Exactly,they want rid of them just as much as other fans do. It's unfortuate that those decent Bohs fans get a bad name because of these little sh*tsQuote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
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Exactly,they want rid of them just as much as other fans do. It's unfortuate that those decent Bohs fans get a bad name because of these little sh*tsQuote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
I've got a better idea. Why dont we just grab some rope and lynch them all from the nearest tree.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mental Man
Are you really suggesting that the best way to stop people from beating others up is to beat them up?
To put it simply - - YES !!!!!!!!
Unfortunately its the only language these little sh!ts understand - direct action , only way to deal with it. Had to give one of them a few slaps myself in Drogheda last season , he was'nt long running away , litle coward.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
you could not be more wrong if you tried,but if the FAI decide to punish Bohs as a club they will im sure point to attitudes like your to validate there decisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
These people are a cancer on the club and on the game.
The only way to deal with them is to make an active and concerted effort to gather evidence against them -- eyewitness accounts, pictures, CCTV or anything available -- and to make a formal complaint to the gardai whenever possible.
They are not superhuman. They are not wearing masks, and they do not have secret identities. People know their faces and their names. If we, the club, the fans, the league and the guards really want to tackle them, then we can.
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Originally Posted by BohDiddley
First thing that needs to be established though is this; Bohemian FC is no more responsible for what a few gougers do in a chipper in Fairview than Celtic were responsible for the Love Ulster riot. All we can do is a) clean up Dalymount and the environs so that its a safe place for everyone, home and away fans, and b) try and ensure that sections of our support don't embarrass the rest of us at away games
In pursuit of a) I would hope the club would be prepared to do what it takes in terms of security to get rid of them. Whatever we pay Neale Fenn to hang around midfield and watch the game go by would pay for 20 odd professional security to police blocks F and G in the Jodi every home game. Chuck people out for drinking, for any fighting, for standing in the aisles, and pretty soon they'll get bored and have to watch the football, which should cure them once and for all. Anyone removed should be reported to the police and, if necessary, charges pressed.
On b) for as long as it takes, with the cooperation of other clubs, I would suggest that tickets to away matches be sold only in Dalymount and that names/ memebership numbers be recorded - Bohs fans should be strictly segregated and any found in the home section removed. If necessary - as has been done with Pat's, Rovers and Drogs in the past, we should provide security for our section. Anyone causing trouble should be reported to the cops.
It'll cost time. money and commitment, but it needs to be done. At the forum which you organised in DCU last autumn I laughed when Gerry McDermott said hooliganism was the biggest problem facing the league, but now I'm not so sure. If football in this country becomes indelibly associated with this sort of nonsense, it'll never have a chance to expand its appeal outside its core audience.
This bebo scum element is a recent but growing problem. Its just little scumbags using our clubs as an excuse to act the pr!ck and cause trouble. They dont care about the clubs or the results. Clubs need to crack down hard on these ASAP.
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Yeah exactly, they arent fighting because theyre "passionate" about their club, but just for an excuse to fight one another and with football they have their excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholesun
As you said alot of the fights are organised on bebo, and my friend thought it would be a good idea if the gardaí had a look around it to find out who is causing the trouble. I think they should aswell. In a preseason friendly some Hooligans attacked some of my friends, and with just one night spent looking for them on bebo, i found them.Its not rocket science.
personally i dont think this is a sport/soccer problem this is a law and order problem...... in england its harder to police because there dealing with 100's of these types we'r talking 20-30 ppl here!. and i dont see how these fellas can run amuck between 6.30-10pm on fridays and get away with it because theres a match on..... i think the cops need to come down on them hard and even a temporary task force should be set up to rid these types outta society itself and not football alone...... its one thing to go fighting with other like minded fans b4/after a game or make it imtimidating for fans at a home game when there leaving but to travel down to waterford and attack regular fans passes even the boundaries of a regular scumbag
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Originally Posted by iceman
You "had to"? There was NO other alternative?
How old are you and how old was he?
Yes, hitting children is the answer. Beat them into submission. sure aren't they only running amok because they weren't strictly disciplined as young children :rolleyes:
He was about 22-25 and "squaring up to" and poking at a pensioner , tyring to provoke him and yes I did give him a few slaps on the neck and sent him on his way , I am in my 40's and was not going to stand aside to watch one of our senior citizens treated in this manner. I also reported it to the first Garda that I came across , not that that did any good either.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
children? Some of these little runts are 16/17/18. In a year or two they'll be out of control so maybe a little street justice might make them get their kicks elsewhere on a Friday nightQuote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
Isn't there a basic problem that all the clubs face, i.e. what to do if people make trouble at away games? You can ban them from home games, but what if they want to make trouble elsewhere?
Can clubs cooperate somehow, with each other and/or with the guards, sharing information on who not to admit?
Bertie Ahern, is that you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
In a slightly related question, what time is the Bohs-Sligo game kicking off at on Friday?
7.45 as usual. You're not invited. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
sorry :o i was exceedingly drunk. I of course meant to say condom. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
I resent that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
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Nice one. So your little runts will have plenty of time to leg it to Tolka to meet our little ****es on the way out. BrilliantQuote:
Originally Posted by LukeO
Was just wondering because in the today's Star above this Friday's eL fixtures it reads 3pm unless stated - and the only games that were stated were: Shels (8.00), Mons (8.00), and Bray (5.00).Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeO
Go have a look inside St Patricks Institution on the north Circular rd and have a look at what the 16 and 17 yr old children are responsible for.Murder rape assualt torture kidnapping you name it and believe me im not exagerating.The ****es that are causing trouble at the games are a rung below them on the ladder of scumbag behaviour and a slap in the absence of a noose will do just fine.To anyone thinking of issuing same slaps just make sure its hard enough to paralyse the parasitesQuote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
Well in that case............Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Your use of the words "little sh!ts" gave me the impression he was 13 or 14 or so, in his 20's is a different story. Still think there are always alternatives to a few slaps, but to a 22 year-old, my objections are more muted.
There's a Blacksmith in Ballyfermot doing an Easter Special for Moral High Horses. Fair few members, on this forum, must have the shoes worn off theirs, after this weekend.
Hands up which club hasn't had an unsavory element, in their support, at one point or another? Prosecution is the only answer, but to achieve that, clubs need to work together in order to compile solid evidence. Decent CCTV systems and professional stewarding.
I'm doing a photography course at the moment and as far as I'm aware as long as the person is over 16, and is at a public event (such as a football match) it is okay to use their image, as long as they don't request that you don't use the image, or that you don't publically mis-use it so to speak (i.e. putting a person's image on poster describing racists in Ireland). This might be in the process of changing (I think it is) but as it stands I think you'd be allowed print the shot anyway,posting on the internet might be a different story though but I doubt itQuote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Ah maybe thats what it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Am I the only one who thinks its fanciful to suggest, as some have done above, that clubs are not responsible for the behaviour of their fans at away games?
I think UEFA would beg to differ.
Its certainly more difficult to control away fans and needs co-operation of home club, but not impossible.
A starting point would be bringing stewards to away games who would be able to identify troublemakers and stop them entering the ground.
FCUKING SCUM. am sick to death of this type of **** the club must do something now to erradicate them. I go to the games with a group of about 6/8 Lads and we've stood in block G since the jodi opened we are seriously thinking of moving to the sitting area near the halfway line now because of these little scroats which will take away a lot of enjoyment (singing etc.) from ther whole match experiance
Afraid that doesn't work either - a person can seek an injunction to prevent a photograph being used, but again only if they can show unwarranted intrusion into privacy or harassment. A judge would not accept the argument that a photo was incrominating and therefore should not be published. Furthermore, in an environment such as a football match, photography and video footage are accepted parts of of such a situation and could reasonably be expected by the patrons attending.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Examples of photos/video without permission include CCTV, any number of crowd shots in any publications - postcards of Dublin for example, photos of players involved in the match (no permission sought) or the Gardai filming the Shell to Sea protestors.
As Jebus mentioned, the misrepresentation part is really the only restriction. There is no reason not to publish photographs of people engaged in public activities.
*edit - this may mean that you can't publish an image of a hooligan next to text describing him as a hooligan unless he is engaged in hooliganism in the image
nothing to stop you publishing images saying "A.N. Other, self confirmed member of BSC" though - if he has a bebo site saying as much
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Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
The fact that the RSC security acted promptly and prevented it from escalating further has been mentioned by several Bohs fans on the Bohs forum so you can have the buck back there.
I think the attitude of the genuine Bohs fans has been admirable and I hope that they can persuade the management of the club to act to sort this out quickly.
I really really doubt we have had that element at our club before:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
I would also be surprised if UCD have had a hoolie element.
I heard a rumour that they once had an After Eight at 7.30pm, but its unconfirmed.......
Most have but the problem is when this element gets completely out of control, which happened before with Rovers and seems to be happening now with us. It seems to me that we've overtaken Rovers in the race to have the worst scumbag element (open to correction if I'm wrong).Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Clubs who actually have a fanbase only please. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kildare Lad
I don't know, we were down in Kildare once and there was 5 lads mouthing off, thats 10% of your overall support involved right there ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kildare Lad
More than 4 of us there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogue Trader
That was me. And I'd do it again. When the stewards are looking this time! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
well this is the 2nd time tis season already that bohs have beem involved in fighting (fights in bray after match not sure who started it though). surely the fai have to do something about it?? if they dont its absolutely pathetic........
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Originally Posted by Peadar