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Originally posted by wws
look mate I'm not having a go but that is totally unrealistic
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Demographics .... Catchment area (spelling?).
Why say unrealistic.
Compare with other European Cities
Even just to give the benifit of the doubt, dont include England, France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
Not unrealistic at all. Put is this way .... any club that is not thinking like that could get left behind.
But thats the point Im making, a lot of Irish people get bored quickly when their team isnt winning. The GAA is perfect for them, if their team loses twice then they dont have to worry until next year to once again become die-hard supporters.Quote:
Originally posted by Ref
well there were roughly 80,000 people in croke park a few weeks back and there were more people there than at the Nou Camp.
Example; Hype built up the first leage game of the season where Dublin played Armagh something like 55k at it. Next game Dublin play in the league they couldnt fill Parnell Park.
Never mind unrealistic, it's rediculous. I'd be delighted with an average of 5,000. 3-4000 averages for culchies and 6-7000 averages for dub derbies. I don't think our 2060 fans are discouraging anyone from coming. The fact that we haven't had a settled home for the last 18 years might have something to do with it though. In fact, over the last year many hoops have commented that they haven't enjoyed coming to games so much in years, due to the colour and the noise that's been created recently. It is a dilemna though. The atmosphere is undoubtedy better when you've got 2000 hardcore nutters, than when you have 6000 part timers. You could liken it to the difference between atmospheres at Ireland games in the seventies and eighties at atmosphere at the Ireland games these days. There may only have been 15-20000 standing on the terraces of Dalymount and Landsdowne back in those days but at least they sung their hearts out for ninety minutes.
Finally, I really don't let any slagging about our attendances get to me. The stadium issue is a weight on our shoulders that no other club has had to or would have been capable of carrying. When Tallaght comes around things will change. Just you all wait and see!
First point. I am not slagging .... dont accuse me of it.
The cross only holds 8K ....... EXTEND .... Build up. In short what i am saying is dont look for an excuse.
The say "but if we had the premiership crowd, .... blah blah ... it wouldn't work" is complete crap.
By that are you saying that we shouldn't try anything at all. If it is then it is retárded.
As much as I hate to admit Rovers games are my favourite team in the country to play - The rivalry between these two clubs goes back to the 50's and 60's and has never really disappeared. This fixture always pulls a huge cword in Waterford regardless where both teams are in the leagueQuote:
Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Meant culchie teams - Drogs, Waterford, Cork etc. Dublin derbys are weird re. attendances. You can never second guess them.
Down the country they all come out to see the mighty Hoops. For instance our rivalry with Waterford is older than our rivalry with the gypos.
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Originally posted by A face
First point. I am not slagging .... dont accuse me of it.
The cross only holds 8K ....... EXTEND .... Build up. In short what i am saying is dont look for an excuse.
The say "but if we had the premiership crowd, .... blah blah ... it wouldn't work" is complete crap.
By that are you saying that we shouldn't try anything at all. If it is then it is retárded.
A Face the fact of the matter is we cant get 5k average and your talking about extending the Cross. What we need to hold on to the people who come to games and then build on that rather than saying we need 10k and need to extend the ground. Fill what we have first then expand.
Im never said dont try but Rome wasnt built in a day.
Clubs need to walk before they can run. 8K average is unrealistic for now.
If for example city keep selling out the cross & it becomes hard for even diehards to get tickets then obviously they should look to increase capacity. Increasing capacity when you can not hope to fill is just stupid.
Obviously the GAA gets much bigger crowds but they won't get those crowds every week. Just look at the back door games & up can see half empty terraces etc...
I can't talk for other clubs but the crowds at the cross have been impressive. I don't think the average of 5k is that far out his season & the real test is to keep those numbers up even if the club not top of the table. If we are top of the table filling the cross will be no problem. Getting approx 4k for the visit of UCD has shown how much the club has improved in recent years.
A Premier League average of 5k throughout the season isn't that unrealistic in say 3 years. To fund a fulltime premier league may require closer to averages such as 6-7k.
Might suprise you to know we actually have fans, as shocking as that may be....Quote:
Originally posted by pete
Figures obviously only approx numbers but should even out over the 2nd series of games.
Shel$ seem surprisingly high but think they boosted by a few big dublin derbies. No surprise to see Pats the best supported club from the pale but Bohs continue to get crap crowds.
where r u getting your facts from
People at the games supplying estimates.Quote:
Originally posted by Blues Fanatic
where are you getting your facts from
People at thegames supplying estimates.Quote:
Originally posted by Blues Fanatic
where are you getting your facts from
You should consider yourselves lucky guys, the IL would struggle to try and compete with that. Obviously you're doing something right if that's the way crowds have grown since I lived in Dublin in the aerly/mid 90's. Do you think it's the summer switch that's done it?
Okay, Linfield might get 12,500 + when the play Glumtoran but there are Premier teams who get much less than 1,000 for their average. We're way behind when it comes to marketing and selling our game.
As for the First Division, well it's spot the fan in some cases. That's not meant to denigrate the people who run those clubs and keep them alive, it's just a simple fact.
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Originally posted by Postman
Our five home games that you are using included ties against Drogheda, UCD, Cork and Derry. Not one of these clubs brought more than a hundred fans. .
We never get more than 60 away fans (ever) so i guess that argument doesnt make sense
Just on that - why is it youz play your home games on Thursdays? Yez'll never get any travelling support with games on Thursdays. Are the attendances really that much better than Fridays?Quote:
Originally posted by dortie
We never get more than 60 away fans (ever) so i guess that argument doesnt make sense
Well there was certainly more than 60 pats fans there a couple of weeks ago. I'd say about double it actuallyQuote:
Originally posted by dortie
We never get more than 60 away fans (ever) so i guess that argument doesnt make sense
That's your own faults with Thursday night "weekend" football...Quote:
Originally posted by dortie
We never get more than 60 away fans (ever) so i guess that argument doesnt make sense
Yeah but your first series included home games against Pats, Bohs and Rovers....Quote:
Originally posted by Slash/ED
Might suprise you to know we actually have fans, as shocking as that may be....
That's true alright, but the support has definitely improved.
Sensible stuff pete, especially considering you seem to be a neighbour of WAR's :DQuote:
Originally posted by pete
A Premier League average of 5k throughout the season isn't that unrealistic in say 3 years. To fund a fulltime premier league may require closer to averages such as 6-7k.
What doesn't make sense. You're the most progressive club in Ireland of course you get big crowds :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by dortie
We never get more than 60 away fans (ever) so i guess that argument doesnt make sense
Seriously though I'd expect our average attendence to pass yours out bytheend of this round of fixtures, though you attract on average of more home fans.