[QUOTE=pineapple stu;2213438]Actually ~ 2% is a big number whey you consider that the BBC was at one time greatly respected in the UK ~ It isn't anymore, when you consider all of the Defund The BBC Campaigns !Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
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[QUOTE=pineapple stu;2213438]Actually ~ 2% is a big number whey you consider that the BBC was at one time greatly respected in the UK ~ It isn't anymore, when you consider all of the Defund The BBC Campaigns !Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
"If you're against Antifa, what are you in favour of?"Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I am certainly not in favour of Antifa. Their name suggests that they are anti-facist but their actions are anything but anti-facist.
Surely you agree with me that their actions in the summer of 2018 were beyond reprehensible?
"I would be happy to discuss the BBC at some point later," from a previous post. The reasoning - the BBC is not in the news at this time. The pardons by Biden and Trump are. Feel free to speak in detail about both, like I asked you to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The usual virtue signalling and posturing, from somebody that probably lives in a Bishops Palace behind high walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
The American People just voted decisively to put a stop to the virtue signalling nonsense that this privileged Bishop is pulpit-ing ! !
It's interesting that you, like the new President, should attack the messenger here and not the message.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Trumps complete lack of empathy will be the main reason he gets nothing achieved. All he has are these XO's and most of them from a policy standpoint will be legally challenged the same as last time. In order to get things done you need to work with people. He's all stage and no substance.
You do understand how Democracy works ~ ~ President Donald J Trump has just won decisively the election on his manifesto ~ ~ He is also is a strong position in the House and Senate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
President Donald J Trump has an obligation to instigate his manifesto ~ A Democratic duty to do that !
His only duty in his own mind is to himself . The only reason he ran was to try and stave off prison. Now himself and Melania are billions of dollars up on a Ponzi crypto scheme . Everything to him is purely business. He cares not a jot about the average American. He'll be playing golf 4 times a week and making speeches for the next 4 years and if enough people swallow his guff he might set up Ivanka or Barron to go next.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
And you think the Shower that are at the top of the Democrat Party are any different ? !Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Deflecting again. No answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
You've gone from 'duty to implement a manifesto' to 'ah sure I know he's corrupt but they are all the same' in 2 posts.
You do realise that Joe Biden has just pardoned a good number of his family !Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Not to mention the January 6th committee and Fauci !
BBC. I never watch the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
What a thread :D
Antifa sounds great in principle but the problem is that the definition of fascist has been *******ized to include anyone that doesnt think exactly like me/us. It just defeats the whole purpose of meaningfully combatting actual fascism and racism - and clouds the otherwise worthy principle. There is a reason they are still fairly fringe - most people look at what they do and think "I could be next". At a simple level, it is a dangerous extension of the stupid cancel culture that is also prevalent. I am anti-fascism and anti-racism (like most - 99% of - normal people) but i would never align with Antifa. There has been a lot of needless violence and criminal damage carried out in their name. No thanks.
So you're against the group that are against fascism. So, you're in favour of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Playing word games now are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Good point Sean. People tend to forget that Donald Trump has an obligation to keep the promises he made on the campaign trail (instigate his manifesto as you put it). Just hours in office, he has ordered the release of the J6 prisoners (some who haven't even been charged let alone gone to trial). Promises made, promises kept.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
ANTIFA is just one of the many things Trump supporters shout when pressed on his failings.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Justify 6th Jan? - But what about ANTIFA! It not really relevant to Trump supporters who they are..
Withdraw from climate agreements. - LOOK.- CHINA!
Trump is a convicted Felon! - BUT SLEEPY JOE IS A CROOK (apparently) .
Seanfhear has mentioned the Biden pardons 3 times in the last 2 days each time as if it's somehow fresh information.
It goes on and on.
Its FAUCI
It's those BLM people
It's FENTANYL
It's MEXICAN GANGS
It's TARIFFS
and the MSM like *checks notes - the BBC are covering all this up..
Nonsense.
No, I asked you about the BBC in the context of the pardons. I used their reporting to shed some light on Biden's pardons, and your response was to say the BBC wasn't a reputable news source. I'm asking you why, given you think Mark Levin is a reputable source. So far, your only response has been to argue it's because American media sites have likened Trump to Hitler. Surely even you can see that argument makes no sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
No it's not?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
And any idiot can start a campaign or a petition. Doesn't mean anything.
What's happened with BBC's Israel coverage? I haven't been watching it at all, so curious on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
For the love of God will ya stop beating the dead horse. For the umpteenth time I would be happy to discuss the BBC "at a later time." Remind me, was there any other element to our ongoing discussion, like something I asked you to do (instead of me answering the questions all of the time). How about you do that first, and we can progress from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
P.S. Mark Levin is a reputable source, a very reputable source. He's a legal scholar, has a national audience and has some very high-profile guests on his show. He is well thought of in conservative circles and is an authority on the constitution. What exactly do you dislike about him? I'd be interested to know.
