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Not familiar with the other 2 Radiostar but that Cronin lad is definitly worth a look.Also very surprised that Ricky Gettings is not included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiostar
2 guys definitly worth a look are Dave Dineen and Eamon O Sullivan from Park.Dave is captain for the year after deservedly getting player of the year last year and is still only 21.
Eamon has been top goalscorer for the past 6 seasons and is enjoying his new role behind our two strikers this season.
Couple of questions Littleman, Was Figo asked to play this year ????? Harry Goulding to me is as good as Shinkwin and better than Brian Sull was he not asked ?????Quote:
Originally Posted by littleman
O'Mahony is a good player and just as good as John Sull from Castleview so he could easily have got a call,Cronin tho in my opinon would not be Oscar Traynor material neither is Hallissey. What about Alan Greaney he's a proven goalscorer in the Premier division ! is it because he dropped a few divisions to play with friends and as a fella would say out of sight out of mind :rolleyes: ????? Jason Forde is well capable of making that squad also, a few years back i know he played with the MSL Oscar Traynor team. Joe Ryan is a lad not many on here will know, he played with Ballyphehane and still only 23 he,s playing with our Juniors. A goalscoring right back not many of them arund !!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiostar
From Cork aul.com
Coachford v Grattan Utd Ref Michael O'Farrell, Ballyvolane v Castleview Ref Tom Tully are cancelled.
Surely not because of AUL duties Fri. night.
I suppose its easier for us to recommend different players and I know we all have our own opinions. Its might do some of these fellas that are mentioned no harm, if the right people are reading this site!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkboy
Personally, I am disapointed for my brother. He didnt make the 11 last year, or even the 14 on all but one games, but he should have called all last years squad back for first training.
Always good to listen to opinion, but, the great thing about our sport is that two guys can watch the same game and have polar opposite opinions. He should have looked himself.
I have always been a fan of Saturday afternoon re Sunday morning, but it is killing my brother at present. Arriving 20 minutes before kick off and gone back to work straight after. You can see the tiredness in his play.
Where is Anthony Buckley from Wilton? Is he retired? May not fit the age the age profile, but ran the show in the AUL games I saw him in last year.
The old problem exists of not enough time for the manager. Last year was the first year our club felt an attachment to the team because we had representation from two guys. To the clubs further down the league ladder, they feel no attachment to the side. If the manager was appointed in July when training started, he could have training games for each division from August. He may find a gem and may not, but, at least guys and clubs see their name on the paper associated with the AUL side, and feel some attachment. I know this year was hard for the AUL for many reasons, but, maybe the planning is needed now for next years appointment or a two, three year plan for the current set-up.
I understand the opposition has to be taken into account, but, personally, I never fancy three at the back. Too much space out the wings for them. Your width restricted with wingers ploughing up and down the wing. Where do you go when you are 1 down with 15 to go - 2 at the back? Liverpools 4-2-3-1 maybe?
Who am I to question the system that Rockmount have used for years?
suprised to see 7 on panel from kinsale seeing their start to the season has not been the greatest at all being knocked out of munster early and not start to league they would of wished. pity only 1 leeside player on team, certainly a few more worth a go there. ricky getts, coleman cody centre mid is a serious player, playin with midleton for last few years and also paul condon is a fantastic centre half. we all know the managment team has had not time on their side for this game so the next squad could have a lot of names that we are on about here on it.
Leeside played 3 league games so far horse so this who i think have done well on day in those games.
Kinsale: Jeremy o donovan(think that name)
Leeside: Brian O Sullivan
Knockavilla: Rob Walsh
Leeside: Richard Gettings
Wilton: Keeper ( foreign lad, unreal how he is not on aul panel, best keeper in league )
Leeside: Coleman Cody
Personally I think the panel should be picked from the premier and premier a divisions, I know that you will always have a number of players who may be worth a chance outside of that, but to be fair to the management how will they find the time to see them all. And I think anyone playing in the premier divisions are playing against better opposition each week which should keep them sharper than somebody down a few divisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Southsider
this .a.u l panel is a complete joke,7 from kinsale,saw them in mossylinane final last year and were only average .ballyvolanesentre back didnt give varian a ball.i see that sunday games are off even if you have one player on panel.a.u l.playing friday night.mark my words that team will not win anything ,when it comes to the crunch.even the best goalkeeper in the league isnt. picked.wiltons italian is head and shoulders above the two picked.
If thats the case it shoud be picked from premier aloneQuote:
Originally Posted by Radiostar
I think the best players available should be selected regardless of what division they are playing in - Alan Greaney for example is a good case in point - he hasnt suddenly turned intot a bad player because he has gone playing first divisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Radiostar
Would also have thought the Wilton keeper would definitely be worth considering as Minty is gone or is his previous problem still being held against him?
