Pat Fenlon resigning from Bohs?

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26/03/2011, 1:51 PM
HulaHoop

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Originally Posted by SkStu

really? who?

Denis Maher
26/03/2011, 1:57 PM
SkStu

would you believe me if i said that my post was about to contain the words "Apart from Denis Maher"?

Look, i got the point you were making - and it was a nice dig - but Maher will be gone by the time the transfer window reopens. There will be no additions to the Bohs payroll this season.
26/03/2011, 2:25 PM
Rasputin

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Originally Posted by hoopy

And there in a nutshell is what's wrong at Bohs and what'll always be wrong at Bohs. Instead of stabilising your club you want to get rid of Fenlon's wages, not to ensure you have a club in the future, but to bring in players who'll be on big money. It's not only your board who have themselves to blame.

God bless the internet, endless entertainment.
26/03/2011, 3:36 PM
bluewhitearmy

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Originally Posted by SkStu

look lads, all the Rovers-Rovers fighting here, Dodge raises a good point but Ezeikials reply is just as accurate. Fenlon is not at fault for our woes, he was doing his job as a manager and, yes, in a manner that would benefit him and his reputation. I dont have a problem with that. Thats his remit and his prerogative. Fenlon, at worst, is a contributing factor to whats transpired down Dalymount. It is the board and the board alone that must shoulder the blame for the mess that we are in.

Fenlon is on big money - the wrong sort of money for Bohs to be paying (now or at anytime in honesty). For that expense to be gone is a good thing - it frees up some money to bring in some top class players who will genuinely challenge Rovers for the title and that is very important to me.

Joking aside - Fenlon is on big money, was looking for a huge budget again and from that respect we are better off without him. From a footballing point of view, i dont see it as a major loss either. His management/tactics/signings last season were erratic and ineffective. If true, this is a good thing.

In fairness lads how were ya supposed to know he was joking.
26/03/2011, 4:14 PM
Jicked

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Originally Posted by SkStu

would you believe me if i said that my post was about to contain the words "Apart from Denis Maher"?

Look, i got the point you were making - and it was a nice dig - but Maher will be gone by the time the transfer window reopens. There will be no additions to the Bohs payroll this season.

Do you think Maher will actually be gone this time, is there serious support against him this time. Really was a big opportunity missed for Bohs not heaving against the board (and Fenlon) at the end of last season.
26/03/2011, 4:23 PM
Ezeikial

The insightful informed journalism of Cathal Dervan

There some really funny passages in the Star today from Cathal Dervan :

"The financial troubles that have plagued the club for the last 12 months have finally forced Fenlon's hand."

"The club only secured a Premier Division licence a week before the start of the season and Fenlon has operated on a budget of just �250,000"
26/03/2011, 4:27 PM
SkStu

so clearly Fenlon has been feeding him those lines. What scares me most is that this seems like an attempt at leverage from Fenlon.

Jicked, man, i dont know if he will go for sure but it seems like the balance in the membership as a whole (not just the internet folk) is tipping the right way. He better be gone.
26/03/2011, 5:13 PM
hoopy

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Originally Posted by SkStu

oh dear... couple of sandwiches short i reckon.

Oh sorry...I was ..eh..joking of course:beer:
26/03/2011, 6:13 PM
Terry-Lander

I hope Fenlon stays...........we need the points
26/03/2011, 6:22 PM
Jofspring

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

There some really funny passages in the Star today from Cathal Dervan :

"The financial troubles that have plagued the club for the last 12 months have finally forced Fenlon's hand."

"The club only secured a Premier Division licence a week before the start of the season and Fenlon has operated on a budget of just �250,000"

Wasn't this followed by something like "despite the millions fenlon has at his disposal in the past". Poor old Pat eh :rolleyes:

From what I can see the man is a mug. He can win the league with all the money in the world and when the going gets anyway tough he is gone. If I see in the papers how little money he has to spend or how he has scraped together a make shift squad one more time I think I will actually get physically sick. Christ he has a better team than the majority of the league and the whole first division and Bohs have only lost one game. Grow up Pat for feck sake.
26/03/2011, 6:53 PM
horton

I think your issues lie with how journo's refer to Fenlon than the man himself. I have never seen an interview by him pleading poverty at Bohs so your a bit unfair on him. Feel free to prove me wrong though...
26/03/2011, 7:05 PM
Dodge

Defo did at the start of this season. Tabloids don't do websites so probably won't find a link for you
26/03/2011, 7:08 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I agree with you Dodge, up to a point.

The problems in Bohs are partially to do with successive boards inability to face up his demands. Fenlon is certainly part of the problem

For the record I didn't say Nutsy wasn't completely innocent, but their problems started before he went there, and he just carried on with the sham spending. problem lies with the board (and members)
26/03/2011, 7:12 PM
bluewhitearmy

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Defo did at the start of this season. Tabloids don't do websites so probably won't find a link for you

Wasnt there some interview where he was talking about barely having enough money to get a team together.
26/03/2011, 9:04 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by horton

I have never seen an interview by him pleading poverty at Bohs so your a bit unfair on him. Feel free to prove me wrong though...

Unfair comments on Fenlon, becuase you have not seen an interview by him complaining???

Where do you think the €250k figure comes from?

Have you thought about the purpose behind feeding gullible journos with this rubbish?

Just because Dervan says it again and again does not make correct or believable
26/03/2011, 9:37 PM
Poor Student

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Originally Posted by total hoofball

Drop in the ocean with Zurich lurking around the corner in 2012, the year of the Bohs apocalypse

So that's what the Mayans knew.:eek:
26/03/2011, 9:49 PM
Jicked

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Originally Posted by horton

I think your issues lie with how journo's refer to Fenlon than the man himself. I have never seen an interview by him pleading poverty at Bohs so your a bit unfair on him. Feel free to prove me wrong though...

Before the start of the season he was saying how hard it was to put together a squad at all and wasn't sure if it would be possible, suddenly he has a grand sized squad with plenty of experience and title winners in it. Remember the story that he shopped around everywhere about how his poor, poor title winning side weren't able to spend the night in Derry after a game? Rovers are pretty well off respectively, not all full time players and managed to survive getting the bus back from Derry last night.
26/03/2011, 11:31 PM
L.T.F.C.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Nutsy's a decent bloke, and I've yet to hear a single player who's played under him to have a pop.

Know them all do you?
27/03/2011, 4:14 PM
horton

Jaysus far to much hostility on here for my liking. Fair enough, I live in England so I'm not exposed to the local tabloid fodder about the LoI. I retract my comment.
27/03/2011, 7:38 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.

Know them all do you?

Course not, but I've heard loads of players complain about other managers. Its a small enough league
28/03/2011, 8:56 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by horton

I think your issues lie with how journo's refer to Fenlon than the man himself. I have never seen an interview by him pleading poverty at Bohs so your a bit unfair on him. Feel free to prove me wrong though...

Yeah, the journo's all came up with the same line, independently without any spinning from anyone...

Hard to argue with Fenlons record, however, he has always done it with money and has never done it, or shown any desire to do it, on a limited budget. That will always be attached to what he's done in the LoI, imho.
28/03/2011, 11:43 AM
CrowdedHouse

Excellent Article on We Play Fridays :D

http://weplayonfridays.com/?p=401
28/03/2011, 12:35 PM
pineapple stu

An actual source.
28/03/2011, 12:57 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

An actual source.

So an unnamed source said "We don't know whats happening"

Smashing piece of journalism that
28/03/2011, 1:20 PM
pineapple stu

Still the best source on the thread so far!

(Damn your realism...)
28/03/2011, 1:45 PM
alltogethernow

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Originally Posted by hoopy

But as we know Bohs refuse to go down the route most clubs in the league has had to do, ie start from scratch again and build on that.

Do you actually know anything?
28/03/2011, 2:29 PM
CuanaD

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Originally Posted by alltogethernow

Do you actually know anything?

Fine example of a rhetorical question there
:cool:
:ball:
28/03/2011, 3:46 PM
hoopy

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Originally Posted by alltogethernow

Do you actually know anything?

I asked the question on another thread and I 'll ask it again. Why didn't Bohs members ask for an EGM when Stevie Wonder could see how things were panning out?
28/03/2011, 3:51 PM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by hoopy

I asked the question on another thread and I 'll ask it again. Why didn't Bohs members ask for an EGM when Stevie Wonder could see how things were panning out?

... not sure but maybe
(a) Fenlon has not gone yet so bit early for an EGM to discuss it.
(b) AGM was last Monday night so some may have thought it a bit soon for an EGM (given rules it would have had to be sought before the AGM took place.Weird)

Amusing seeing you ramble on about something you appear to know so little about but suggest you may be ruining the image of shams "knowing everything about Bohs" that some on here like to imagine.
28/03/2011, 3:55 PM
alltogethernow

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Originally Posted by hoopy

I asked the question on another thread and I 'll ask it again. Why didn't Bohs members ask for an EGM when Stevie Wonder could see how things were panning out?

No no, just wondering if you know anything about why we haven't done what you lot have done and as you say 'start again'

Clearly you don't.

