Giles adds a big conditional to his support for Venables.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlooooomp
Giles would have to state that he believes TV would concentrate on the job in order for him to be considered pro Venables.
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Giles adds a big conditional to his support for Venables.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlooooomp
Giles would have to state that he believes TV would concentrate on the job in order for him to be considered pro Venables.
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Juanace
What makes managing Poland, Greece or a provincial Dutch club side so much more attractive?
well poland and greece are both in the euros...were not, and realisticallly we would have to wait till after the euros to approach them, meaning a distinct lackof time to prepare for them with new coach(if we get him )
we could offer more money than either of the greek or polish job. some people like money they should be considered
A manager who hasguided his team to the European Championships isnt going to look twice at the Irish job at the moment, dont be silly. Unless we offer silly money neither of those gentlemen would even discuss the job
Glad to hear it. I have no access to Irish radio or TV but what I've seen in the print media has been mainly one way. Maybe the pro-Venables media went out of the traps too early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juanace
In the anti-Venables column I'd add foot.ieQuote:
Originally Posted by Schlooooomp
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If you lot protest Venables and we get that Kendell lad i won't be to pleased with yous.
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Originally Posted by Juanace
Dude... I'm all for being realistic about our options.. Sure I've been championing Greame Sounness on threads here, same as Roy Hodgson when Stan got the job. I'm fully aware that we're not gonna go from hiring Wallsall backroom staff and Underage managers to hiring managers with league titles and high pedigree. But I don't know how you can't see that Venables has treated every job since Euro 96 as a 'nixer'. There's no loyalty to the guy. He's a "me feiner"... He's a gangster aswell to put it bluntly.
And the positives he's achieved, yeah, you can't argue with facts.... But that was back in the early 90's... As they said on Newstalk the other night. Jack Charlton was a good manager in the 90's.. Will we bring him back aswell. The game has moved on from the 90's. We need someone who's moved with the times a bit..
Ah sure we are only a poor small country ( doffing cap in subservience).:rolleyes: Juanace, get a grip and get out of the 19th Century for fcuk sakeQuote:
Originally Posted by Juanace
Name names:
Pro venables:
John Giles - RTE - conditional support, based on venables concentrating on the Irish job and not media profile
Paul Hyland - The Evening Herald
Paul Lennon - The Star
Roy Curtis - The Sunday World
Kenny Cunningham - The Evening herald
Dion Fanning - Irish Independent
Liam Mackey - Irish Examiner
Most players or ex-players have positive things to say about venables, not gonna name names on this one.
Anti venables:
Eamon Dunphy - RTE/The Star
Tom Humphries - The Irish Times
Daniel McDonnell - Irish Independent
Kieran Cunningham - The Star
foot.ie
Help me add to the list please.
see above!.....He certainly knows who is/isn't "good management material"Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlooooomp
Why is that? Do you like old style English managers? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by danonion
you can add newstalk to the anti venables list
According to McDonnell in the Indo Delaney faces a grilling on the prolonged debacle at today's official opening of the FAI's new offices at Abbotstown.
Pro venables:
John Giles - RTE - conditional support, based on venables concentrating on the Irish job and not media profile
Paul Hyland - The Evening Herald
Paul Lennon - The Star
Roy Curtis - The Sunday World
Kenny Cunningham - The Evening herald
Dion Fanning - Irish Independent
Liam Mackey - Irish Examiner
Most players or ex-players have positive things to say about venables, not gonna name names on this one.
Anti venables:
Eamon Dunphy - RTE/The Star
Tom Humphries - The Irish Times
Daniel McDonnell - Irish Independent
Kieran Cunningham - The Star
foot.ie
Newstalk - Off The Ball show
ALAN SUGAR - I'll add him but I'm not sure he has come out and said anything specifically about the Irish job.
Help me add to the list please.
Where is Juanace, I expect him to add to the Pro venables list.
Pro venables:Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlooooomp
John Giles - RTE - conditional support, based on venables concentrating on the Irish job and not media profile
Paul Hyland - The Evening Herald
Paul Lennon - The Star
Roy Curtis - The Sunday World
Kenny Cunningham - The Evening herald
Dion Fanning - Irish Independent
Liam Mackey - Irish Examiner
Most players or ex-players have positive things to say about venables, not gonna name names on this one.
Anti venables:
Eamon Dunphy - RTE/The Star
Tom Humphries - The Irish Times
Daniel McDonnell - Irish Independent
Kieran Cunningham - The Star
Eamon Carr - The Evening Herald
foot.ie
Newstalk
Big difference in the quality of journalist on the bottom list in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Juanace
CRYSTAL PALACE 1976-80
"saw his Eagles soar from Third Division to First in three dizzy seasons" - Not bad i'd say.