Maybe but its just an opinion!Quote:
Originally Posted by el nino coro
I agreed that there are some guys outside the prem divs but maybe sometimes these fellas look better against the standard of opposition they are facing each week!Quote:
Originally Posted by olachico
Yeah fair point but surely its worth having a look at themQuote:
Originally Posted by Radiostar
on ball bella, gettings is better than majority of forwards on panel. another who really didn see eyeto eye with minty. wilton keeper is by far best keeper in the whole of aul, suprised not snapped up by msl side. hopefully for aul sake previous problem is not still on going, nt sure what problem was or is there. another player from leeside who should be on panel, Barry (pookie) Goggin ex youghal left back, is tyner from kinsale left back, if is dont know how he would be ahead of pookie!
Fair points all bein put across by all lads.A few questions being asked an I have some answers but not all.
The keeper for Wilton is good,very good but there are top class keepers in our league who also didnt get picked.Personally I think the lad fro Dillons who had a trail game witht the Aul panel was worth a call.Also Dermot from Ballyvolane and last seasons Kanturk keeper.
If Bevan is deemed not as good as any of the Kinsale back line with the exception of Bradfield an Jermey at either fullback or center half then I have real reservations about the knowledge this coaching team has about the players in its league.Bevan was picked last year to supply cover at either center half or full back an from what I have seen last season an this it was a good solid choice.To not even receive a call back if thats the case is a total an utter joke.Totally disrespectful.
Lofty our keeper was recomended to the new manager by the old manager as the best replacement because Paddy wasnt available but the man made his own call.Unfortunatley the Wilton keeper had a run in with the last manager an wether its right or wrong those things follow ya around.Greaney could have been an option up front but it may have been the case , though as good as he is he had a tendency to react the wrong way if the refs didnt blow an in these one off games ya need your best players on the pitvh for 90 mins.
Figo is injured an Harry Goulding was called to the 2 sessions but seemingly has been deemed not as good as what was picked,which from the whole selection is the worst omission of the lot in my view.With such a short time before the game all you can do is look to league form and the Gratts backline of Shinkwin.Harry an Brian Sull are the best 3 center halfs available to him.Especially if 3/5/2 is whats been spoken about.But again hes made his own decision.
Gettings looked back to form in the game I saw him play an for me he would at the very least have more experience to bring to such a big game.Of the other Leeside lads,maybe the lad from Midelton is worth a shout alright as a holding midfielder.Though I will say the small lad up front for Leeside would not be a bad replacement for Paul O'Mahony,goin on what I saw against Dromee he got 2 super goals.
We suffered last season against the Kerry team because they passed the ball around an through us at times in midfield an lookin at our midfield now it dosent look like a midfield that will chase an win the ball or even be capeble of gettin physcial and tryin to dominate.If im bein maybe to harsh Ill apoligise but Im only sayin it as I see it.
I suppose we will all have a say an we will all think we are right,the Ballyvolane lads have a gripe too an well justified.They beat Park,Grattan an Kinsale,won the Mossie yet nothin.So much for doin well.The sweeper from Kanturk was superb in the Keane tournement the Aul played preseason,not selected either.The Polish lad up front for Park is the best Iv seen this season,an the Park center half was someone who id sign in a flash an considering how strong we are this year at center half thats sayin somtin.Hallesey is the best left sided midfielder in the league,goin forward or attacking an his delivery is second to none,of the players we were asked for everybody thought he would be a certain first 11,an especially so as delivery from corners an set peices could be vital..But thems the joys hope the man and the people who are helping him know what they are doing,,,,,,,,,,,,
I'd agree with you bout our keeper JJ Lynch, would definately be one of the best around, I think Ballyvolane players are suffering for their poor league form last year, they won the Mossie Linnane but were lucky not to get relegated in the league and I'm sure last year against Knockavilla there wouldnt have been too many of them stood out, and this would stay with the manager, they've brought in a lot of new players this year and as the season progresses and they keep up their good form they'll be knocking on the door, I dont know what the criteria to get on the panel, last year we had Greg Kelly playing either left back or on the wing, nobody we played against came close to him, this season he joined Mayfield Seniors and is after going straight into the first team and has stood out even in this level and he wasnt given a look by the Oscar Traynor Boss. The same can be said for Clive Kiely a player with MSL experience who can win games single handedly. Maybe its because were seen as a small club. On another note I'm glad to see John Dennehy getting a chance, a willing runner who can score a goal from nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by littleman
kanturk keeper from last year now with ringmahon seniors.Quote:
Originally Posted by littleman
PROMOTION \ RELEGATION
The following are the Promotion\Relegation arrangements for the current season.
Premier: 2 relegated.
Premier A: 2 promoted and 2 relegated.
