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07/07/2007, 1:31 PM
Dodge

talk about mountain out of molehill

Get a ****ing grip lads. You were asked to take downa flag, so ****ing what!?

Oh and BTW what is the point in having a tricolour at a game between two Irish teams that play in red & white anyway?

Ridiculous thread
07/07/2007, 1:35 PM
Shiba

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

its not the other clubs that derry are afraid of inciting. its their own potential unionist fans. why is this so difficult for people to grasp?

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Afraid that I can't agree with you! These people know what team they follow and what league they play in so know what sort of flags and banners that will accompany these fans while supporting their teams.They're are not complete idiot's!
07/07/2007, 1:37 PM
Shiba

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Originally Posted by Dodge

talk about mountain out of molehill

Get a ****ing grip lads. You were asked to take downa flag, so ****ing what!?

Oh and BTW what is the point in having a tricolour at a game between two Irish teams that play in red & white anyway?

Ridiculous thread

Have ye none with St Pats on it!

Its having pride in your nation!
07/07/2007, 1:41 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by Shiba

Afraid that I can't agree with you! These people know what team they follow and what league they play in so know what sort of flags and banners that will accompany these fans while supporting their teams.They're are not complete idiot's!

the league they play in is irrelevant. Derry City FC represent the entirity of Derry City. Allowing national flags from either side of the bigotry only serves to antagonise, so why bother? Its not that big a deal, as Dodge pointed out, whats the point in bringing a tricolour there anyway? (im going to go ahead and use your answer...)

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Originally Posted by Shiba

Its having pride in your nation!

nation has nothing to do with it. whether or not its possible to be "proud" of being born somewhere, its entirely irrelevant at club v club level. there may be something to be said for it in european games but even then you're stretching it.
07/07/2007, 1:43 PM
lofty9

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Originally Posted by Shiba

Have ye none with St Pats on it!

Its having pride in your nation!

I didn't see Ireland play at the Brandywell last night.
07/07/2007, 1:47 PM
Shiba

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Originally Posted by lofty9

I didn't see Ireland play at the Brandywell last night.

Lucky you didnt what would happen with all the Tricolors then!
Then again ye not know what pride in a nation is!

Den again I suppose ye do when it Suits!:rolleyes:
07/07/2007, 1:52 PM
superfrank

I think most Irish people have pride in their nation. Why does this have to be reasserted by bringing a national flag to a football match between two Irish teams?? Football and politics clearly don't mix well. That's why Derry City have this rule.

Yes I know the Bray fans have tricolours with BWAFC on it but if we weren't allowed to wave it about I wouldn't be as indignated as the Sligo fans here. I don't see the point in showing off your nationalism to people in your own country. International games or European games, fine. But ffs lads it's a league game. Both teams are Irish. It's not needed.

Aside from that, how can yez not understand the gravity of the situation up North? We've all read and heard enough about it. If this had happened in any other ground in the country, you might have a reason to spew this nationalism tripe but Derry is a totally different kettle of fish and who knows if you'd been displaying the tricolour on the side of the bus and your man took a wrong turn you coulda gotten into a lot of trouble.

It's nothing personal lads. It's nothing against your national pride. It's just sensible and sensitive.
07/07/2007, 1:53 PM
lofty9

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

If they can't be associated with our national flag will let them play in another league where they can be assoicated with the flag of the country ;) Although i think they should tell the people of the Brandywell and bogside first that they can't be associated with the tri-colour and they will show you what they think of that.

Can you not grasp the fact that the club is called Derry City, not Brandywell Harps or Bogside Celtic?

Being based in the Brandywell and Bogide area doesn't make all it's fans representative of the people in the areas political beliefs.

There are actually very few people living in the Brandywell area that go into the stadium to watch the games.
07/07/2007, 1:54 PM
Aaron

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Originally Posted by Shiba

I understand that this was not done to antagonise the Sligo fan.Neither was the putting up of the flag to antagonise your cross commnuity fans base.Surly your protestant fan base are not fickle enough to be insulted by the presence of the Tricolor by fans from the opposing team in which they play which happens to be of a different culture.There was not one secterian comment from either fan base.Why did it take so long for the decision to take it down was made midway through 2nd half.Nobody was bothered bout it up to that!

I dont know if our Protestant community are fickle enough because I'm not a protestant, thats something you have to ask them, but thats why our club implemented this rule, to respect those that may be fickle enough.

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

The only thing that is rediculous is this rule it should be changed for league of ireland games. I could understand it for other games that involve clubs that may see Flags as incitment. Derry will happy to accept the money they make from playing under the Irish flag in the champions in a few weeks time but wont allow the national flag to be displayed in their ground is nothing short of disrespctful and ludicrous.