I wouldn’t argue against a lot of that. I just am not a fan of Antifa. In the same way I’m not a fan of the Proud Boys or whatever bunch of losers is applicable. Extremism just doesn’t do it for me no matter what shade of sh!te is being spewed. For what it’s worth, and believe it or not, I’m not a massive fan of Trump (I felt he was treated a bit unfairly throughout his first term but that’s different) - but I also don’t think he’s Hitler/fascist/racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
I'd be happy to - once you answer the question. It's very relevant to the discussion given you tried to use the BBC's lack of reputation as a journalistic outlet to dismiss comments discussed in the thread (specifically, why Biden pardoned Fauci and those who tried the rioters Trump has since pardoned)Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
And it's even more relevant given you now argue Levin is "a very reputable source" and ask me why I disagree. You ask me the same question you refuse to answer!
And you know what? I'll answer it. In fact, I've already answered it - I noted pages back that he was renowned for - and has a penchant for - outrage over substance. He's known for being uncivil, which is unhelpful in debate. He's also demonstrated a clear bias in his comments. I even gave a proper link with a selected quote to back my views up. (Let's not forget the video of his you linked to make a point wasn't even there!)
See how easy that is? Your turn now.
Why do you think the BBC is no longer a reputable journalistic outlet, in contradiction to an available evidence and views, including almost everyone on this thread? And let's not hear the same nonsense about how it's because some American media likened Trump to Hitler. That's not relevant
Well firstly, very little coverage of daily atrocities.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Secondly, the language used, where Israelis are murdered but Palestinians die, and so on.
It got to the point that I no longer check the BBC for news related to that. I go to The Independent site instead.
Alot of news outlets have done the same and it’s disgraceful,wasn’t it the BBC who used videos of Israeli hooligans going on the rampage in Amsterdam and said it was a video of them being attacked by locals ?? The word “pogrom” was used aswell I think……Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Yeah, that was one example of the BBC, and as you say, many other media, behaving absolutely disgracefully in terms of their failure to correct a story.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Wow!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
What were you asked to speak about and what did you actually speak about? Where does Mark Levin come into presidential pardons?
If you want to keep playing cat and mouse you are welcome to do that. I'm afraid I won't be participating in your game.
Nope. You specifically asked me about Mark Levin. You in fact said (and I quote) "P.S. Mark Levin is a reputable source, a very reputable source. [...] What exactly do you dislike about him? I'd be interested to know."
But now I've answered your direct question, your position becomes "What were you asked to speak about and what did you actually speak about? Where does Mark Levin come into presidential pardons?"
We can all see your argument is all over the shop, and it severely undermines your credibility here.
Anyway, as you've avoided my question again, I'll ask it once more. Why do you think the BBC is no longer a reputable journalistic outlet, in contradiction to an available evidence and views, including almost everyone on this thread? And let's not hear the same nonsense about how it's because some American media likened Trump to Hitler. That's not relevant.
Nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Why?
You ask me my view on something, I reply, you tell me that's not the question you asked, I tell you (quoting your post) it was, and you think that's nuts?
Isn't it interesting how you're practically unable to form a cogent argument?
Compare that with when I asked osarusan about his criticism of the BBC (which came with the initial caveat of "In general they're good") - he was able to make a couple of brief rational and specific points to support his view (on Israel/Palestine coverage in particular), which added to the debate.
You in the meantime have first off tried to rationalise your view of the BBC by saying some American media likens Trump to Hitler, then you run away like a child saying you don't want to answer the question, and now you resort to insults.
You could have just answered the question in all that time. But I suspect you don't actually know why your view of the BBC is what it is - you're just parroting stuff you've heard on a very narrow-focus range of social media outlets and you don't actually understand what it is you're saying. So when you're asked to support your view, you can't.
I blame the Politicians that brought us to this place in the first place !Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Why do Politicians get to walk away from the mess's that they leave behind them ? !
I mean no one is more critical of politicians than me but how is "I don't like the look of you" now acceptable. He's an awful awful human being.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Do you like the look of Donald Trump ? ! ( wink )Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
And another example of media deception from this mornings New York Post.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
https://nypost.com/2025/01/23/us-new...-other-scoops/
I'm certainly glad he didn't get elected president
3 pages of the BBC discussion, now you are posting a link and it's to the nypost.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
It's like being on the recieving end of an elaborate prank.
Tee hee!
I'm minded of the legendary "Dumbass" thread from years ago. I can't think why :)
Sure Trump is great!
Trump's press conference in the wake of the plane/helicopter crash must be one of the most tone-deaf moments of American presidency I've ever seen.
He had one job - to console and send thoughts and prayers, but he could not resist banging on about diversity and weakness. Then he's asked if he'll visit the site, and he asks if they want him to go swimming.
Normally I'd say he is astonishingly out of touch, but actually he has a cohort of fanatical supporters who will support and defend him, not matter how utterly stupid or crass his behaviour. I guess he is in touch with them.