First Division: 1 promoted and 2 relegated from each section.
Second Division: 1 promoted and 1 relegated from each section.
Third Division: 2 promoted from each section.
Ill 2nd that Bluey i could name 10 full backs better then that Tyner fella. He's no where good enough for that team !Quote:
Originally Posted by bluey
Bluey, can you stick positions on these to make life easier and I will update once a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluey
Kinsale: Jeremy o donovan(think that name) (Centre Back)
Leeside: Brian O Sullivan (Centre Back)
Knockavilla: Rob Walsh (Striker)
Leeside: Richard Gettings (Striker)
Wilton: Keeper ( foreign lad, unreal how he is not on aul panel, best keeper in league )
Leeside: Coleman Cody (Centre Midfield)
Gettings looked back to form in the game I saw him play an for me he would at the very least have more experience to bring to such a big game.Of the other Leeside lads,maybe the lad from Midelton is worth a shout alright as a holding midfielder.Though I will say the small lad up front for Leeside would not be a bad replacement for Paul O'Mahony,goin on what I saw against Dromee he got 2 super goals.
Johnny Barrett ex midleton and maymount is lad up front u talking about littleman, fantastic player. would also be worth a shout for panel
Southsider,in fairness,Martin Cronin not Oscar Traynor Material??????Quote:
Originally Posted by Southsider
But 7 Kinsale players are!!!!! Stop now boy,i guarantee Cronin is as good if not better than whats being considered.His speed alone would put him in the frame not mind his skill and goalscoring.
I appreciate that you are just giving your opinion which is fair enough but its madness to say he's not oscar traynor material.
junglegym I nearly forgot ya.No great underhanded reason for the game being off Sunday.Leeside an Wilton only have one lad each on the Aul team an they have taken advantage of the free weekend that they are entitled to as a result of havin said players on the squad.A game down in your place is never easy an we'd just not take the chance that we would have to go there with anything less than a full strenght squad an we cant afford to take the chance of riskin points when we can avoid it.If it was the other way around Im sure you'd want your team to be as strong as possible playin us.Like you have said your only a result away from sortin yourselves out an if we were shorthanded because of any injurys picked up on Friday nite,I wouldnt want us to be the turnin point of your season.
Blue an red,we all agree ye could an should have had at the very least a few lads invited down to the trials but but not everybody may think your named players are deserving of a call because they kept Varian quite or even did the double over Grattan.If all was as good as it sounds then ye would have been challanging at the other end of the table,so there must be downside to said players games.If anything the Leeside lads have the axe to grind,they did all the damage before Derek returned,yet hes the only player selected.Park have been one of the top 4 sides for the last few years,again no one picked,Lucey from Coachford is better than your center half or the Castleview lad,but again didnt even get a look.I could go on all day about players who were over looked but it wouldnt change whos been picked.Best thing to do Blue an red is keep doin well like ye are an hope he sees ye are tryin hard to improve.Buy the way last season ye beat us twice an Shinks an Sully were made to look quite ordinary,but yet with the Oscar side they looked the best center halfs in the country,go figure.At least there back to normal this season with us.
i dont agree with this set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug89
its obvious they need to balance the leagues but think 2 should be promoted from 1st and 2nd divisons still.
You can relegate 3 teams still to make it all the more interesting
Just think if the league is decided by christmas players and management from other clubs might lose interest.
For example There was a great tussle between ourselves, Kilreen and Glenvale the last few games last season for the last promotion spot as grangevale had it all wrapped up.
None of this in Divisions 1,1A,2,2A and 2b this season.
What will Barry Peelo have to write about in the last few games!!
Lads for all the giving out about the AUL we have to take a little of the pain once in a while - the leagues at the moment are a disaster and something needs to be done right away - while i accept your point mkbucks that it might make things a bit uninteresting at the business end of the league it has to be done at some pointQuote:
Originally Posted by mkbucks
I would like the league stucture in the future to be the following.
Premier
/
Premier A
/ \
1 1A
/ \
2 2A
/ \
3 3A
though even this wouldnt be perfect - the problem is the bottle neck when 2 divisions condense into 1
I take your point Littleman,but you're taking mine wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by littleman
I just said i disagreed with Southsider saying that Cronin was NOT Oscar Traynor material,nothing More.
I firmly believe he is Oscar Traynor material the same as the Park Boys,Leeside lads,and Lucey as you just described above.
i said nothing about Mark o Mahony keeping Varian quiet,thats not enough to be considered good enough.In my opinion mark needs another season at least to really find his feet.(Has the potential though)
And finally,i also never mentioned doing the double over Grattan as a reason for us to be considered more.Dont know where that came from.
We also did the double over a couple of other teams,beat Park and Wilton also.