What would happen if these people come down to the Showgrounds and see the tri-colour ? Will they make an objection if they are that bigoted that they can't stand the sight of the tri-colour or that it may upset them then maybe the league of Ireland is not for them.

Look that would be their problem, but our club has taken steps to ensure everyone feels welcome and comfotbale at the Brandywell, and have banned national flags to do so.
07/07/2007, 1:54 PM
Shiba

One last post,must get up and do something.In a few weeks time Derry will be playing in europe representing Ireland and comments like "Flying the Flag" for Ireland etc will be in the media.Is this going antagonise their protestant fan base they are so worried about? Wont be one bit bothered I'd say.
07/07/2007, 1:58 PM
lofty9

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Originally Posted by Shiba

Lucky you didnt what would happen with all the Tricolors then!
Then again ye not know what pride in a nation is!

Den again I suppose ye do when it Suits!:rolleyes:

I went to an Ireland game once, full of west Brit Premiership supporting ********s. Couldn't stand it. Put me off for life.

I have pride in my City and my home team. Pride in a nation? - it's guff like that caused 30years of hurt up here.
07/07/2007, 2:00 PM
Aaron

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Originally Posted by Shiba

One last post,must get up and do something.In a few weeks time Derry will be playing in europe representing Ireland and comments like "Flying the Flag" for Ireland etc will be in the media.Is this going antagonise their protestant fan base they are so worried about? Wont be one bit bothered I'd say.

Matbe not, but its compulsory for the club to do so, not by choice. I'd say if it wasnt compulsory it wouldnt be flown.
07/07/2007, 2:04 PM
Shiba

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Originally Posted by superfrank

I think most Irish people have pride in their nation. Why does this have to be reasserted by bringing a national flag to a football match between two Irish teams?? Football and politics clearly don't mix well. That's why Derry City have this rule.

Yes I know the Bray fans have tricolours with BWAFC on it but if we weren't allowed to wave it about I wouldn't be as indignated as the Sligo fans here. I don't see the point in showing off your nationalism to people in your own country. International games or European games, fine. But ffs lads it's a league game. Both teams are Irish. It's not needed.

Aside from that, how can yez not understand the gravity of the situation up North? We've all read and heard enough about it. If this had happened in any other ground in the country, you might have a reason to spew this nationalism tripe but Derry is a totally different kettle of fish and who knows if you'd been displaying the tricolour on the side of the bus and your man took a wrong turn you coulda gotten into a lot of trouble.

It's nothing personal lads. It's nothing against your national pride. It's just sensible and sensitive.

Unless you were there I think it would have the same effect on you.It was just very insulting and the fact that is was so far into the game made it worse.The policy if in effect should have been implemented from the start of the game.As for bus taken wrong turn thats call sense & sensetivity.Inside the ground people know what teams are playing and more than likly the type of banners flags are going to be expected.Outside you show sensetivity!
07/07/2007, 2:09 PM
Shiba

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Originally Posted by lofty9

I went to an Ireland game once, full of west Brit Premiership supporting ********s. Couldn't stand it. Put me off for life.

I have pride in my City and my home team. Pride in a nation? - it's guff like that caused 30years of hurt up here.

Bulls**t! Theirs nothing wrong with having pride in your nation its how presieve(Spelln?) it.A football match aint going to stop that considering what you see when drive round.
07/07/2007, 2:14 PM
Aaron

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Taking from other Derry fans on their forum the last guy got riduculed from a height as he did have an irish passport but did not have Irish Drivers license:rolleyes::D

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seen the stewards tellin a young fella to take down a tri colour that was on the fence at the sligo end last night.
just my opinion but i think its a stupid rule.
Bar the setanta cup who exactly is it offending?
ct
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[Bar the setanta cup who exactly is it offending?

the odd person from our town's minority community who might be flying over the ground in a helicopter

KeithK
Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:31 pm

i agre 100% we should be allowed to fly our flag regardless of what the rule book says , at the end of the day therre were no secterian slogans on it an nothing meant by it,
we should be proud to fly our flag as i for one am an irishman not as others have stated part of the UK on my passport an any other form were its states place of birth i answer IRELAND so back to the flag issue we should be allowed to fly our coulors

All well and good defending your club to the hilt but your club is wrong in this instance. Good luck and enjoy the 12th

Why dont you post what everyone said, not just these three? Its your opinion our club is wrong, if you dont like the rules you can **** off back to Sligo!!;)
07/07/2007, 2:17 PM
red bellied

There was twenty minutes last night. The away side are getting bet three one and the Rovers support are not in the best of form. The stewards are directed to take down the flag, who are not very happy for obvious reasons. Not because of the invisible Unionist support but because of the hassle they will receive from the visiting section. Actually they handled the situation very well.

