Will we be able to nominate and elect at the EGM or will we have to wait for another meeting to do that????
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Will we be able to nominate and elect at the EGM or will we have to wait for another meeting to do that????
:pThe way I would do it is any committee member who is against the Chairman now, should be nominated to resign when he's relected. I think it's only right because this could go on forever and ever.Quote:
A question for the people who called this agm, do the committee members who called this and asked for a motion of no confidence in the chairman, do they resign if and when the motion is defeated?
Must cost a fortune in blazers...............
Yep, time for the banners!
What if I printed out 50 or so A4 sheets that say "Walsh In" and "Fook the MSL"???
A motion of no confidence in the chairman should at the very least require each member to evaluate the chairmans performance without personal prejudice.
Barry has done fabulous work for the club and this must be applauded however he is accountable to the elected committee and to the members.
At the last EGM/AGM I was amazed at the bickering that went on,.. the auditor was fantastic because he detailed the financial position impartially.
The most worrying aspect in my humble opinion is that there has been no business plan documented or for that matter not even a mission statement. Financial planning has factored in far too many variables for the club to progress in a particular direction.
I am on neither side and will make my mind up on the night, I hope both sides will put their cases forward without resorting to personal insult or bickering
(we'll leave that to the Brits in their House of parliment).
What if we print a good hundred or two and hand them to anybody in support of Barry Walsh at the gate?Quote:
Originally Posted by rambler14
I will be giving my support to Barry but it won't be unconditional.Quote:
Originally Posted by rammie
Book-keeping will have to be put into order and will have to be kept uptodate for monthly reports. Efforts will have to be made to put a comprehensive budget plan in place for 2009. Not thrown onto a sheet of paper when it's looked for.
Realistic income expectations will have to be made, not what is hoped for, the best case worst case will have to be balanced out.
He has great contacts and a good buisness knowledge but needs to use the buisness tools to keep control.
He still is IMO the best man for the job at present but as I have said before things can and will have to be run better.
nobody can plan anything in football, support is to fickle, its grand for this year, but our wages will come in line next year with the wage cap coming in, you would expect for our first year back in the prem for attendances to be a bit higher, and obviously they misjudged the support this town has for its club,
i think if everyone can pull in the same direction and proper procedures are there and kept, we will do good, might have to tighten the purse strings but thats just a sacrifice well have to make,
also the general manager is somthing that the club should seriously consider, a full-time professional, who is qualified to run this club on a daily basis, not havin a go at the current management but they are volunteers
general manager is deinitely a way forward, it would remove need for bar manager and a book keeper he/she could include all these roles in job description, u would have a person with finger on pulse daily and problems could be sorted before they develop, immediately it makes a cost saving because what was 2/3 jobs becomes one, allowing more money to be concentrated on team
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Originally Posted by ramsfan
110% correct Ramsfan.
Any money that can be saved nedds to be done immediatly (even it means removing 2 positions in the club to form one General Manager).
All money saving proceedures need to be viewed and MONEY CONCENTRATED ON TEAM!!!
someone agreeing with me i dont believe ,:eek:
it is great to talk about committees etc but no matter is there they will only ever have so much money available so what money is ther needs to distributed correctly not paying excessive money in areas that could be avoided
Heard today that there is more trouble a brewing!
every seems to be revealing things so why not just put it out there,:ball:
It's not my duty to divulge it and I'm not in the position for a public announcement, so i'm keeping quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ramsfan
we cant really reduce costs on team they are what is most important we need to look at other areas, immediately we should look at remove role of bar manager this role could be filled in interim by a mix of existing bar staff, club office staff and existing treasurer so is well able to organise bar rotas and stock control, this would increase bar revenue and would allow for signing of new players, would you rather wages spent on ie stephen o flynn or on a role to my mind that seems to be an unnecesary burden on club
transport costs should also be addressed, sending players on the train to dublin and hiring an empty bus to go to dublin to bring them home is criminal waste of money, this is loi not champions league
this is the start of my ideas , no matter who is chairman who is committee they will have to make hard decisions at the end of the day,:)
Certainly agree that all cost-cutting measures need to be identified and acted on immediately!!!.Quote:
Originally Posted by ramsfan
Bar manager wages far to much - im sure this could be used elsewhere, ie. -TEAM WAGES (extra experienced players). :ball:
Regarding transport, cant see this working (train) as evening Kick Offs will result in team missing last train from Dublin to Cork and having to be put up over nite in Dublin(extra expense). :confused:
what i meant about transport was we have in the past sent players on train to dublin , then sent an empty bus to dublin to bring them home
roughly about 2000 euro for train and 3-400 for a bus
that sort of money no matter what league you are in is criminal
what should happen is club shuld have its own 35 seater bus there is lots of guys with licences who could drive it and if you work out per year spend on buses it would pay for itself in a couple of years
Ideally yes but buses don't come cheap...even on lease I'd say.
but surely over 3or so seasons if you added total costes of travel together you would go a long way to paying for it, loads of psv licence holders in cobh who would drive for very little, insurance may be a problem, but it is not as bad as you may think just an idea ?
