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Yeah, to be hoenst I think people are missing the point here, that the money we earned this season is probably enough to cover the additional wage demands from the new players, not what we expect to do some time in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Well I have a feeling they're taking the second stage as a banker, and I think that in itself is risky. Ireland hardly has a precedent to even take it for granted that our clubs will make it that far. Obviously even if you think Ollie is thick no matter how biased you are you can't be insane enough to think they're banking on third round or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Shels are probably spending more then anyone but its all because you have to takes the risks otherwise you wont get anywhere...
If you only spend what you have and dont take a risk (I dont think banking on the 2nd round is a risk) you will get nowhere and every season we will fool ourselves to think that a breakthrough is just around the corner.
Shels are doing what they should be doing and moving forward season on season, taking bigger and bigger steps towards the Champions League. Each season the risks will get bigger but unless you go down this road you will never see an Irish team in the group stages...
At this stage we have probably have 10+ of the best 20 players in the league. Maybe next season we will have 15+ of the best 20 in the league??? If we cant make it in Europe at that stage then we will have to look outside the league. If any club can get 20 fulltime players from the Eircom League into the Champions League without taking a risk then let them show how its done...
well said higgins ! totally agree with you.
I don't think even Pat Dolan would come out with a howler as optimistic as that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Oh dear me, where is all this going to end? Your point about developing the strength of the Shels squad is logical enough on its own, even if the club is clinging to a steep and slippery financial slope. What if the sugar daddies have a bad day on the stock market? Or when you exit the CL a round earlier than you expected? In the real world, these are side issues compared to the context of domestic Irish soccer. If Shels do manage to avoid falling off the back of the financial tiger while buying up half the talent in the country, who is going to have the capacity to provide competitive games week in, week out? The players who should be challenging for every 50-50 ball will be sitting uselessly on the Shels bench, or even further away than that! Watch your team performances go stale while that lasts. With Bohs now weakened, that reduces the hard games by three next season already.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Shame on your club for trying to subvert the organic development of Irish domestic soccer!
In fairness, that's not our job. If the organic development of Irish domestic soccer is subverted than it's upto the other clubs to look at themselves and wonder why, not sit around and whinge that Shels are better than everyone else and there's nothing they can do about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fair_play_boy
As optimistic????Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
. . . I dont think banking on the 2nd round is a risk . . . ...
I don't think even Pat Dolan would come out with a howler as optimistic as that
We are seeded for the 1st round so I expect us to get through but it wont be easy.
We will then be up against it in the 2nd round as you seen how good a team Hajduk were and they were one of the worst teams we could get.
And you do seem like someone who will sit around and moan about shels buying players. What is it you want a league full of sh!t teams who each have an opportunity to beat each other or a league with teams who are trying to progress... I think its very unfair that Cork have fulltime players and some of the teams in the first division can hardly field a team!!!
Sour grapes is all it is...
Either go and put it up to Shels or shut up...
Sitting around moaning will get you nowhere.
'A rise in tide lifts all boats'
Its because Shels are pulling away at the moment that other clubs should and will work even harder to catch them. Its good to have competition in the league.
Also if you think Bohs are going to be 3 easy games your fooling yourself. In fact they played you in a nothing game for them without the 3 players already in front of 9000 and you still could not win in a 'must win' game. They wont be that weak next season so dont go banking on 9 points just yet.
Pulling away? Ye had a 15 point advantage over us in September. In the end, three points were all that separated us.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
I am going to be benevolent here and assume that you do not understand the concept of organic development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
It is basing the growth of the game on the players we develop from childhood to top level competitor.
It is investing in training and development facilities.
It is achieving excellence in soccer coaching, fitness training, referreeing, administration, public support, and in the standard of play.
If you do understand the concept of organic development (which I think you probably do), do you honestly believe that Shelbourne FC does not carry a share of the responsibility for achieving it? Maybe you think it is the sole responsibility of a committee somewhere??
Fair play boy ???????????????
You just going to ignore all that we reply???
What do you want Shels to do!!!
Maybe the team that win the league every season should not be allowed to sign new players! Great idea ....
Do you think the set up between Cork and Cobh is fair?
should you not donate some players and money to them as its a little unfair dont ya think!!
Its a crying shame that shels gave 24,000 people a chance to see Deportivo come to Dublin in the Champions League. Silly too that they played on TV and done very well in the ratings. We should hide the EL from the general public for fear that someone may be interested!!... lets abolish transfers and go back to when we were 10 and let the captains pick from the bunch. we can have conker fight to see who gets to pick first!! :)Quote:
Shame on your club for trying to subvert the organic development of Irish domestic soccer!
I find it sad that you actually stand by what you wrote and then back it up with some tripe about a 15 point gap!!! The league is over 36 games and 3 in the first is as important as 3 in the last....
Speaking of 3 in the last you bottled it on the last day but did we hear any of that?? A certain ref is all I hear ...AGAIN.. If shels had not have got the 1 point they needed would we be bottlers??? No doubt we would ....
You lost the league in Cork when you bottled it against us...
anyway do you have the league table anywhere when you were 15 points behind??? just want to have a look at the games played column...
are you Pat Dolan? :rolleyes:
Relax. I have a life outside of these forums. I will reply more fully when I get a bit of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
We already have "put it up to Shels" by taking the league to the last day of the season and if it wasn't for a lucky late late equaliser that ye got against us when we played ye off the park in Tolka in June we would have won the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
How could we put it up to you anymore than that????
Ollie, Fenlon and all the Tolka thugs would really want to watch their backs next season as the Rebel Army revolution is set to take another step towards greatness.
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and [SIZE=7]if[/SIZE] it wasn't for a lucky late late equaliser
Here we go again.....
If and BUT and MAYBE and on and on and on and on
there are many decent cork fans on this site who are vert realistic in their opinions of your team but comments like the one you have above are childish and far too frequent on this site...
Do you honestly think there isnt a team in the country who cant point to 10's if not 100's of decision and goals that went against them???
Grow up.....
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Originally Posted by Colm
And If your auntie had balls she'd be your uncle :D
I was just trying to illustrate how close we actually were in order to argue with your view that we didn't "put it up" to ye.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins