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oh i agree those excuses should stop being made, but we aren't playing well and have been well below par all season for some reason, not an excuse, fact.
bohs should have gone through and shela have a great draw if they get through next wen.
we were not good enough overall, might be hard to swallow but hey thats life, still two cup and the league to focus on.
If you read my earlier posts :rolleyes: I said "there is nothing wrong with expecting success". My point was that Vaduz are in all likelyhood the same standard so why is it a disgrace to lose to someone of the same ability?? I did say it was disapointing just nothing to freak out about. I'm not making excuses for Longford, I'd have loved it if they'd went through but I wasn't at the game so I don't know how bad or unlucky they were for myself and at the risk of starting this argument off again....our league in general IS poor compared to most of the rest of Europe. Look at our European STATS not the feckin seedings!Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
Of course I want things to get better and for the league to progress. I just think ye are being too harsh because this will take time.
Would you like to read my post again and take note of who I quoted?Quote:
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Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
I've been hearing that since the f*cking 70's, when we used to get crowds of 15 to 20,000 at league games in Cork. There was no Premier**** or Sky to compete with then, there was good money in the game and f*ckall was done. 30 years later, I'm still hearing the same excuses.....:mad:
sorry patsh, still asleep here.
europe is one thing, the league is more important and when the fai allow fixture pile up etc the clubs don't give europe the respect it deserves.
the system is to blame as well, not just the clubs. we need the back up from our official body to allow us to compete at a higher level, better backing and an understanding that teams can make it past the first round and that fixtures will have to be taken into account.
example, we weren't in europe last season, yet we played 25% of our league games in the last 4 weeks of the league ??????
Patsh, it's only in the last few years that some sort of progress has been made by Eircom league clubs and this is due to the fact that City, Shels and Bohs have gone full time. The fact that summer football is now being played in Ireland is also an advantage because I don't think we'd have enjoyed some of the results we've had, had the other teams been midway through their seasons IMO. It's no coincidence that our league's better European results in recent times have been accomplished by the full time teams and until the rest of the league follows that path then we have no right to think that they will progress just because they are playing a team from a "minnow" nation. WE are a minnow nation to the rest of Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
We shouldn't be a minnow nation compared to ****ing Liechtenstein. That was a draw that pretty much every team in the first round would have killed to have gotten.
Slash, I know we shouldn't be but we ARE. I'm sure most of the teams would've liked to have drawn Longford too (with no disrespect again to Macy, Max etc) because they are more or less the same standard as a Swiss 2nd division team. They just missed out on promotion too lets not forget, so they can't be that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
at the end of the day, we earned our place in that competiton for us not you are anyone else. so if we wanted to loose 15-0 thats our businiess, not anyone elses, i wish all clubs well in europe but its that clubs night and not yours.
Of course I'm dissappointed to see Longford go out last night, but I don't think that gives us the right to label them a digrace.
Proir to this season, City always struggled to get results in Europe. It's not that long ago we were beaten by a Swiss League team. A few wins and suddenly we have the right to hurl abuse at anyone who struggles in a European competition?
Typical short term memory. Win and you're a hero for a few weeks. Lose a few and you're scum. What's the odds on hearing "Dolan out" chanted in some corner of the shed over the coming 12 months?
I would put my house on Longford winning 1 game in Europe if they played on average 2 matches every year for about 10 years. Vaduz are one of the worst teams to ever play an Irish side. The Swizz 2nd division, don't make me laugh.
have you seen vaduz play ??Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
you had your chance to be there last night, but ya blew it in landsdown last year ;)
go and try to raise a few quid play the pats players.......
Whilw I was disappointed with the Longford result the abuse being hurled at them is over the top.
They haven't being playing well this season so expectations shouldn't have been so high.
As others have said you can't comment on how good/bad Vaduz are without seeing them play.
I'd say the Bohs result was more dissappointing considering they have huge experience and had got a good result away.
I agree with liamon as well about it being a bit rich that City fans seem to be leading the abuse after some admittedly very good euro performances in a modest season.
We all wish EL teams the best in europe but we shouldn't go to town :D on other clubs for "letting us down" if they have a bad result.
i nearly choked when i heard it was 3-0.
a pity but i hope they bounce back. a good bunch of lads, and a nice ground. Offer Kenny his job back i say! (half joking)
finally come people talking sense at last
1. NO abuse is being hurled at Longford.
2. eL fans are expressing the view that Longford are a bigger, better team and club than Vaduz, and should not be getting beaten by them., and are very dissappointed by the result.
3. It's not only a Longford club result. These results affect EVERY club in this league.
4. I would bet a months wages that anything said here on this thread is nothing to what Alan Matthews and some of the players must have said and feel.
5. Matthews surely had a high expectation of getting through to the 2nd round, and ignore the eL versus the league Vaduz play in. Team against team, Longford SHOULD have won.
We defended badly and that cost us but vaduz were clinical and well drilled they have seven players on the liechtenstein national team who remember were only beaten 2-0 by Greece in their final game before Euro 2004, and some of these players aren't first choice for Vaduz, they have a budget of €2.4m per year, players from 11 different countries, how many Eircom League teams have that much money available? they were stunned not to get promoted last season and fully expect to go up this year, they're not the micky mouse team some of you appear to think they are, they'd give any and i mean any Eircom League team a good game they were about the top unseeeded team we could have got, remember any other year we'd be nowhere near seeded. Disappointing yes, disgrace no.
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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Yep, hold my hands up there - I checked the UEFA Coefficients table which had them down for 1 point in two seasons, but both of those were for two draws, not one win and one defeat as I assumed... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by tiktok