Andy Reid(b 1982)

two of the three most naturally gifted Irish footballers of their generation not in the squad. What a shame.

I said it before its clear to me that he was left out of the squad because of traps view of his demeanour following the first 3 games and not getting on the pitch and the incident in mainz. Trap obviously felt that Andy Reids demeanour and style or effort in training was not up to scratche. He made a judgment call on it having had him in 3 squads at least. Its not based on what happened in Mainz purely as he was in a squad since but possibly Reids reaction to the dispute in Mainz and his reaction to being in the team.

I saw Reid in the days before the Cyprus game and it would back up those saying he wasn't putting in enough effort to get back into the team. It seems he has sorted himself out over the summer.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

two of the three most naturally gifted Irish footballers of their generation not in the squad. What a shame.

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We had all three playing together in the last campaign.

We ended up being destroyed by Cyprus, and scraping past San Marino.

What a shame for Messrs Ireland, Reid and anyone else who didnt give 110% that they probably won't go to S Africa next summer with us. (and in my personal opinion if you're a profesional sprostsman who is overweight then you're not giving 100%)

If these guys were so naturally talented they'd probably have been able to muster up a result instead of the humiliation away to Cyrpus? Or the humiliation at home to Cyrpus? Or away to San Marino???

No?

Can people not at least acknowledge that we've tried to go tournaments with the likes of Morisson, Reid and co.
And it has failed. Several times.

Honestly, I don't mean to be a negative pr"ck about this all, but at some stage I have to wonder. I know i have the reputation as being crazily pro-management but the above, for me, perfectly justifies my rants. We're one result away from going to a play-off and the team is criticised for not taking enough cues from the squad that failed to beat Slovakia, San Marino, Wales et al.

Now we're trying something new. Maybe it won't work, but it's already come a lot closer than building a midfield around Andy Reid who only intermittenly takes his fitness seriosuly.

Give me the likes of Whelan and Andrews barely hanging on and grinding out a result over the alternative, sadly. We've a system that might just bring us to the world cup, yet if we put out a midfield of the likes of Ireland and Andy Reid we wouldn't have lasted two games in to the campaign, just look at previous campaigns and try to explain why this one would have been different.

I genuinely wish Andy Reid could take teams apart, and hope people don't attack my opinion as if I don't respect what Reid could do on a good day, but the fact is he never has before on an interanational stage. Instead he's a good midfield player. One not suited to our style of play, but hey, a good player none the less. Personally I think it's time to substitute that good midifeld player for someone who is lesser talented but more likely to help us grind out an ugly result in a vital qualifier.

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Originally Posted by Jicked

We had all three playing together in the last campaign.

We ended up being destroyed by Cyprus, and scraping past San Marino.

What a shame for Messrs Ireland, Reid and anyone else who didnt give 110% that they probably won't go to S Africa next summer with us. (and in my personal opinion if you're a profesional sprostsman who is overweight then you're not giving 100%)

If these guys were so naturally talented they'd probably have been able to muster up a result instead of the humiliation away to Cyrpus? Or the humiliation at home to Cyrpus? Or away to San Marino???

No?

Can people not at least acknowledge that we've tried to go tournaments with the likes of Morisson, Reid and co.
And it has failed. Several times.

Honestly, I don't mean to be a negative pr"ck about this all, but at some stage I have to wonder. I know i have the reputation as being crazily pro-management but the above, for me, perfectly justifies my rants. We're one result away from going to a play-off and the team is criticised for not taking enough cues from the squad that failed to beat Slovakia, San Marino, Wales et al.

Now we're trying something new. Maybe it won't work, but it's already come a lot closer than building a midfield around Andy Reid who only intermittenly takes his fitness seriosuly.

Give me the likes of Whelan and Andrews barely hanging on and grinding out a result over the alternative, sadly. We've a system that might just bring us to the world cup, yet if we put out a midfield of the likes of Ireland and Andy Reid we wouldn't have lasted two games in to the campaign, just look at previous campaigns and try to explain why this one would have been different.

