Any mention of no banners allowed on the t+c's on the back of the ticket?
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Any mention of no banners allowed on the t+c's on the back of the ticket?
That would be where the allowance of removing it comes from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeside Swagger
If someone came to your house for dinner then after eating revealed a t-shirt saying 'your cooking sucks' you'd be none too happy. It's pretty much the same situation. It's not really a free speech issue as much as a breach of contract / private property / trespass issue. I don't really have a problem with it. However, it is pretty obvious that it does the FAI more harm than good censoring like this so you do have to question the effectiveness of it.
So its in the terms and conditions so? If all banners are being removed then i dont see the problem, thems the rules. Otherwise you would have to make a judgement call on every banner to see if it was offensive etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Was anyone else here in or near the singing section of the Davin Stand last Saturday night?Some fools let off a few stink bombs and the stewards in the area just walked away.To be fair unless they seen someone lighting one then there's not much they could have done.Approx sections 320 and 321.
i don't know what the t+cs are... but i'd imagine that's where they get the power from. I don't know if it is only offensive banners or what it is but i'm only guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeside Swagger
Its only the same if the guards came round to help you take the t-shirt off them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Its not trespass if you have paid for a ticket.
Gardai have no remit in a breach of contract.
well, it's trespass if you are in breach of your contractQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
and if it's trespass then the gardai have remit to remove you
so no problem.
Oh, enough of the barber-shop legal advise. It is trespass if you are asked to leave for a valid reason and don't, and we don't know the specifics.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
1) Its advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
2) Nothing barber-shop about it. Have been in this very situation before.
Process goes as follows.
i) Steward asks you to take down banner. They are entitled to ask you to do this.
ii) If you refuse, they are required to call gardai to remove banner and/or remove you from the ground if you won't co-operate.
iii) The gardai are then required to take their own view on the issue. They should not act in a Pinkerton Guard-type manner. They are not a private police force. Unfortunately they tend to blindly follow the requests of the stewards in my experience.
From the back of your ticket (selected parts only, obviously):
I think that covers it quite well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Your Ticket
The gardai are required to enforce the law. They are not specifically required to enforce the terms and conditions on the back of a ticket. They are not a private police force.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Both incidents are PROPOSTEROUS. The Gardai in this case have absolutely no leagal authority to confiscate any banner. Anyone say otherwise? Is there some small print on the back of tickets?Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
[edit: just saw above, but the enforcement was because of the content of the banner, not just because it was a banner]
ps. a bit unfair to say "at Croke Park"...it is unlikely that GAA are making these calls.
It's just bullying, but that's how this country is! The Gardai are a force for use by the elite as they wish, protestors are videotaped, beaten, chastised and villified. That is why nobody spoke about many injustices for may years, as we all know.
I was going to making an extreme comment with regards to recently revelaed incidents which show how the state and it's puppets can get away with dreadful actions while the ordianry punter is bullied but this would probaly be an over-reaction.
This is a misuse of power over a petty incident while criminals go about their business with impunity.
A case should be taken for the return of the stolen items.
Boycott the play-offs :-)
Okay, let me spell this outQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Breach of the terms of that contract is a trespass
trespass is a crime
the gardai can take steps to stop crimes
and thus can stop you committing a trespass
really? got it now?
The enforcement is being done based on THE CONTENT of banners/flags. That is the problem.
Yeah that's definitely true.... if they wanted to they could get rid of all flags and banners but instead they do so selectively. It is a political choice, but who is making the choice? Is it individual little Hitlers or is it from above?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
Probably a mixture IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
It would be no small coincidence that the banner was caught by the tv cameras
and shortly after that, the stewards intervened.
One can assume within rational level of certainty that the direction to intervene came from a higher authority.
Under normal circumstances, you would hardly need a riot squad to ask a harmless looking punter to move on home.
The anecdotal evidence offered isQuote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
"senior" gardai came over to question what was going on he realised that the boys had done nothing and told them to go on ahead. common sense really.
If that is a fair account, then regardless of the technical side of the trespass argument, the interpretation of the incident by the Gardai themselves, supports the idea that the issue was a big nothing for them to get involved in.
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Originally Posted by peadar1987
Nah, if that was the case they'd be looking to build massive public white elephants in all the major towns in the land which they'd claim would be for the good of the people.
Oh, hang on...
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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
It's obviously a quiet evenings work for them, and people aren't going to turn round and tell them to f**k off, which they probably would to a steward.