Hypocritical Geldof?

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Originally Posted by geysir

I don't get the hypocrite angle.

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There's no hypocrisy here, just a load of too-cool-for-school uber-cynics that can't (more likely won't) see the man has a point.

LiveAid raised a shedload of money, 150 million all told. Did it make a difference? No, probably. So is that a reason for never doing it? Course not.
Live8 got promises from the G8 nations regarding 3rd World debt, promises that were reneged upon subsequently, that was Geldof's fault too I suppose.
LiveEarth has no goals, nothing that can be said to be the aim of the series of concerts, that to me is all Saint Bob is saying. I fancy he's right, 'cos he'd know.

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

See theres the problem with humanity, assuming someone else is the expert and has everything in hand.

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Maybe assuming someone who's had something to do with the matter in question knows a bit about it, as opposed to a motley bunch of no-mark footie fans (include meself in that) and semi-literate studes who of course know f*cking everything! :D

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Originally Posted by stann

LiveAid raised a shedload of money, 150 million all told. Did it make a difference?

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A pittance of what the top ten selling atrists who performed could have, and could still donate, forgive me for not liking being criticised for not given enough of the little money I have to the worlds poor by some **** sitting in his mansion

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Originally Posted by stann

Live8 got promises from the G8 nations regarding 3rd World debt, promises that were reneged upon subsequently, that was Geldof's fault too I suppose.

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Spare me. It was his fault for pretending to the masses that all Live8 could have ever gotten off G8 was a couple of soundbytes

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

...good thing everyone else didn't think like yourself and Maggie.

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Comparing me to Thatcher :rolleyes:

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...well yeah. Meanwhile people who could be saved were (and are) dying ...what do you do? tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock.

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S oy ou agree it should be up to the colonial powers. That's grand so

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What? the guy is consistent and persistent so now he's a shameless self promoter?

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Yes and an Ar$ehole to boot

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International acclaim? The Rats were fcukin HUGE. No.1s all over the place ...huge tours ...the whole deal. Now your personal taste in music, nor mine, is neither at issue or of interest here. The guys career as a musician suffered severely because he dedicated time and effort to trying to improve things for some of the most vulnerable of the vulnerable.

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I'm 21 had no idea find it surprising tbh

I still don't think a knighthood and a sainthood were in the offing

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:rolleyes: ...can I take you're indulging in the trite to mean you're not contesting that Gore has sailed close to the wind in his appropriation of the LIVE tag in the naming of his event?

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Imagine describing a LIVE Music event as LIVE, the mind boggles

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I suspect there's a good few Ethiopians who think it made a huge difference to them.

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And I suspect that Ethiopia is still a $hithole and Sir Bob is still a rather wealthy ex-musician, maybe we're both right??

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...to save as many lives as possible and give as many people as possible a better future. It was never claimed that it could or would make all right with the world.

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Awwwww, that's actually really lovely

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But it sure as sh1t made a real difference to many people who were imminently dead as doornails if it hadn't happened.

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I refer you to my earlier point about large swathes of the Third World still being $hitholes

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He wasn't sniping at anyone to get in the papers so far as I can see. Though if he has some issues with Gore I could forgive him for remembering that this guy was number 2 in an administration that would only countenance pitifully small debt cancelation (and that only to administrations that towed Washingtons line)

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An administration I can remember Sir Bob constantly and loudly criticising at every single available oppurtunity......

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and even more pertinent -would only consider emission reductions so small as to be meaningless and pointless

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That is fair enough

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Based on the fact that I think he talks ****, his band were ****e and Live 8

What franchise exactly? Using the word live to promote global concerts? Or making celebrity friends by having them pretend they give two ****s about the World on a global stage? Either way boo ****ing hoo

As I am to mine that the more recent Live 8 was a glorified way to boost record sales of the artists on show and a thinly veiled 'aren't we great' moment for all the right on morons left in the entertainment industry, Madonna's 'act' being the most sickening, followed by Pete Doherty being on stage for some reason, closely followed by Sir Bob taking the stage to perform songs that no-one has given a toss about in manys a year.

Furthermore on the Live 8 point, given that this was the more recent and appalling of the Knight's crimes, would it have harmed the message much to stick some of the quality African artists that are out there on the bill so that they might get a revenue boost that would actually have been used in said random African countries? According to Sir Bob that would have been against what Live 8 was trying to do, which says a lot about how far Geldof's values have slipped since the 80s

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Got tired of writing so...... What he said :)

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Originally Posted by jebus

A pittance of what the top ten selling atrists who performed could have, and could still donate, forgive me for not liking being criticised for not given enough of the little money I have to the worlds poor by some **** sitting in his mansion

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I never said anything about you liking it one way or the other. I don't much like it meself as it goes, particularly Bono's brand of it, but it's immaterial.
LiveAid raised 150M that would not have been raised without LiveAid. The fact that this money has not wiped out world poverty, as has been mentioned before, or the fact that other people have more money they don't need as you're saying here, does not change this one iota.

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Originally Posted by jebus

Spare me. It was his fault for pretending to the masses that all Live8 could have ever gotten off G8 was a couple of soundbytes

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Spare you! Jesus I'm terribly sorry to have put you through that! :D If my posts are such a trial to you put me on ignore.
I thought it was a good attempt, it might have had good consequences, and might still if enough people with a bit of clout keep reminding the goverments in question of their craven flip-flopping.

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And I suspect that Ethiopia is still a $hithole and Sir Bob is still a rather wealthy ex-musician, maybe we're both right??



