM
Dunphy

He didnt cheat barca out of a goal, he clearly brought eto down and accepted the consequences, after puyol, ronnie & marques ran to the referee waving their hands in the air to issue a card, thats cheating!! He should have awarded a goal and left the team at 11 against 11, it would have been a whole different ball game then, henry gave his all that night and the extra man told in the end!! You obviuosly have a problem with arsenal or french players!!
28/06/2006, 2:07 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Dunphy

He didnt cheat barca out of a goal, he clearly brought eto down and accepted the consequences, after puyol, ronnie & marques ran to the referee waving their hands in the air to issue a card, thats cheating!!

How was that cheating? It may be annoying but he was last man back and deserved the card.Cheating is what Henry did trying to get someone sent off for something that didnt happen.

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Originally Posted by Dunphy

He should have awarded a goal and left the team at 11 against 11, it would have been a whole different ball game then, henry gave his all that night and the extra man told in the end!! You obviuosly have a problem with arsenal or french players!!

Its not the refs job to make the game interesting. Arsenal got what they deserved, henry was rubbish that night however hard he tried and he was a terrible loser afterwards. I couldn't care less about arsenal or french players but Henry acted like a hypocrite last night and has done nothing at this world cup to live up to his superstar reputation
28/06/2006, 2:13 PM
NeilMcD

Well said Micls, it seems that clifford and Dunphy if somebody crticises your beloved Henry than you make an allegation that they are biased against french or Arsenal players. I judge players on their reactions and behavriour I dont care what club they play for. Its is both Clifford and Dunphy that have brought that issue into it when its a non runner.

The ref should have given a goal and sent off Lehmann for the foul in my view. Lehmann did cheat Barca out of a goal he used unfair methods to stop them scoring, that is cheating in my view.

Arsenal play great football and are a joy to watch and i was glad they got to the final of the Champions League and it they had of been playing any other team other than Barca I would have liked for them to win.
28/06/2006, 2:15 PM
pete

Only seen the highlights but Henry was clearly cheating. He not the first player to do it & won't be the last. he is clearly no more honest than any other player & attempts to protray him as a saint clearly don't wash.

It was not blatant enough to justify any further action by FIFA. End of Story.
28/06/2006, 2:16 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Clifford

Don't know anyone who would turn off after two mins, you forget I watched the pre game guff as well as the match (and there was a lot more than 2 mins at the end, cos there was an ad break and we all know what that entails on bog tv. I confess I went to the fridge at half time for a beer and a slash, not both at the fridge admitedly :D .

I'm happy to make my own mind up, not let Jonny do it for me.

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=33379

Yeah, clearly not a Spurs fan.

Ireland fan first and foremost and for that reason I wanted Robbie Keane and Andy Reid to play in Champions League football. Arsenal did not have any Irish players in their 1st team squad so thats why I was hoping for spurs to do it. If Arsenal had more Irish players they would have got my support simple as that really.
28/06/2006, 2:23 PM
Dunphy

Any other team than barca, sure barca had the look of the ref all the way through there european campaign, for example the chelsea game and the ac milan game, barca are a very good side there's no denying that and they have the second best player in the world after henry, Ronnie of course!! Look at him in the world cup he has done nothing, at least henry has scored!! Henry is an absolute legend, i would never judge a person on any 1 incident like use 2 are doing!! I would love to see him lift the world cup that would really get up aragones nose
28/06/2006, 2:24 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by pete

It was not blatant enough to justify any further action by FIFA. End of Story.

I'd agree with that. If they were gonna go down that road they'd have had to start at the beginning of the toournament and we'd have a lot less players left playing at this stage
28/06/2006, 2:28 PM
Clifford

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Well said Micls, it seems that clifford and Dunphy if somebody crticises your beloved Henry than you make an allegation that they are biased against french or Arsenal players. I judge players on their reactions and behavriour I dont care what club they play for. Its is both Clifford and Dunphy that have brought that issue into it when its a non runner.

No alligence to Henry at all wih me, I said it was very poor what he did it - but you want him sent off for that retrospectively yet start no thread about the obvious assault on Ronaldo on Sunday night by Boulahrouz, where was the topic claiming Figo should be classed as a cheat for the head butt? Or Deco is a cheat for not giving the ball back?

It stands out like a sore thumb why you are hitting him, no matter how eloquently you put it.
28/06/2006, 2:30 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Dunphy

Any other team than barca, sure barca had the look of the ref all the way through there european campaign, for example the chelsea game and the ac milan game, barca are a very good side there's no denying that and they have the second best player in the world after henry, Ronnie of course!! Look at him in the world he has done nothing, at least henry has scored!! Henry is an absolute legend, i would never judge a person on any 1 incident like use 2 are doing!! I would love to see him lift the world cup that would really get up aragones nose

If there is any bias then it is clearly coming from you. Henry is a top player along with Ronny and I feel Messi is going to join the two of them soon. Shevchenko is a great player also. Not sure when Barca had the look (sic) of the ref V Chelsea. Every club has decisions that go in their favour on the way to the winning the Champions League. Barca are clearly the best club in Europe at the moment as they combined winning their league, (probably the best in Europe) with winning the Champions League.

I am not judging Henry on one incident, i am judging him on his behaviour over the last few months and more specificlaly after the defeat to Barca and the incident last night.

Why woudl Henry lifting the World Cup get up Aragones nose.
28/06/2006, 2:34 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Clifford

No alligence to Henry at all wih me, I said it was very poor what he did it - but you want him sent off for that retrospectively yet start no thread about the obvious assault on Ronaldo on Sunday night by Boulahrouz, where was the topic claiming Figo should be classed as a cheat for the head butt? Or Deco is a cheat for not giving the ball back?

It stands out like a sore thumb why you are hitting him, no matter how eloquently you put it.

I think I said in another thread that the tackle on Ronaldo was a disgrace and it was The guy should have gone, so should have Figo both of them are cheats for that sort of action in my view. I thought Decos one was a bit innocuous really but probably deserved a booking for not giving the ball back.

I cannot start a thread on every player but someone who paints himself as whiter than white (pardon the obvious paradox) I feel lit should be hightlighted that they are not what they seem when the actions clearly show that.

henry great player and one of my favourites up until quite recently.
28/06/2006, 2:38 PM
Dunphy

After the racial comments he made about him and the reaction to vieria catching torres in the face last night, i think arragones doesn't like the french in general and them winning the world cup would annoy him an awful lot!!

Henry is a legend, don't judge him on his comments, reactions or remarks he makes, Judge him on his football!!!

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