I genuinely wish Andy Reid could take teams apart, and hope people don't attack my opinion as if I don't respect what Reid could do on a good day, but the fact is he never has before on an interanational stage. Instead he's a good midfield player. One not suited to our style of play, but hey, a good player none the less. Personally I think it's time to substitute that good midifeld player for someone who is lesser talented but more likely to help us grind out an ugly result in a vital qualifier.

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Im not his biggest fan Jicked but im not criticising Trappatoni at all with that statement. How could i blame him for Irelands absence? I dont think Reid should be a starter necessarily but i love watching him play and i think a role could be found for him on/from the subs bench at the very least?

My point was that it would be nice to see two more technically gifted players in the team and a system that could utilise the talents of 5 attack minded international class players! Im not trying to apportion blame on Trap for their exclusion just bemoaning their absence.

I also think that in your post, you lay a lot of blame of the failures of the last campaign on the (young, internationally inexperienced) players you mention and fail to lay any blame whatsoever on a terrible manager and a failure of the coaching team. These youngsters needed to be drilled and exceptionally coached and yet they were sent on booze nights and given amateurish "motivational" team speeches with minimal tactical instruction.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I'd say there's a huge chance that Sunderland would have been relegated if they didn't sign Reid.

Aston Villa 0-1 Sunderland
"The team showed the measured calm and assurance of their manager: with Andy Reid dictating play in midfield, Sunderland created a succession of half-chances, only to be let down by a lack of confidence in front of goal."
Man of the match: Reid.

Sunderland 2-1 West Ham
"While it may be pushing it to suggest that he is Sunderland's answer to Ferenc Puskas, few would deny that the Dubliner appears the antithesis of the "modern" Premier League midfielder. Or that Reid has transformed Keane's side since arriving from Charlton in January. Curvier, slower and generally less athletic than his more conventionally constructed counterparts he may be but Reid boasts the sharpest football brain and the best left foot in Sunderland's dressing room.

Like his manager he can see the bigger picture and routinely spots openings before anyone else. Able to deliver laser- like long-range passes with minimal backlift, he compensates lack of pace by the sort of adhesive touch that enables him to control and release the ball more quickly than most team-mates."
Man of the match Andy Reid The man whose vision and passing range has given Sunderland a hitherto missing creative edge which has inspired their recent renaissance. Typically Reid helped create the equaliser before wrapping up the points on the whistle

Fulham 1-3 Sunderland
Reid 8/10

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Originally Posted by LFCSixty/Eighty

I don't know how you get your information Eirebhoy, but you sure know how to back up your argument. The fact is Andy Reid could be just what we need in midfield to bring on, even if not to start (though IMO he should start) No one else can pick a pass in our squad like him. We all know its not over weight that Andy is not in the squad and I'll be damned if we don't manage to qualify because a stubborn old Italian man won't forgive and forget when the interests of our nations football team are at stake.

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I actually don't those articles do anything except highlight 2 things; Reid on his day can be a great player & his level is bottom half (fighting relegation) Premiership top half Championship.

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Originally Posted by Scram

I am just amazed at the number of posters in here who cannot recognise the abilities of Andy (plus or minus 5kg) mentioned above, and the absolute travesty of him not even being in our very limited squad.

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I like Reid, I think he brings something different to the squad and I would have him in the 22, personally I think our modus operandi precludes him from starting, we have a limited pool of players and so the system becomes king. This all reminds me very much of Charltons days, John Sheridan was a class act but he didn't fit the system & big Jack never really found a way (until usa94) of squeezing him in.
Basically reid is a good player, not good enough to build an international team around & therefore he is always going to be a fringe/impact player under the current rigid 442 attacking/pacey/tricky wide men, battlers in the middle, system.
If Trap thinks Reid is a bad influence to squad morale when he's not starting then he's better off out of it completely, it's a loss but hardly earth shattering.

We all know that Trap's modus operandi mitigates against Reid starting (centrally at least) but I think bari showed that he can change things when required and Andy Reid would be on the bench for me everytime just in case something different is required.

If nothing else having a busy player always looking for the ball is great for tempo, which ultimately is the way through well organised inferior teams.

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Originally Posted by Jicked

I genuinely wish Andy Reid could take teams apart, and hope people don't attack my opinion as if I don't respect what Reid could do on a good day, but the fact is he never has before on an interanational stage. Instead he's a good midfield player. One not suited to our style of play, but hey, a good player none the less. Personally I think it's time to substitute that good midifeld player for someone who is lesser talented but more likely to help us grind out an ugly result in a vital qualifier.

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Germany at home a few years ago? There's a good clip of his passes in that game on youtube. He cut them up like a butcher.

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Germany at home a few years ago? There's a good clip of his passes in that game on youtube. He cut them up like a butcher.

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He played well that night but the game was played at friendly pace, the Germans came for their point and got it comfortably bar one fluffed Keane chance. He had more room then you'd get in a qualifier where something was on the line.

In the subsequent game against Cyprus he was ineffective. I don't think Carsley was alongside him though.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

In the subsequent game against Cyprus he was ineffective. I don't think Carsley was alongside him though.

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no he had Joey O Brien beside him in that game and they were over run... was the first time OBrien had played that position since youth football if I rememeber rightly

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

no he had Joey O Brien beside him in that game and they were over run... was the first time OBrien had played that position since youth football if I rememeber rightly

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and after O'Brien had played well in centre defence against Germany. Carsley was booked against Germany, and against the Czechs at home, so he was suspended for Cyprus

Wasn't O'Breien then replaced at half-time?

He was, Miller came on for him

Reid was on for 2nd half yesterday, only highlight shown was a slightly overhit dink in to Kenwyne Jones so can't say how he did overall, other than they lost and he wasn't on when the goal was scored!

Niall Quinn was on the Late Late with his wife last night. He said if Reid had put as much time into training last season as he did public relations he'd have a much better chance of getting into the squad. But he copped on over the summer with a personal trainer and lost almost 2 stone. His wife loves Reid anyway. :)

I do genuinely believe it was only in the last year or so he let himself go for whatever reason. He's one of the unlucky players like Hartson, Ruddock, Barnes that really have put an awful lot more into their diet, training, etc. than the average player to keep their weight down.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Niall Quinn was on the Late Late with his wife last night. He said if Reid had put as much time into training last season as he did public relations he'd have a much better chance of getting into the squad. But he copped on over the summer with a personal trainer and lost almost 2 stone. His wife loves Reid anyway. :)

I do genuinely believe it was only in the last year or so he let himself go for whatever reason. He's one of the unlucky players like Hartson, Ruddock, Barnes that really have put an awful lot more into their diet, training, etc. than the average player to keep their weight down.

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This is why I thought that at this point, when we are down to the grindstone, he should be in the squad. I am not making him out to be the worlds best player or anything, but the fact that he has gotten back into shape should have been enough to get him back. Its no time for teaching lessons, and I think he could help. If he apologizes to Trap and Brady for whatever behavior that ****ed them off, which i think he did or would be willingto do, then he should be included at least over Liam Miller. Who's more likely to be helping us if we get to SA, a fit Andy Reid or Liam Miller? Come on.

What public relations efforts was Quinn referring to?

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Originally Posted by geysir

What public relations efforts was Quinn referring to?

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I'm guessing Reid's talk about willing to swim across the Irish sea to play for Ireland, etc. It wasn't really a dig by Quinn. He did start off by saying he wished Trap would pick Reid. Just basically saying players should do their talking on the pitch.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Niall Quinn was on the Late Late with his wife last night. He said if Reid had put as much time into training last season as he did public relations he'd have a much better chance of getting into the squad. But he copped on over the summer with a personal trainer and lost almost 2 stone. His wife loves Reid anyway. :)

I do genuinely believe it was only in the last year or so he let himself go for whatever reason. He's one of the unlucky players like Hartson, Ruddock, Barnes that really have put an awful lot more into their diet, training, etc. than the average player to keep their weight down.

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I think its his bodytype. He's an endmorph so needs to be so strict with what he eats. Should prob avoid the white pasta, rice which seem to be a staple of the footballers diet.

