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I am also the most humorous person in the history of football forums as you've now seen. My wit is legendary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Yeah, you're laugh difference stat is very impressive, laughs at; 85, laughs with; 10.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
If that was meant to be a percentage then it doesn't add up.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
prone to dodgy mistakes??have to disgree here. Man city's player of the year for the last 2(or is it 3) years? also irelands most consistent peformer apart frm shay over the same period... he is one of the top 3 defenders in he premiership for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Disappointing level of debate. :(
I was hoping to read the classic line
And then challenged on what level he played at the person goes all shy, mumbles something about bad injury, coulda bin a contenda etc, etc...:)Quote:
I have played football at a very high level so I know what I'm talking about. Have you? No:confused: Then I'm right! Case closed.
The Irish players and team ethic has never, and should never be about who and where the players are playing - that is the mistake that England have made for so long. Houghton (Oxford), Aldridge (Oxford), Quinn (Sunderland), Kelly (Wolves) & Cascarino (Millwall) were not playing at the top level during their time with Ireland but were doing a job within a system. It does not matter where they are playing. John O'Shea is playing at top class level for a great team - but does that justify his regular inclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Potter has played above average in a good championship team, who will only get better next year. He was asked to do a job in "one of the most important positions" in Ireland team and did a good job. There is no argument for criticism.
Houghton and Aldridge were playing for Liverpool/Aston Villa/Real Sociedad for the majority of their Ireland caps. All good teams. Not sure which Kelly you refer to if it's David then he was never a regular for Ireland and many of his caps were when he was with West Ham. Never rated Cascerino and when he was a mainstay of the Ireland team we were rubbish anyway.
We shouldn't be relying on average Championship players for an Irish team if we want to qualify for anything. I just don't think Potter's good enough at present and 45 minutes of a good performance against an Ecuador C team wouldn't (and shouldn't) convince me otherwise (fair enough if it was Argentina or Brazil) though as I've stated earlier I would not write him off entirely for the future. He needs to improve. I would be fairly sure Alex Bruce is not up to the task though.
I'm not for selecting our players based on whether they play for a top team either and would well be on for f*cking JOS out of the team. The basic requirements I would use for defining whther a player is good enough for Ireland would be:
1. Performed well in previous Internationals
2. Playing and starting regularly at the top level of football.
3. Performing well for their clubs.
4. If not playing at the top level then has to be good enough for the top level (Potter at present isn't IMO).
I thought Potter was the best player in the first half and was much better in the 2nd half. He has the technical ability and intelligence to succeed. He's pretty much guaranteed his place in the squad for a while now too.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Being 100% serious here. Do you want to put a bet on Potter being Wolves player (either fans or players' player) of the season next season? :) Obviously you're getting the better bet. ;)
Look at the quality of the opposition though eirebhoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I'll take that eirebhoy no problem. I'll send you my account details.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
It'll be either Keogh, Knightly, Matt Murray or someone new they get.
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Originally Posted by Pablo
Were did i mention i had a problem with others criticising a football player......
I called you a Hypocrite because you said in your 2nd post ‘Personal abuse allowed is it? Which was aimed at GUFC.
But in your first post you call Alex Bruce a ‘Donkey’ To me that’s personal abuse, Hence me calling you a Hypocrite.
You can’t personally abuse a person and then when someone personally abuses you tell them its not allowed.
Not once in your first post did you mention anything about his footballing ability or lack off.
So how much, it's your choice? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Say a score. I could be dead this time next year. How can we pay? I like to remain anonymonous so I can continue to stay one step ahead of my numerous enemies on these boards. Like Batman.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
OK, done deal.
That's sterling btw not euro (I've said too much already).Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
[QUOTE=(I've said too much already).[/QUOTE]
Aint that the truth!!!:D
The Christy Brown of Irish fans or more likely end up with your foot in your mouth :rolleyes:?Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
As I said before, Alex Bruce isn't much of a player and you don't need to be Einstein to deduce that but he doesn't deserve the sort of abuse you're handing (an expert at handing by your own admission) out.
Get off your high horse Owlsfan, he doesn't read these forums so what he won't know doesn't hurt. He reads foot.co.uk instead. Anyway Glenn Whelan has been more impressive than Darren Potter in the Championship and he wasn't even in the squad so you should at least see my point in stating the obvious that he's not great.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
You're all getting worked up over nothing. It was a meaningless friendly. Alex Bruce is poor. He's playing for a mid table championship team (same one as garvan btw-does he really deserve a look?) and thats his level. If even one player of those new caps comes through to play regularly for us it will be a bonus.
remember mccarthys us cup teams-liam daish, alan moore, dominic foley etc etc. usless.
As regards bruce whoever said paul butler of the squad-spot on. he wont be back dont worry.
youngirish - You always go on about players needing to be playing at the highest level to be truely judged. Here's a quote form Arsene Wenger on 16 year old Carlos Vela:
That's a brave statement.Quote:
"He's top class," I like his intelligence and his pace. He scores goals but he can also create them."
"He's a special talent and I believe 100 per cent that he will make it at the highest level."
I said before if you have the intelligence, technical ability and a good attitude then you're already a player. Potter showed his good range of passing last night and he obviously has a very good football brain. You don't play the holding role at a decent level at 22 without a good football brain. I'd make a judgement on Potter on last nights match alone. He has a very good future imo. Paul McShane has a fantastic future and Stokes will be a very good striker imo. If they have the intelligence then it's so much easier to judge them. I certainly wouldn't write a player off after seeing him just a few times though. You couldn't have seen too much of Potter and Bruce.