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Ethiopia is a beautifull country

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Originally Posted by stann

LiveAid raised a shedload of money, 150 million all told.

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150 million!! That's almost as much as Madonnas worth

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Did it make a difference? No, probably.

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Thank You

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So is that a reason for never doing it? Course not.

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Indeed. There's pats on the back to be had, self righteous speeches to give and contacts to be made

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Live8 got promises from the G8 nations regarding 3rd World debt,

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LMAO

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promises that were reneged upon subsequently

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Surprise, surprise

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that was Geldof's fault too I suppose.

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Of course it wasn't

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Originally Posted by anto1208

Ethiopia is a beautifull country

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For the dim witted among you I was referring to the poverty stricken masses rather then the scenery :rolleyes:

Not getting into it with you LTID, partly because it's no use as you plainly are never wrong, but mainly as this was a particularly wankerish thing to say.

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Awwwww, that's actually really lovely

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Originally Posted by stann

Not getting into it with you LTID, partly because it's no use as you plainly are never wrong, but mainly as this was a particularly wankerish thing to say.

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It's a genuinely lovely sentiment and one that no one would disagree with

D'uh :rolleyes:

But why not get all of these showbiz contacts to donate some of their vast fortunes, maybe even without a shed load of publicity??

Ordinary people have lots of problems of their own without being lectured to by rock stars

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Comparing me to Thatcher :rolleyes:



S oy ou agree it should be up to the colonial powers. That's grand so



Yes and an Ar$ehole to boot



I'm 21 had no idea find it surprising tbh

I still don't think a knighthood and a sainthood were in the offing



Imagine describing a LIVE Music event as LIVE, the mind boggles



And I suspect that Ethiopia is still a $hithole and Sir Bob is still a rather wealthy ex-musician, maybe we're both right??



Awwwww, that's actually really lovely



I refer you to my earlier point about large swathes of the Third World still being $hitholes



An administration I can remember Sir Bob constantly and loudly criticising at every single available oppurtunity......



That is fair enough



Got tired of writing so...... What he said :)

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That's that settled then -Live Aid/Band Aid wasn't worth doing because saving -probably a few million lives -is too high a price to pay for making megastars out of U2, Madonna and ...who else? ... Sting maybe ...oh and re-launching Queen in America.

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

It's a genuinely lovely sentiment and one that no one would disagree with

D'uh :rolleyes:

But why not get all of these showbiz contacts to donate some of their vast fortunes, maybe even without a shed load of publicity??

Ordinary people have lots of problems of their own without being lectured to by rock stars

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Thought there was a touch of sarcasm in that initial bit but if that's what you were saying there then cheerfully withdrawn.
Not disagreeing with your last two lines either, not at all.
But the item that kicked the thread off was Sir Bob making a couple of (IMO valid) points to Al Gore and the LiveEarth organisers, not ordinary people. All I'm saying is that, whatever you think about the private motivations of the acts involved, LiveAid, and to a lesser extent Live8, had points to them, and targets to aim at.
LiveAid to raise a shedload of cash and raise awareness. Which it did.
Live8 to browbeat (for want of a better word) the G8 nations into initiating debt relief measures, which they've since gone back on.
LiveEarth, and the similarity in the name is not a coincidence, doesn't seem to have an actual point, except to raise awareness of climate problems that people know about anyway.

Not defending Geldof personally either, if you don't like the chap you don't like him. Just seems to me that trashing what he did with LiveAid because Madonna is worth more than they raised there is more than a bit unfair.

You managed to garner that:

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

That's that settled then -Live Aid/Band Aid wasn't worth doing because saving -probably a few million lives -is too high a price to pay for making megastars out of U2, Madonna and ...who else? ... Sting maybe ...oh and re-launching Queen in America.

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Comparing me to Thatcher



S oy ou agree it should be up to the colonial powers. That's grand so



Yes and an Ar$ehole to boot



I'm 21 had no idea find it surprising tbh

I still don't think a knighthood and a sainthood were in the offing



Imagine describing a LIVE Music event as LIVE, the mind boggles



And I suspect that Ethiopia is still a $hithole and Sir Bob is still a rather wealthy ex-musician, maybe we're both right??



Awwwww, that's actually really lovely



I refer you to my earlier point about large swathes of the Third World still being $hitholes



An administration I can remember Sir Bob constantly and loudly criticising at every single available oppurtunity......



That is fair enough



Got tired of writing so...... What he said

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Sweet Jesus :rolleyes:

Also those megastars you mentioned - Probably would have made it without simultaneously patronising two continents ;)

Also, is that the same Queen that toured Apartheid South Africa?? Wasn't Mercury a bit iffy politically?? (Based on a vague memory, will happily withdraw if wrong)

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Originally Posted by stann

Thought there was a touch of sarcasm in that initial bit but if that's what you were saying there then cheerfully withdrawn.
Not disagreeing with your last two lines either, not at all.

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Was being sarcastic if I'm honest but because I question the motivations involved rather than because of any hatred I may have for Africans (BTW, just to clarify, I don't) :)

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Not defending Geldof personally either, if you don't like the chap you don't like him. Just seems to me that trashing what he did with LiveAid because Madonna is worth more than they raised there is more than a bit unfair

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Again see the last two lines of the post you quoted

None of this answers the question of what business is it of Geldof to stick his 2 cents in on Live Earth? Would he have appreciated Al Gore saying Live 8 was going to be a waste of time?