Free View Box/ Magic Box

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

On that point, not to sure what you mean...Macro or Micro level is irrelevant,

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Sorry for not expressing myself properly then. I was boiling my point down to a moral dilemma situation where option A was to indulge in consuming drugs, while option B was to steal, say, a television. In my mind A is fine, and for you, it should be the lesser of two evils unless you have, as it would appear, something in you that makes you judge and disparage people who like to enjoy themselves more than is ordinarily possible. Which option would you pick?

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Sorry for not expressing myself properly then. I was boiling my point down to a moral dilemma situation where option A was to indulge in consuming drugs, while option B was to steal, say, a television. In my mind A is fine, and for you, it should be the lesser of two evils unless you have, as it would appear, something in you that makes you judge and disparage people who like to enjoy themselves more than is ordinarily possible. Which option would you pick?

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I never said either was fine, I just didnt comment on the other ;)
But I did say that you can't close your eyes to the fact of how those drugs reached your hands, "oh wait a minute i wonder how these got here, actually they just did straight from the ground" kind of mentality. You made out that taking drugs was fine compared to ( or is it with ) what baileban was doing which is stealing, which according to you is far worse, I made the point that for you to get your drugs, that probably occured somewhere along the line. Which option would you pick?

I get your point Paul about drug taking being no substitute for natural highs (unless it's viagra of course), I believe the early 90s TV Series, Saved by the Bell, put it best in the title of their classic episode Drugs Are For Mugs, but I tend to agree to disagree on this one.

You see the natural high that you speak of isn't frequently found through conventional methods in this hi-tech age. Why a person could go through Dublin City for a full day without a stranger offering them a welcome, or a query as to how their day has been, this to me represents one aspect of a natural high, the common bond between human beings. I know there are many other natural highs out there but I want to focus on this for two reasons, those being,

I feel I am a natural people person, my good friend Kingdom Hoop could verify this I believe, and I take great joy in meeting new people and exchanging life's thoughts, memories and hopes, but I find this to be more and more on the decline. Why? Well I contribute this to a number of reasons, sure the I-Pod era has made it more and more acceptable to cocoon one self on a day to day basis, and this has taken from random interactions between strangers. But another reason is a lack of trust, something which I feel Baileban has broken here by robbing off of respectable companies like BSKYB. Does he not realise that BSKYB employ quite a number of people? That his ripping them off may cause an unexpected downward turn in their yearly profits and may lead to job cuts to off set those losses? Does he not realise that the people who work, run and own BSKYB all have families as well? That his kids enjoying two extra cartoon channels may be taking dinner away from someone else's children? I think not, and his blatent attempt to pass off this thievary as some jokey Robin Hood reference, albeit an unfunny one? Is this because he likes to wear green tights and hang out in trees? Or is some further deep seated mental trauma that makes him live his life through his on-screen television heroes?

I can't answer these questions, I only hope Baileban can

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Originally Posted by Dodge

within 2 years there won't be an analog NTL signal and it will be digital only. Then everyone with these boxes will either have to subsrice to NTL's digital packages, or go to Sky.

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I just have a question about this and I'm pretty clueless. A lot of people in my area don't pay any fee for their analogue signal, including me. I have an old cable running from my attic and receive the typical 17 channels. Have you any idea if this would be an NTL signal?

btw, the people selling those "dodgy boxes" must be making a fortune. You can buy 10 for about €900 on Ebay.

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Originally Posted by baileban

By law a license is required for each TV that you own. NO BULLSH!T - how many of you have licenses for each of your TV'S??

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Absolutely untrue. Under the various Wireless Telegraphy and Broadcasting acts starting from 1926 it is the premises that require the licence, not the TV. The word premises is defined also.

One premises, one Licence. It's why hotels, pubs, guesthouses etc only require one licence.

Additionally, using these devices is not only theft from the signal provider but also a separate offence under the Broadcasting Act

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I feel I am a natural people person, my good friend Kingdom Hoop could verify this I believe, and I take great joy in meeting new people and exchanging life's thoughts, memories and hopes, but I find this to be more and more on the decline. Why? Well I contribute this to a number of reasons, sure the I-Pod era has made it more and more acceptable to cocoon one self on a day to day basis, and this has taken from random interactions between strangers. But another reason is a lack of trust, something which I feel Baileban has broken here by robbing off of respectable companies like BSKYB. Does he not realise that BSKYB employ quite a number of people? That his ripping them off may cause an unexpected downward turn in their yearly profits and may lead to job cuts to off set those losses? Does he not realise that the people who work, run and own BSKYB all have families as well? That his kids enjoying two extra cartoon channels may be taking dinner away from someone else's children? I think not, and his blatent attempt to pass off this thievary as some jokey Robin Hood reference, albeit an unfunny one? Is this because he likes to wear green tights and hang out in trees? Or is some further deep seated mental trauma that makes him live his life through his on-screen television heroes?

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And all those question I should straight back at ye.....

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I just have a question about this and I'm pretty clueless. A lot of people in my area don't pay any fee for their analogue signal, including me. I have an old cable running from my attic and receive the typical 17 channels. Have you any idea if this would be an NTL signal?

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Yeah thats a UPC, formerly NTL, formerly cablelink signal. Once installed, its too much trouble to uninstall. I had it in an apartment for about a year (before moving out)

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Originally Posted by baileban

Premises as opposed to residences!

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Your point?

A Television Licence is a licence granted by the Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources under section 5 of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1926 (No. 45 of 1926) to a person to keep and have possession of apparatus for Wireless Telegraphy (within the meaning of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1972) in a specified place in the State or in a specified vehicle, ship or aircraft.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/ca...ia/tv_licences gives a basic run down on the requirements.


As for the magic boxes here is the relevant legislation, the 1990 Act
Prohibition on interception of services.Prohibition on interception of services.

9.—(1) No person, other than a duly authorised officer of the Minister, shall, in relation to a service provided by a licensee or a service provider—

( a ) intercept the service,

( b ) suffer or permit or do any other thing that enables such interception by any person,

( c ) possess, manufacture, assemble, import, supply, or offer to supply, any equipment which is designed or adapted to be used for the purpose of enabling such interception by any person, or

( d ) publish information with the intention of assisting or enabling any person to intercept such a service.

(2) No person shall—

( a ) knowingly instal or attempt to instal or maintain any equipment which is capable of being used or designed or adapted to be used for the purpose of enabling such interception by any person, or

( b ) wilfully damage or attempt to damage a system or part of a system operated by a licensee or service provider.

(3) A person who contravenes any provision of subsection (1) or (2) shall be guilty of an offence.
(4) In this section "intercept" in relation to a service means receive, view, listen to, record by any means or acquire the substance or purport of the service or part thereof supplied by a licensee or service provider without the agreement of the licensee or service provider.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

did anyone else have great fun reading that act?! :D

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I certainly didn't in my 18 months interpreting it as the EO, acting HEO, of TV Licence Services in An Post, problably the most boring work I've ever had to perform

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Originally Posted by soccerc

Your point?

A Television Licence is a licence granted by the Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources under section 5 of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1926 (No. 45 of 1926) to a person to keep and have possession of apparatus for Wireless Telegraphy (within the meaning of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1972) in a specified place in the State or in a specified vehicle, ship or aircraft.

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*******s changed the definition recently to include any device capable of displaying a tv picture, monitors/laptops were classed as tvs.


kdjac

That I am, I'm happy to admit it, never said I wasn't. I'm mostly against people like you who are no better than an average thief swanning around pretending you are anything but a criminal giving lectures on how people should lead their lives.

As for me endorsing other people's misery, yes I do, so what? Have you ever bought produce off of companies like Coca Cola, Shell, Esso, McDonalds, KFC, Man Utd, Liverpool, Celtic, Nestle, Top Shop, Marks and Spencers, and the list goes on? Have you ever voted for a government that won that election and came to power? If the answer is yes then you too have contributed to the misery of someone else's life Baileban.

Either way your still a thief and seem to have a problem admitting that you are

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Hook line, and oh yes that's a sinker!

I'm equally tired so I'll leave it til tomorrow, but I'll leave you with this thought baileban,

The main difference between us two in our outlaw lives is that outside of a couple of the Galway lads who track my every move I have no-one that I need to set an example for, but you do, and this isn't a wind up now, but do you think robbing channels is a proper example to set to your kids? Honest question