On Fenlon going, hopefully we don't have to pay him to much!!
28/03/2011, 3:58 PM
hoopy

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

... not sure but maybe
(a) Fenlon has not gone yet so bit early for an EGM to discuss it.
(b) AGM was last Monday night so some may have thought it a bit soon for an EGM (given rules it would have had to be sought before the AGM took place.Weird)

Amusing seeing you ramble on about something you appear to know so little about but suggest you may be ruining the image of shams "knowing everything about Bohs" that some on here like to imagine.

If you took the blinkers off I actually meant why wasn't an EGM called for a few weeks ago when everyone knew the budget figures were a fairytale?
28/03/2011, 4:00 PM
hoopy

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Originally Posted by alltogethernow

No no, just wondering if you know anything about why we haven't done what you lot have done and as you say 'start again'

Clearly you don't.

I'd hazard a guess and say things would've been done differently at Bohs if our club wasn't as well run and in the great situation it is now. There's rivalry and then there's stupidity.
29/03/2011, 9:26 AM
alltogethernow

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Originally Posted by hoopy

I'd hazard a guess and say things would've been done differently at Bohs if our club wasn't as well run and in the great situation it is now. There's rivalry and then there's stupidity.

Right, im lost. How can we do what you have done and 'start over again' as you say when we own Dalymount?
29/03/2011, 9:36 AM
shantykelly

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Originally Posted by alltogethernow

Right, im lost. How can we do what you have done and 'start over again' as you say when we own Dalymount?

sell it again? and again?
29/03/2011, 9:56 AM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by hoopy

If you took the blinkers off I actually meant why wasn't an EGM called for a few weeks ago when everyone knew the budget figures were a fairytale?

Amazing how you knew they were a "fairytale" but people who saw them like FAI and licencing people accepted the budget So lets see, sham "we know all about Bohs" speculating on guesstimatesversus experienced football/financial administrators that have actually seen the figures ? Wow, that a tough one to call. again why would members call an EGM when the AGM was scheduled for last Monday night anyway ? Are you really silly enough to believe Fenlon is leaving because Bohs are spending too much ?
29/03/2011, 10:03 AM
pineapple stu

Cos no club who's had their budget accepted by the FAI has ever then completely ignored it.
29/03/2011, 10:08 AM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by hoopy

I'd hazard a guess and say things would've been done differently at Bohs if our club wasn't as well run and in the great situation it is now. There's rivalry and then there's stupidity.

Maybe its because due to Dalymount we cant just stiff our creditors (including players) like shams did. Maybe its because we want to do our best to honour our commitments and not walk away from them like shams did. Maybe we do not see misapprpriating public funding as a business option. Maybe we are still not in as bad a position as shams were in 2005 (have not noticed any orders for Tippex at Dalymount yet). Maybe a combination of several/all of these

Presumably you are only supporting shams since 2006 as otherwise you would be aware how appallingly badly they were run up until that. Presumably you forget that after twenty odd years of renting (and various promises of "permanent homes") you are still renting on an insecure basis. The fact that you can "fold the club" at any time because you have little in the way of assets is not quite the same as "well run" or indeed constitute a "great situation".
29/03/2011, 12:18 PM
El-Pietro

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Cos no club who's had their budget accepted by the FAI has ever then completely ignored it.

Tom Coughlan did. supposed to have thrown it in the bin as soon as it was reviewed
29/03/2011, 12:34 PM
Jicked

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Maybe its because due to Dalymount we cant just stiff our creditors (including players) like shams did. Maybe its because we want to do our best to honour our commitments and not walk away from them like shams did. Maybe we do not see misapprpriating public funding as a business option. Maybe we are still not in as bad a position as shams were in 2005 (have not noticed any orders for Tippex at Dalymount yet). Maybe a combination of several/all of these

Huh? You can, and you did just a few short weeks ago. When the 400 Club originally took over Rovers we were only in a position to pay 4% of the debts racked up by the old board, it was that or they got nothing. About 2 months ago Bohemians paid their players a percentage of the money they owed them for next season, it was that or they got nothing. Obviously there's bigger payments to be made in the future, but I hardly think Bohs are above trying to renegotiate their debt when they did just that about 8 weeks ago.

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The fact that you can "fold the club" at any time because you have little in the way of assets is not quite the same as "well run" or indeed constitute a "great situation".

Shamrock Rovers have been well run for many years now, no matter how it galls you to admit it. Presumably the hundreds of clubs around Europe who don't own their grounds can never be as well run as Bohemians, I'm sure European Champions Internazionale are worried about their far from great situation.
29/03/2011, 12:36 PM
Financial Stew

[QUOTE=marinobohs;1470784]Maybe its because due to Dalymount we cant just stiff our creditors (including players) like shams did. Maybe its because we want to do our best to honour our commitments

REALLY!!!!!

And you think that racking up even more debt by signing up some of the best players in the league when as per usual you can't afford them will help you to honour your commitments????

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