Isn't this forum moderated? I thought there might be some insight here, instead of petty bitching. Silly me.
Do we then condemn Andy Keogh on the basis of one bad performance at international level?
One game is not enough to judge anyone, albeit I have seen Bruce play quite a bit in the Championship and Division One and don't rate him.
Teacher's pet.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Exactly. The man talks sense. Everyone hyping Potter up after 1 good game but no one is saying Long or Keogh are rubbish after 1 bad game. Some balance please.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Well as I said in my previous post, I can tell that Potter has a good future on last nights performance alone. I wouldn't write a player off on 1 game though. I might be completely wrong on Potter but we'll have to see. :) btw, that doesn't mean I think that anyone that comes in and puts in a motm performance on his debut has a good future...Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
It's like that guy Jamie McCarthy. If he has the intelligence, technical ability and attitude he's supposed to have then he's pretty much a guaranteed success imo. Which is why teams are willing to pay £1m for him.
Eirebhoy make me a moderator if Potter is not the player of the season at Wolves next year. Go wan I've been posting on here for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
How many times have you seen Potter this season? He is not an average player. Similarly comparing him to Whelan is an unfair comparison as they play different roles - Potter plays deep, whereas Whelan is more attacking. As someone who has seen Potter play 20+ games this season I can say with certainty that he is has acquitted himself well and a rather more informed opinion of your criteria below would suggest that he is worthy of being in contention for future squads:
1. Performed well in previous Internationals - Man of the Match
2. Playing and starting regularly at the top level of football - He will after we get promoted next season
3. Performing well for their clubs - Has consistently played this season after being switched from Right Wing displacing Karl Henry (Wolves captain) as our defensive midfielder
4. If not playing at the top level then has to be good enough for the top level (Potter at present isn't IMO) - He is in mine and time will tell.
We are all entitled to our opinions, which makes this site so interesting, however disdainfully disregarding other people's considered views is always going to set you up for a fall, especially given little justification for your arguments.
Batman is your enemy:confused::eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Next month you'll have been posting "for years". For now its singular.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Continue with the meaningless discussion about meaningless players on a meaningless tour.......
I have yet to fall Manc Irish Wolf. Also Whelan has played a similar role for Wednesday as Potter for Wolves. I wouldn't say that Whelan was an attacking midfield player by any stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manc Irish Wolf
Another man on his high horse. Let's only discuss full competitive International fixtures from now on. So that's one post each every 3 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
hallelujah!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
plonker of the year ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
That was posted ages ago. Slow reader are you? You are a special person don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Special.Quote:
Originally Posted by MojoPin
Jaysus, when someone suggested we have Alex Bruce*, I didn't think things could get any worse, then this happens! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Ah well, we're a "broad church", so let me welcome you over to OWC, in a hateful, bigoted sort of way. Then you'll learn what "messin with your mind" really means! ;)
* - Having seen Bruce play a couple of times, he wouldn't get into our team even after 25 withdrawals. (And I don't think we have 25 players in the first place!)
On that we can agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
If Potter can do the job that Stan & Robson wanted O'Shea to do, but to do it without the carelessness then great.
O'Shea is let down in midfield by not having a central midfielder's instincts. Being able to take a pass under pressure, protect the ball and always know your out ball is much easier said than done. Hopefully this is what Potter brings to the table.
If he's good in the tackle, mobile and gives and takes simple passes then that's just what we need. Players like Stephen Ireland and Glenn Whelan are more creative with the ball. I think Whelan is a more deep lying playmaker type, Ireland a more advance playmaker type but both are different to Potter.
If Manc Wolf has seen Potter all year then I'm perfectly happy to trust his judgment. I've really only seen clips. He conceded possession carelessly at Selhurst Park when Wolves lost to Palace, costing them a goal, but other than that I haven't seen him do much wrong.
I'll look at the replay tonight with interest.
Wolves pushed Potter deeper than he used to play, so it seems he's fairly flexible that way. I only saw the first half last night, but he seems to have a decent range of passing to his game. I doubt he's ready, but given how many of our central midfielders in the past have only really come good in their mid twenties, he's worth keeping on the back boiler.
Are you a Liverpool reserves season ticket holder as well as Birmingham, Ipswich and Leicester season ticket holder? Busy man :eek: You said in another thread you regularly go to watch McCarthy at Leicester and seeing as you know everything about all these young players I assume you never miss a match.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
You have been heavily backing Whelan, Potter, McGeady and Stokes on this forum for some time so I take this remark with a pinch of salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Whelan? I haven't seen him play in over a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
Potter? eh, I think last night was the first time I've actually "backed him".
Stokes? He'll be a great striker imo. There's no doubt in my mind about that. We'll have to see though, I'll probably be wrong.
McGeady? I tell people how I think he's doing at Celtic seeing as I watch them every week. It took me til last October to say that McGeady deserves his shot for Ireland. That form has since dropped. I'm certainly not biased towards McGeady and I wouldn't have him in the Ireland team with everyone fit. He'll be an excelent player in a few years if he stays with Strachan. His form for the first 3 months of this season was abosutely fantastic.
I don't understand the "pinch of salt" bit. Care to expand?
At least wait until the players prove me wrong before slagging me off. ;)
I actually didn't. :) I backed over 2.5 goals instead so I still lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
He backed Ecuador as well :)
I will. I take your opinion with a healthy, though unhealthy in health terms, ounce of salt. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy