The Derry City thread - Derry sign first four players

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

No-one is suggesting that (assuming they remain in the LOI), DCFC won't have an income next season, which should be adequate to run a team on reduced wages etc.

However, your post implies that they would be starting next season with a "clean slate". We must assume that the club is presently heavily indebted, perhaps hopelessly so.

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Your question re level of debt is a fair one. But the simple answer is we just don't know, as the club hasn't said anything about the debt situation (or, indeed, any details of its overall finances), so it's all conjecture really. I have no doubt there is debt, but no idea how much.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

How do you think they propose to deal with that? Sugar Daddy? Bucket collection? Celtic friendly? Sell their ground?

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Without an indication as to the level of debt, it's simply impossible to answer.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

I'm not on a wind-up here, but it's not good for football if clubs imagine they can simply walk away from debts every time they reach unsustainable levels and start again, as if nothing had happened. (And that is assuming they don't owe money to the Inland Revenue, who as you know, are quite capable of enforcing a debt should they choose to)

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The problem here is that clubs aren't just businesses. They are also civic and community entities. If one particular administration runs a football club badly, is it right that the whole concept of that particular club as a communtiy and civic entity should not be allowed to go on (largely out of a sense of punishment/vindictiveness one would assume, particularly if the failed administration are no longer in charge) ? It would be like telling the people of Iceland that they can't have a country any more, because their previous government made such a mess of it. The concept of a football club is bigger than just those who run it at any one time.

Plus - it's a pretty well established fact now that football clubs with even half-decent support don't go out of existence any more, like they did in the old days. The fans just reform them (Halifax, Telford, Wimbledon etc) - proof that the 'concept' or community/civic entity will live on regardless. Any football club with a relatively decent support base begins to almost take-omn a life and momentum of its own. I don't see what there would be to gain in quelching that, purely to act as the footballing equivalent of a wrathful god.

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Originally Posted by RonnieB

Kenny apparently said the players havent been paid in two months... that is beyond nuts.

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Yeah, that was confirmed (well, mentioned) on RTE News there. The situation really is dire if that is the case.

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Originally Posted by Mr A

Yeah, that was confirmed (well, mentioned) on RTE News there. The situation really is dire if that is the case.

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OK so it's fair to assume there is no money in the club, but where are the gate receipts going so?

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

What if a club paid all its players a relatively low salary - one that they could afford.

Would they still not be full-time because you don't think it's organisationally feasible for an Irish football team to be so ? :confused:

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Originally Posted by redobit

OK so it's fair to assume there is no money in the club, but where are the gate receipts going so?

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There last crowd was under 1000 and afaik they have more season ticket holders than that-money which would have been spent long ago

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

That said, it's still all purely hypothetical and still v.unlikely to come about (imo).

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Damn right it wont, just have a look at the poll on Derrychat. So you may forget all about the age old argument of Derry returning to the IL. I personally would be happy if we offloaded 6 or 7 of the current squad to Glentoran or anyone who would take them though !

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Pizza is the last player we should be releasing in my view.

He's been excellent for the club, and despite his age is still solid and very dependable.

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Have you been watching him this past 2 seasons (regularly) ? He definately made a sincere effort but he is finished in regards to speed and agility. Caught out on numerous occasions.

Its time to spring clean with a yard brush, we have had the nucleus of the same team for too long, who were never title contenders but unfortunately got paid as such.

we have 4 or 5 talented youth, McDaid, Nash etc who might not win us a title but will cost us 1/4 of the wages.

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I've attended enough Setanta Cup games to know its an issue.

I'm not going to get into allocation of blame, but its there.

Maybe you're just used to it by now?

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No one said it wasn't an issue but it is not a prevelant as you indicated.

Derry City see Red at Celtic bill


DERRY CITY Chairman Pat McDaid has refused to comment on claims that Irish League side, Cliftonville, have sent an invoice to the Brandywell club to cover a share of Glasgow Celtic's expenses from the recent friendly fixture at Solitude.
It's believed the Belfast 'Reds' are about to send a bill - totalling several thousand pounds - to the cash-strapped 'Candy Stripes' to cover a share of Celtic's travel, food and hotel costs during their stay in Belfast at the beginning of October.

Just 48 hours before a scheduled game at Brandywell, Derry City cancelled an arranged friendly with the 'Hoops' which was to form part of Paddy McCourt's transfer to the Parkhead club.

If the game had gone ahead, it's understood Derry City had arranged to split the costs with the Belfast club to fund Celtic's expenses during the trip.

However, as the game was cancelled by chairman, Pat McDaid, due to the quality and strength of the Celtic team - the list of players failed to include a recognised first team player - it's believed the Derry City Board have no intention of settling any bill.

Mr. McDaid has since approached the powers-that-be at Celtic Park to arrange just one match - on a date of Celtic's own choosing - but with a guarantee that a full strength Celtic team will grace the Brandywell.

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Originally Posted by RonnieB

Kenny apparently said the players havent been paid in two months... that is beyond nuts.

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plus the players wont get paid this weekend too..

Derry league move 'not on agenda'


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...sh/8331030.stm

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Originally Posted by SMorgan

Derry league move 'not on agenda'

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Neither is settling our debts it appears.

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Originally Posted by MariborKev

Neither is settling our debts it appears.

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Before we even attempt to settle our debts we need to cut the outgoings ASAP. That means releasing 4 or 5 overpaid players this week. For the life of me i cant understand why any Derry fan would collect money in the City centre to compensate overpaid players, thats were it would go.

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Originally Posted by SMorgan

Derry league move 'not on agenda'


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...sh/8331030.stm

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Is this meant to be a surprise ?

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Originally Posted by dortie

Before we even attempt to settle our debts we need to cut the outgoings ASAP. That means releasing 4 or 5 overpaid players this week. For the life of me i cant understand why any Derry fan would collect money in the City centre to compensate overpaid players, thats were it would go.

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Can't be done. They have binding contracts and can't sign for anyone else until January. Why would they agree to simply not being paid the rest of their contracts?

Why aren't gate receipts going toward paying players wages, surely this is Derrys largest bill, where is that money going for the last 2 months of non-payment of players?

It would be terrible for derry to switch leagues, I love to hate going to the Brandywell.

Am I right in saying that Derry City have special dispensation form UEFA to play in the LOI?

So if the returned in another guise like Cork have done over the years they would not be allowed to play in the LOI?

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Originally Posted by belfastred

Am I right in saying that Derry City have special dispensation form UEFA to play in the LOI?

So if the returned in another guise like Cork have done over the years they would not be allowed to play in the LOI?

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We already returned in another guise in the mid 90s.

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Originally Posted by dortie

For the life of me i cant understand why any Derry fan would collect money in the City centre to compensate overpaid players, thats were it would go.

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Exactly.

As a mutual acquaintance of ours emailed me yesterday

"A bucket collection is a stupid idea to be honest. No-one even knows how much in debt we are and even if we did, it's going to be so big that a bucket collection could never cover it. Can you imagine walking up to a front door with a bucket: "Derry City are broke, can you give me some money?" "Naw, I work in Stream and am being made redundant in December. My wife worked in Seagate Limavady and was made redundant last year. And you want me to give you money to pay people for playing football? Off ye go."

What are the chances of Derry getting a licence for next season?

Have they broke any of the rules yet?

I take it not paying players does break the rules?

Will they have broken the 65% rule as well?

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Originally Posted by redobit

Why aren't gate receipts going toward paying players wages, surely this is Derrys largest bill, where is that money going for the last 2 months of non-payment of players?

It would be terrible for derry to switch leagues, I love to hate going to the Brandywell.

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Wages>Gate Receipts therefore players aren't getting paid.

For the last two months I would say the crowd is between 70-90% season ticket holders, so little or no gate receipts.