30 years ago.
QPR 1980-84
"winning promotion to the First Division (after three seasons) and taking the Rs to the 1982 FA Cup final" - Thats not bad either.
27 years ago.
BARCELONA 1984-87
his team won a weak Spanish league in his first season, and made the last two of a ****-poor post-Heysel European Cup field in his second. - So he also one the spanish league title!
Started well and fell away badly at the end of his reign.
TOTTENHAM 1987-91
"Let's put aside the 1991 FA Cup" - thats not very fair now is it?
Quoted out of context, there is more to that extract.
ENGLAND 1994-96
"England then played above themselves in their final game before going out bravely" - so he got to a semi final and only lost on penalities, hardly a disgrace.
Again quoted out of context, there is more to that extract, look at the 5 games they played and the farcical refereeing in the quarter against Spain. this wasn't total football as some in the media would have you believe.
AUSTRALIA 1996-97
"as two late Iran strikes saw them through on away goals" - i saw this game, they was very unlucky to go out.
I also saw that game and disagree, I think the shape Australia settled into once they went 2 up ceeded the initiative and with defenders pushing up caused them to get caught out. They were ahead 3 times in that tie overall and couldn't close it out. His team selection and tactics for the 2nd leg were questioned big time after that match
MIDDLESBROUGH 2000-01
"truth, it was Venables who called the shots, and steered Boro to eight wins in 25 matches and clear of relegation." - so he saved them from certain relegation?
If he saved them as assistant then why isn't he culpable for England's recent failure when he was in the same role?
Black marks: Crystal Palace and Portmouth didnt work out, possibly Australia, we all know the difficulties Leeds had.
The difficulties Leeds has were multiplied exponentially by TV's failure, the fact that they were in relegation trouble despite the strength of squad they had was a major trigger for the creditors looking for money back, do you think they'd have come knocking had Leeds been top of the league?
I've no problem with Venables early record, it's the last 10 years that concern me.
There's plenty of candidates with a far better recent record mentioned on various threads.
you can add www.chatsoccer.eu to the anti-camp. No pool taken but majority on that forum are negative.
Mark Lawrenson dropped a very basic positive Venables remark (players like him) / anti-Hodgson remark (Finland didn't qualify) in the Irish Times last week.
Pro venables:
John Giles - RTE - conditional support, based on venables concentrating on the Irish job and not media profile
Paul Hyland - The Evening Herald
Paul Lennon - The Star
Roy Curtis - The Sunday World
Kenny Cunningham - The Evening herald
Dion Fanning - Irish Independent
Liam Mackey - Irish Examiner
Mark Lawrenson
Most players or ex-players have positive things to say about venables, not gonna name names on this one.
Anti venables:
Eamon Dunphy - RTE/The Star
Tom Humphries - The Irish Times
Daniel McDonnell - Irish Independent
Kieran Cunningham - The Star
foot.ie
Newstalk - Off The Ball show
ALAN SUGAR - I'll add him but I'm not sure he has come out and said anything specifically about the Irish job.
Chatsoccer.eu
You missed Eamon Carr in the Herald again mate. Arguing very eloquently against him regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlooooomp
Pro Venables James Lawton - Irish independent/IndependentQuote:
Originally Posted by Schlooooomp
His articles are generally very good i thought - well until he offered his opinions on venables!!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...e-1219835.html
Pro venables:
John Giles - RTE - conditional support, based on venables concentrating on the Irish job and not media profile
Paul Hyland - The Evening Herald
Paul Lennon - The Star
Roy Curtis - The Sunday World
Kenny Cunningham - The Evening herald
Dion Fanning - Irish Independent
Liam Mackey - Irish Examiner
James lawton - Irish Independent
Mark Lawrenson
Most players or ex-players have positive things to say about venables, not gonna name names on this one.
Anti venables:
Eamon Dunphy - RTE/The Star
Tom Humphries - The Irish Times
Daniel McDonnell - Irish Independent
Kieran Cunningham - The Star
Eamon Carr - The Evening Herald
foot.ie
Newstalk - Off The Ball show
ALAN SUGAR - I'll add him but I'm not sure he has come out and said anything specifically about the Irish job.
Chatsoccer.eu
He can't..... He's too busy taking care of the drainage in the lower field!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
Thats a great point, clearly im stuck in the 19th Century. Of course we can get a manager that would luv top manage Ireland as much as Brazil. What was i thinking :rolleyes:.Quote:
Ah sure we are only a poor small country ( doffing cap in subservience).:rolleyes: Juanace, get a grip and get out of the 19th Century for fcuk sake
We ARE a small country in the football sense.. its called REALISM. We arent gonna get a Mourinho. And you arent gonna get me to protest against a decent candiate for the job.