I knew nothing of this rule. Derry from now on should inform the visiting team on the ban of national flags through their local medias, papers, radio etc.
07/07/2007, 2:27 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Shiba

Have ye none with St Pats on it!

Its having pride in your nation!

We'll have them out for the UEFA Cup games in Denmark. In a game between two Irish sides, who are you showing your "pride" to?
07/07/2007, 2:28 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Sure if you are such a hard man PM and you can tell me how your just going to make me. Derry fans shown up by the real Derry fans very regrettable !

What a ****ing child :rolleyes:

Talk about making something out of nothing.

No one that doesnt live there can understand what its like in Derry or in the North. Boo hoo you couldnt wave your pflag for one game.

Derry have their reasons for teh rule, and im sure their reasons are more valid than your 'I want to show im proud of my country at a LOI game
07/07/2007, 2:36 PM
Aaron

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Sure if you are such a hard man PM and you can tell me how your just going to make me. Derry fans shown up by the real Derry fans very regrettable !

If you dont want to accept our club rules, you knmow where to go, that nicer for ya!!:rolleyes:
07/07/2007, 2:38 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Not in my view and a lot of their fans ! ;)

And yet your view doesnt matter a tap......

If there were enough Derry fans that really cared Im sure they could talk to the club about it....I suspect there arent though. There may be those who dont understand or agree with the rule but accept it without whinging....unlike ye who have to put up with it for max 2 games a season
07/07/2007, 2:41 PM
Aaron

Rogue Trader's post on Derry City Chat!!

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Should have taken scottish flag down as well so !?

If your going to do something, try and do it right. It is an awful pity that you look upon our national flag as a sectarian flag, Derry must be one ****ed up dump to have got that bad. So i suppose we can expect to see some members of the PSNI in the Brandeywell the next time we go down ?

It was all right in the 70's,80's and 90's to use the tri-colour when you were looking for support from us Irish in the south and abroad for your stuggle to become part of us. The only thing i am glad to see now is that you understand and have accepted that you are British the same natinality as your great leader Maggie Thatcher and us Irish can now start to reclaim our flag.

With that attitude no wonder we left you behind economically you crowd misarable of PC hypocrytes, i am sure the Irish league would love to have you back.

C'mon the red hand !

So much for wanting to show off your love for your nationality!:rolleyes:
07/07/2007, 2:47 PM
TheBoss

As far as I know, it is a flag for the whole Island, not just for the Republic.
07/07/2007, 2:48 PM
micls

I just read the Thread on there.
A lot of Derry fans you said roguetrader? Cos i only found the 3 you posted that agreed with you. Every other person on there disagreed.....but sure dont let the facts get in the way of your rant.

http://www.derrycitychat.com/phpBB2/...r=asc&start=30
Your posts on that thread were an embarrasment to your club
07/07/2007, 2:48 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by TheBoss

As far as I know, it is a flag for the whole Island, not just for the Republic.

According to who? You cant make a flag and tell people who dont recognise it that it represents them too
07/07/2007, 2:49 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Good one but no need for the name calling. Even though i don't agree and i think it is PC gone mad i think DCFC should announce to the national press and other league clubs that the tri-colour is banned from the Brandywell stadium. That would help largely avoid this from happening again and then i would not have had to put up with your foul mouthed attacks. Still waiting by the way.

foul mouthed attacks? some cheek of you given the tripe you posted on the derry forum. grand and easy being "proud" of the irish flag in a backarse of nowhere town where the most controversy surrounds which culchie is more culchie than the other culchie
07/07/2007, 2:52 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by TheBoss

As far as I know, it is a flag for the whole Island, not just for the Republic.

Its a national flag. I'm not getting into what the Irish nation is (and nor should anyone here, as its not really the point)
07/07/2007, 2:52 PM
Aaron

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Good one but no need for the name calling. Even though i don't agree and i think it is PC gone mad i think DCFC should announce to the national press and other league clubs that the tri-colour is banned from the Brandywell stadium. That would help largely avoid this from happening again and then i would not have had to put up with your foul mouthed attacks. Still waiting by the way.

I apologise for telling you to **** off back to sligo. Not normally in my nature but find it frustrating that people cannot accet rules laid down by the club.
07/07/2007, 2:55 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by TheBoss

As far as I know, it is a flag for the whole Island, not just for the Republic.