With all due respect Littleman,beating Grattan twice,as delighted as we were,was not the highlight of our season or a reason to think we're world beaters.i played every minute of both games so i know what i'm talking about!!!
So,like i said my whole point is that Martin Cronin IS Oscar Traynor material in my book,never mentioned any other Ballyvolane man.
this team isnt half as good or talented as last seasons a.u.l. squad.watch this space.
Ya littleman,our polish lad Swalvik is a fine player.Not sure how he would do in a team of players he doesnt know but still is just as good as any of the other lads.Quote:
Originally Posted by littleman
Which Centre half was it? Eamon O Connor or Shane Cahill?
sorry blue an red,theres a few of ye Bally lads on so my apoligies if i crossed wires,an ur rite beaten us twice last season wasnt a big scalp as we wernt great,whos kidn who like
Time to make a call on the game tomorrow an I may as well get behind um,Kerry Aul 1 Cork Aul 2 (Cans and Walsh).
I like this structure olachico...my only fear is we may have more drop-outs if theres nothing to play for and possibly more player transfers if their team is out of their respective leagues by christmas!Quote:
Originally Posted by olachico
Lots of talk about the AUL manager and who he should and should not have picked! Its great having all these different opinions though. Everyone fighting their own clubs corner. On the Keeper, i think the Wilton Keeper is a smashing player. But for me Brendan Hurley is top class. Great shot stopper and his distribution is pin point - definate starter.
Tyner isn't a left full back so ye can all calm down a small bit. He may have played there on occasion with Kinsale but he has mostly been used as a centre back and played very well. A polarising character, love him or hate him he's very good. Micky Brad is our left back and i think he will be for the aul tonight as well. Best left back by a country mile in the league. That's presuming it's 4-4-2.
Glad to see Derek McCarthy get the captains armband this year. Hopefully get off to a winning start tonight. I'm going to follow little man and say a 2-1 win for Cork. Scully and Delea.
Just getting back to some of the comments about certain fellas not being asked down and it being disrespectful! I think ye're all having a laugh. The manager has had two weeks and three training sessions to get a squad together. He's obviously going to lean on the knowledge he has already. All this tripe about being disrespectful and not looking at the lower leagues should be held off a while. He's had little time to get a squad together so lets just see how it pans out over the next month or so before we go mad. I personally feel that the AUL team should be made up of mostly premier players. While there maybe good players in the lower divisions, not doubting some of their ability and that they are up to the standard, premier players are playing higher quality opposition week in week out. Premier teams in the past have made it to the latter stages of national competitions, these are the players who are best equipped to play for the Cork Aul. The likes of Kinsale, Grattan etc should form the core of this squad. Fair enough leeside can feel hard done by with only one player but give it time.
These are only my opinions. Shoot them down, talk them up:ball::D
Couldnt help laughing at this - Wilton won the league last year and have one player????Quote:
Originally Posted by bogwarrior
Ballyvolane won the mossie linnane and have no players on the panel
And Kinsale won the AOH (just about in an awful match) and have 7??
There is a first division goalkeeper on the panel ( a good one I might add) and 3 players playing premier A plus 2 knockavilla players who were playing outside the Premier last year so to say its not worth looking at other players is a myth
Now i dont think the manager is to blame as his appointment was late but for me it seems like someone has too much influence!!
And yes I do think it is disrespectful not to bring a fella who was in last years winning panel and who is now playing Premier A to a training session - or hey even a phonecall to say he wasnt being called up - but what do I know????
bog warrior what plannet are you on.hurley wouldnt hold the wilton keepers coat.hurley suspect to the high ball.wilton keeper a huge presence. tyner .4 games played this season .3 bookings and a sending off.and for that sending off he should have got a heafty suspension. o reagan the manager from bandon area,picks x bandon players ,kinsale players whom he trained in pre season, and knockavilla payers whom he managed. weheather tyner is a full back or a center back ,he is a liability.a o h final only player to be booed by crowd and his reaction was a disgrace.more interested in his hair style and blue boots.
Wouldn't like to get on your wrong side shetland!!! Luckily I never had a fancy hairstyle!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by shetland
Lads i watched wilton v kinsale in the last game of the season and the kinsale defence was run ragged by the wilton attackers an yet still they manage to nearly line out the backline for the aul squad,was someone watching a different game than me!!?,in regards to your man tyner i've never heard a fella to bitch so much on a field,in fairness to the wilton lads they just laughed at him which seemed to make him worse,to be honest id be suprised if he gets a run maybe they just have him there to wreck the kerry lads headsQuote:
Originally Posted by shetland
I think every club should have the chance to send at least 4 players from most divisions to some sort of trial way before it kicks off and then at least it would give every lad a chance who thinks he's good enough and then tnere wont be anymore complaining of lads not getting a fair go,way to late now but could be something to look in the future!!