1000/1. I'm convinced Giles will go with Venables. Then the FAI won't ratify. And so it will be someone like Jewell or Daglish.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
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1000/1. I'm convinced Giles will go with Venables. Then the FAI won't ratify. And so it will be someone like Jewell or Daglish.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Apart from being brutal at Wednesday, his overall managerial record on games won/lost etc isn't fantastic. Good at Wigan, average at Bradford and poor at Wednesday.
.................................................. ......G... W. L ..D Win %
Bradford City....................................117.. 46 45 26 39.31
Sheffield Wednesday...........................38. .12 21.. 5 31.57
Wigan Athletic..................................291.127 90. 74 43.64
We don't rate being poor at Wednesday as being such a drawback :)
Here is what I have been told. The 3 people involved are Giles, Brady and Whelan. Giles to interview and then discuss with Brady and Whelan his opinions of those he has interviewed. Brady and Whelan are also going to suggest candidates to be interviewed by Giles. Where this leads us to I don't know.
Tragic that Dunphy isnīt being consulted :)
Interesting panel discussions on RTE though, especially if Giles & Brady have helped select the new guy and things go pear shaped.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
To Giles and Brady being totally compromised as pundits? Or is that the FAI intention...Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
I'm worried that these are 2 of the same group of people that suggested the like of George Graham & Ron Atkinson as being the solution to Ireland's woes ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
With Dunphy losing the head ranting about the morons who were part of the selection process.Quote:
Originally Posted by co. down green
But the team are not going to play that bad again, are they??
The lads on newstalk reckon they'd prefer Jewell over Houler or Venebles as he's young enough to be hungry to succeed in the job as a opposed to Houllier or Venables who may see it as a bit of a wind down job.
A good point, but i think it's fair to say that Charlton took the job to wind down his career and that done no harm...
I don't know what to think or who to root for at this point tbh... (I defo don't want venable though.. He'd show the same level of indifference he did at Leeds, Palace, Portsmouth etc
Far from itQuote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Jack had more than a few chips on his shoulder, one was being ignored by the FA. Starting out in our job he was very determined to prove himself as an international manager.
Wasn't it his suggestion in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Isn't this the way the FAI always does things? Put a name out there, see what the reaction is...
He's better than Stan and he isn't O'Leary so I'd be content enough.
why is everyone so anti O Leary? Is martin O Neill really doing that much better a job at villa? (he could well be I havent looked at a premiership table in a while.) I wouldnt mind venables but to be honest we are so low now anyone will do...:(
From what little I know of MO'N at Villa he seems to be building a team of young players full of pace, some having come through the ranks, some he has bought. I think the time to judge O'Neill is one or two years from now but it appears he has a plan and is being given time to implement it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
I personally dislike O'Leary and Venables which will affect my opinion, but in the latter's case I think you can scrutinise his last 10-12 years and find little positive in there. Even his Euro 1996 performance doesn't stand up to close scrutiny in my opinion.
It was indeed Dunphy who first suggested Jewell. Giles and Brady agreed with Dunphy when he brought it up again on RTE. Agreed in the sense that Jewell was the "type" of manager that could do a good job. This could all spiral out of control fairly quickly. With people having "chats" with Johnny and then taking over at club sides instead. Jewell taking over at Preston for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I donīt trust the idea of a manager who was pushed by Dunphy actually getting the job.
Bad omen.
If it happened then it could mean in theory all the RTE pundits being "compromised".
When Giles replied that he would help the FAI if asked, he was being sincere without being ego inflated about it.
I'd be very happy with Jewell. He's done decent jobs at Bradford and Wigan.
That's an interesting stat that I hadn't heard. Just checked it up. They had more away wins in the premiership in 05/06 than Arsenal and every other team outside the top 3. Last season, even though they finished just above the relegation zone they still had more away wins than everyone in the bottom half, bar Man City.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
I think that says a lot. They're home form isn't great but then again, that was in a little town called Wigan.
I don't really buy into this "compromised" notion.
It's not as if Dunphy hasn't done a u-turn in the past. Owls fan would say he's permanently compromised.
They can say at the start that they're happy with the appointment and then call it as they see it as things progress.
In fairness, any appointment will be speculative to a degree, giving the pundits a "disclaimer" in due course.
I have no idea whether Jewell has the tactical nous needed for international football. In fact I can't really comment on how well Wigan played and whether they were dependent or not on Heskey (the type of player we don't have). However, we don't need another manger who'll indulge the "stars" and in this context I reckon Jewell would make sure the attitude and commitment improves.
Houliier has the CV and the knowledge, but does he have the personality that'll get performances from our players?
Jol would fit somewhere between the two types I think.
When Jewell was being discussed on NewsTalk, they felt that it was after Wigan bought Heskey, and became over-reliant on him scoring from long balls, that the team started to become less effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Interesting. He certainly seems to be capable of getting a team to deliver more than the sum of its parts. My instinctive reaction is that he'd be a decent candidate, not the best, but by no means the worst. He could do with us what Sanchez did with the North.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I like the comment above "better than Stan and not O'Leary so fine by me".
One thing that did occur to me when Jewell emerged as a serious candidate, was that he wouldn't be the most liked candidate by the fans, but he could be the least hated, if that makes any sense.
Did you lump on the money when he was the big price as advised Tets? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Nope, but (while I do pay attention to the markets), I'm not much of a gambler.Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/7097842.stm
Former Wigan boss Paul Jewell has acknowledged his interest in the vacant Republic of Ireland job.
Jewell has confirmed that he had informal talks with former Republic boss John Giles who is believed to be sounding out candidates for the role.
Giles said that he had held discussions with Jewell but he would not confirm that he is working on behalf of the Football Association of Ireland.
"I'm certainly not ruling it out. I am thinking about it," said Jewell.
Giles added that he had "to treat this situation with confidentiality".
Jewell insisted that his meeting with Giles on Thursday had not been "a formal interview".
Sorry but that is practically every manager bar O Leary:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
By all means the FAI should sound out who is interested and who isnt but i dont expect/want a decision until a few weeks after the WC draw as we will know how difficult the task will be and as has been mentoned before it will be a few weeks after the Euro places will have been decided and we should know who staying who going managerial wise.
My concern with Jewell is if a high profile Prem job becomes available he will jump ship
massively valid point, he has no liverpool , man u , leeds etc, bias , no one in the irish fan base really hates wigan or bradford , eh do they ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Thatīs about right,Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Giles stance is that the selection is a guess no matter who you get but just eliminate the lingering doubts that the selected manager has not the required experience and let him get on with the job.
50% win/loss ratio at Bradford. That's a decent job :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by colster
Terry Venables didn't succeed with a far more talented English team. Why would anyone think he'd do a better job with our average outfit?
Don't worry about this "compromised" ethical stuff being bandied about by the RTE pundits. The poison dwarf originally supported Jack's appointment. U-turns are all part of the RTE panel's game. As Ireland finish bottom of the group under Jewell, Giles "I was wrong Bill. At the time I thought it was the best appointment and you can only go on what you see at the time. I agree now it hasn't worked out". Thereafter he gets crucified and everyone raves about the "honesty" of the RTE panel.
I just quickly went through Bradford's manager history on soccerbase and Jewell has the best win percentage at the club since Terry Dolan (87-89). ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
He got them promoted and kept them up didn't he? Thats a decent job.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
He did the same with Wigan.
Both unfashionable clubs.
If that happens it will probably be on the back of doing a good job with Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newryrep
and when things aren't going great at Croker you're not exactly going to be uplifted by the fans starting a mexican wave after 20 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
Jewell is a second rate club manager that has as much experience as Staunton in international football. As Dunphy says: "You're watching the start of the next calamity"
Johnny Giles' interview from last night on NewsTalk: http://83.138.170.50/podcasts/audio/1511giles.mp3
The interviewer (Eoin McDevitt) launches straight questioning about Giles the rumours
Newstalk are flaggin tonight's Off The Ball programme all day and Giles will be giving an extended interview. After i heard him last night i checked paddypower and Jewell was available at 5/2 so stuck a few bob down.
He lost as many games with Bradford as he won. He lost a lot more than he won with Wednesday. He won more than he lost with Wigan. Not the stuff of greatness. Likes to blame referees a lot ala Steve Bruce. Not sure he's the answer. Didn't get the higher paid Wednesday players to perform. Ireland are not a Wigan or a Bradford. Don't think it would be a disasterous appointment but don't believe he's the answer to our problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by colster
I would advise everybody to get onto the RTE site and listen to the Dunphy interview fom the one o'clock news. Amazing stuff. The gist of the interview is that the 3 or 4 candidates are Jewell, Graham, Copell and Venables. Nobody else. Jewell appears to be the frontrunner by some way and I would now be very surprised if he does not now get the job. I get the feeling that Dunphy is having a big say by infleuncing Giles. Dunphy put forward Jewell and Graham as the types of people we should be talking too.