I've been to every away game this year bar Derry and Galway, including Wexford in the cup, Fingal in the cup and Waterford in the cup.
That adds up to 8 games. I estimate that each journey could cost around €60 with the trip to Harps costing just a little more(about €80 to €100).
Which means that i've spent nearly €500 chasing them around the country. Surely it would make more sense to allow fans on the bus to help cover the costs???:confused:
Hendo saw that a consistent bunch were travelling to away games and asked us would we like to travel on the bus. He went to the commitee and they told him to forget it, and told him that it was a terrible idea.
Players and fans travelling together IS a terrible idea.
TRUE, players need time to focus on game ahead on the trip!.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Be it playin there psp, listen to there ipods, sleeping or watching DVD's.
Surely having fans on the bus singing, chanting
('' oh yer all a pack of w'%nkers down de fornt) and annoying the lads isnt good preperation.
I got a better idea, instead of trying to hatchet the Bar Managers job so some Committee croney can fill the position under a different guise, why not lease the position to the existing Manager for lets say €50,000 a year. That way the club would immediately be up the €50,000 plus what they had previously paid in salary - all in one stroke!
Let the oul MSL brigade come up with one better, and lets not lose sight of the fact that you cannot hatchet that position in its present form without paying out some serious compo which the club doesnt have - but that little fact doesnt seem to bother the MSL screamers!
Excellent idea Redshanks!... hats off to you - most decent money saving idea ive heard for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redshanks
Leasing it out makes money for the CLUB, also saves money on paying his salary and again makes more money for the CLUB!.
Just curios though about having to pay him compo if he was ''hatchetted'' - i was under de impression he only had a month to month rolling contract.
good idea redshanks but surely you could get more than 50 k, certain pubs downtown are being rented for 1200-1500 per week so 65-70 k would be more reasonable from club point of view. but defo makes sense :D
time to call A SPADE A SPADE this is a crisis
the whole club is fighting with each other, finances are dire and team is lifeless , being beaten 5-0 by city is by far the worst night i have experienced as a ramblers supporter
people would want to stop the political mindgames and start realising what this club is actually about IT IS A FOOTBALL CLUB for christ sake at the mo you wouldnt know that
this egm cant come soon enough and get it all in the open and get it sorted
we are the laughing stock of cork tonight and if people still want to go down the political road it shows lack of care for club, i have the greatest respect for the players but they were outfought out classed and outplayed and after 20 minutes basically just gave up, when i was walking out ground i was behind two rams players who didnt make panel, and heard them say god i am delighted i wasnt playin tonight , i would have been a disaster to be involved with that , delighted lads with your loyalty.
Yous were under the wrong impression so Madam -Offsider, or atleast your interpretation of the legal adivice on the matter was. By the way, I didnt propose hatchetting, that seems to be your preferred option (a very costly one) but sure it wont be out of your pocket will it? (all in a higher cause says you and the MSL brigade, when you criple whats left of the club).
RF, get real will you, 1500 per week to lease the rams pub, you said pubs downtown are making that, i know one bar that was getting 1200 per week and owners couldnt sustain it. Get 50k per year maximum and be done with it,the club then will start with 50k in its budget and not worry about running the bar for the rest of the year so a saving will be made on admin expenses aswell including reduced auditor fees so your real saving will be a lot bigger than what you think and this money could go a long way towards the alledged but b**ls**t figure of 15k a week wages for the players that some fool at the agm kept quoting, im sure same guy thinks he is Bill Gates the way he goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ramsfan
RANT OVER
Well done 6 yarder, nice to see a bit of realism injected here once and a while. The trouble with others who had to find fault with my suggestion is they couldnt digest it without thinking of the person who will directly be affected by it, and their blood pressure immediatly shot up, eyes turned red and steam started coming out their ears. The club and its needs were immediately suspended and forgotten about and personal hate took over. I threw out the figure of €50,000 just as a round figure to play with. How could I know what the approbriate figure should be, if higher or lower, but as you said 6 yarder, pubs are closing all over the place these days and are not the goldmines they once were. Perhaps the club should lease it out as an off-licence and we might be onto something then. (I just thought my prposal would help the clubs financial problems, save the manager and legal actions, so that everyone would be a winner, but it doesnt seem that everyone would be happy and that is a different matter) By the way if you lease the bar out for €50K then we are really making more when we include the managers existing salary (whatever that is)!;)
You don't need a psv licence to drive a bus, just the correct category drivers licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by ramsfan
Only the bus needs to be licenced.
An exception to this is the driving of school buses.