No its not. The flag, if there is one, for the entire island is the St. Patrick Flag

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/i/ie-stpat.gif

Funnily enough, it looks like the northerners have a closer fit than we do down here!
07/07/2007, 3:01 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

No its not. The flag, if there is one, for the entire island is the St. Patrick Flag

That was made up by Britain, doesn't represent anyone.
07/07/2007, 3:02 PM
TheBoss

Well, I thought it was :D

Green = Catholics
White = Neutrals
Orange = Protestants
07/07/2007, 3:05 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by Schumi

That was made up by Britain, doesn't represent anyone.

if by "by britain" you mean by irish people when britain was in charge.

its the flag of the Fitzgearlds and the flag that Irish/Spanish troops fought under at Kinsale.
07/07/2007, 3:13 PM
Shiba

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Originally Posted by Dodge

We'll have them out for the UEFA Cup games in Denmark. In a game between two Irish sides, who are you showing your "pride" to?

Not a shamed to be Irish where am!So before we go to a game we should open my designer flag wardrobe and decide what flag to bring.cop on! his was a young lad with a flag with sligo rovers on it with no sectearan motive in mind.Free country so i thought so why not a tricolor at a game between two irish clubs.
07/07/2007, 3:15 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by Shiba

Free country so i thought

:rolleyes: you're on the premises of Derry City F.C. and in buying your ticket, agreed to their rules, regulations and discretion of what is suitable and what is not.
07/07/2007, 3:16 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Shiba

Not a shamed to be Irish where am!So before we go to a game we should open my designer flag wardrobe and decide what flag to bring.cop on! his was a young lad with a flag with sligo rovers on it with no sectearan motive in mind.Free country so i thought so why not a tricolor at a game between two irish clubs.

Cant really make head nor tails of that post but fact is there is a rule in place at the Brandywell. This rule is in place for a reason and has worked without problems for a long time. You were guests at their stadium and are required to abide by their rules, whether you agree withe them or not. End of story.
07/07/2007, 3:17 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Shiba

Free country so i thought so why not a tricolor at a game between two irish clubs.

If you can answer me why, I'll tell you why not? Are you saying that those without Irish flags aren't proud of their nationality or are ashamed of being Irish?
07/07/2007, 3:28 PM
Shiba

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Originally Posted by Dodge

If you can answer me why, I'll tell you why not? Are you saying that those without Irish flags aren't proud of their nationality or are ashamed of being Irish?

No I don't think does who don't have a flag are any less proud of thier nationality.I don't have one.Just like I don't think having one is wrong or makes you more proud.I do think it was a grave insult to ask someone to take down the national flag no matter where it was.Ya! Derry have a policy in place but it should have been put in place from the start not near the end of the game.so whats wrong with havn it at a game between to Irish teams makes more sense having it their than in old trafford.Oh btw good luck in europe as with Derry your representing the whole of the league!
07/07/2007, 3:30 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Shiba

Ya! Derry have a policy in place but it should have been put in place from the start not near the end of the game.

Jeez they harldy thought 'Sure well leave it a while then take it off him to really annoy him'. They implemented it when they noticed it. Stewards and directors have other things to do as well :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Shiba

so whats wrong with havn it at a game between to Irish teams makes more sense having it their than in old trafford.

Are you actually for real? Do you have any understanding of the situation in the North? No it doesnt make more sense to have it at a mtach in Northern Ireland between 2 Irish teams where it could alienate some of the population of the city than in a stadium in England wherre no one cares
07/07/2007, 4:34 PM
half_full

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Originally Posted by lofty9

Derry City as a club with co-operation with its fans have had this policy in action for years. Do any of you actually understand the nature of society in the North? Flags are a highly emotive political issue. If we display them we alienate a section of our support. If your going to have a dig at us at trying to change attitudes in the north then that's your problem. There would be more complaints at the ground by people if the ground was laden by tricolours. Derry City is a cross community club.

PS A half obscurely displayed Scottish flag is irrelevant to the political situation in the North.

its not as if your the only team in the city/general area:confused:
not trying to stir **** or anything, just curious...
07/07/2007, 4:40 PM
progress

i can see derry citys point in not permitting national flags lads especially with what has went on in the past.it is a small price to pay to be honest.with regards to the scottish flag, i dont think anyone would be offended by it as scotland has a very liberal view towards ireland.
07/07/2007, 4:42 PM
Aaron

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Originally Posted by half_full

its not as if your the only team in the city/general area:confused:
not trying to stir **** or anything, just curious...

What do you mean?

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