Welcome back Juanace, as you can see we have put up a list of those "media types" that are pro and anti venables. Once you take out the forums and Alan Sugar, it is clear that based on the above list the media is by and large pro venables. Do you have any names for the anti venables list to back up your claim from yesterday?
So? Neither is anybody else. He's too big for international football and is using the English F.A. to expediate the process of getting 1 of the BIG club jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juanace
In fairness Schlooooomp you've picked out the "media types" i'd have mentioned. RTE footy panel (not so convinced Gilesy was pro venables, Newtalk 106, Tom Humphries and this forum! Do't generally read the others so i'll accept maybe there is more pro than con, i just aint been reading it.
Still think he's a decent canditate mind;):D
I disagree totally, as long as Ireland can pay as much as other average nations we should be able to attract a decent calibre of manager (Not the mourinhos of this world obviously). And, we can probably pay more than most average nations to boot...Gus hiddink at Australia for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juanace
Man... Seriously... Where did you read any of the regulars here saying we're gonna get Mourinho???Quote:
Originally Posted by Juanace
I wouldn't soil the good name of cowboys by calling Terry Venables one!!
The point i'm trying to make (and i think anyone else could see it) is that in my humble opinion we arent in the running for an absolutely top level manager. The names in the media are the guys we can get and I think Venables aint a bad one.Quote:
So? Neither is anybody else. He's too big for international football and is using the English F.A. to expediate the process of getting 1 of the BIG club jobs.
Fair point, though i'd reckon he was on more than you'd think.Quote:
I disagree totally, as long as Ireland can pay as much as other average nations we should be able to attract a decent calibre of manager (Not the mourinhos of this world obviously). And, we can probably pay more than most average nations to boot...Gus hiddink at Australia for example.
I heard a great stat on newstalk a few weeks back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juanace
Theres only two managers in Serie A thats on a million a year. The money doesnt seem to be in Serie A anymore, but they still have top quality managers. I think our idea of the standard wage is being distorted somewhat what with our proximity to the cash cow that is the EPL.
Realistically speaking we should be able to get a very capable european manager with the money we have to offer. Id take Hodgson/Coppell in the blink of an eye!
Few people realistically expect a Mourinho; however if Finland, Poland and their like can attract, and pay for, top quality European managers, why must Ireland be content with cast-offs & failures from the English game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Juanace
thats the problem, good old ireland always setting our sights low, as if we should be grovelling for someone like hodgson...
Thats a closed forum, can't be verified, not that I don't trust you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
It's not a closed forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Anyone can register and participate, it helps keep certain snoopers and sniffers from a certain organisation out.
It has only been that way for a few weeks.
Okay, I registered one time but it was never accepted or verified, I have a Groucho Marx complex :)
Your account was deleted as it was inactive as highlighted (*Please note dormant accounts and those with no posts will be periodically deleted) in the activation email you received.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Spot on. We may as well hang a sign over the country sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
"CAN'T AFFORD JOSE. WILLING HAS-BEENS PLS Q HERE - SMALL WAGES BUT CRAIC LEVEL : 90"
Defeatist attitudes permeate throughout the footballing fraternity here, from the very top down, so much so , that now we believe that nations of a similar quality are more entitled to a world class manager than we are.
The first step to convincing a Jose or a Scolari or a Capello that we are contenders is to stop faffing around massaging the egos of Has-beens like Kendall and shameless joyriders like Venables and approach the very best saying "We believe you are the man to lead our squad of players to the world cup. Here's our proposal, what exactly can we do to make you take this job?
We may well be blown out of the water come salary negotiation time, but way things are going, it seems like the FAI are perfectly happy never to find that out, & I have no idea why.
Dammit it'd better than what we're currently saying : "We have no manager. Who's unemployed and desperate? Perhaps we should wait until Finland, England , Scotland, South Korea etc etc etc ad infinitum have hired a manager, so we can have our choice of the 20th best unemployed Managers in the world, eh?"
The "Ah sure, we're only Ireland, why would anyone good come here?" attitude annoys the hole off me. The job is there, the potential for qualifying is there, and I firmly believe that, for the right man, the money is there.
The only drawback is that the FAI are there too, and since their bollockology seems to be causing all the problems we're having regarding "world class selection teams", their unwillingness to do a balls-out, teeth bared old fashioned headhunt, the usual level of executive interference, and generally, being gobshytes, they are the main obsticle to appointing a world class manager.