Also he like Antonio Cassano probably share a bit in common when it comes to the liking of cakes.

Scored for Sunderland today.

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Originally Posted by centre mid

Scored for Sunderland today.

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Hes done plentying of talking about wanting to get in the Ireland squad, if he can match that desire with consistent performances then Trap cant ignore him.

Geovanni "Any Irish player can get in the squad if they are playing well enough" Trappatoni.


Hmmmm.

He at least deserves a spot ahead of the likes of Miller and McShane.

Did not realise that Andy Reid is a centre back and full back.

Silly question #416, but ...

as it's a 43 page thread & Stephen Ireland tends to dominate the "exiled paddies" conversation, where does the A. Reid spat sit at the moment? In whose court is the ball? It has been so long all I can remember is that Trap doesn't like guitar solos at 10pm or something :)

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Did not realise that Andy Reid is a centre back and full back.

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Huh? I haven't seen the Sunderland match yet. Please explain.

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Originally Posted by amaccann

Silly question #416, but ...

as it's a 43 page thread & Stephen Ireland tends to dominate the "exiled paddies" conversation, where does the A. Reid spat sit at the moment? In whose court is the ball? It has been so long all I can remember is that Trap doesn't like guitar solos at 10pm or something :)

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Andy Reid is desperate to play for Ireland but Trap won't pick him.

Outstanding today for Sunderland. Scored a lovely goal and caused Hull all types of problems. Was playing mostly wide on the left today. Fox are showing the full match at 10pm on the dodgy channels

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Huh? I haven't seen the Sunderland match yet. Please explain.

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Neil was responding to the suggestion that Reid deserves a squad place ahead of McShane, a centre back.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Neil was responding to the suggestion that Reid deserves a squad place ahead of McShane, a centre back.

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He definitely deserves Miller's place in the squad. Loyalty is one thing (Charlton did the same thing) but this is borderline ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Neil was responding to the suggestion that Reid deserves a squad place ahead of McShane, a centre back.

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Some people think that if you replace a player you MUST replace him with a player of the same position. Obviously anyone of moderate intelligence knows this is not always the case.

The problem is that Trap doesn't see Reid as a centre-mid or wide-player, but rather an attacking midfielder/trequartista, similar to the way that he sees Robbie Keane.

I think if Reid came into the squad, it would be for the purpose of covering Robbie.

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

Some people think that if you replace a player you MUST replace him with a player of the same position. Obviously anyone of moderate intelligence knows this is not always the case.

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Are you saying that you're of moderate intelligence :p

Great to see Reid starting a league game for Sunderland. Now, let's see if he can keep his place and have a run of 10 games or more.

Watched Reid on tele last night against Hull. He was excellent skill full ,creative, intelligent and bagged a very good goal. His passing and dead ball kicks were good and he looks fitter than I have ever seen him. He is really putting in the effort. It looks like he is in the Sunderland first team to stay.

It is total madness not to have a player of his ability in the Ireland squad.

Was very impressed with Reid yesterday, looks like a new player this season and on more than one occasion tore Mcshane to bits, even leaving him dead for pace at one point which is something I've....never seen Reid do before.

Only downside for us is he's returning to his natural left wing position which is far and away our strongest area and best covered on the pitch.

In fairness Andy Reid has more to offer than Liam Miller and now that Liam has got a club it is time to consider his place in the squad.

And is a creative player and would offer something different. Whether he fits into Trapps way of thinking is another question.

His set piece deliveries can be good.

Very strong showing yesterday. I hope everyone involved just grows up and calls him back into the fold asap.

I think he should be called back but I don't see trap using him in the centre, he probably sees him as even more competition for Duff, McGeady, Hunt and Lawrence in the wide roles.

Which is fair enough, it'd be bad management to change your entire system to accommodate a player who just happens to be in form. I'd personally build my team around Andy Reid but I understand where Trap is going from with his system and I'll respect that, it's got us results after all.

I'd like to think though that if somebody like Duff did pick up a serious injury he wouldn't be too proud to call up Reid.

He is still a better player than Hunt, Lawrence and Keogh in that position imo.