Rovers in The Herald, again...

I know somebody who was at the match (which is weird as he never goes to any soccer matches!!), his college mates are Cobh fans and he was up there for a few days. He told me about the chants. Said there was only a small bunch of "drunken retards" doing it. Nine or ten tops.

The Herald article fails to mention that the vast, vast majority of fans at the game didn't do anything wrong. Yet they get a story out of a tiny bunch of yobs acting like idiots. He said it was literally a handful and he wouldn't have heard it unless he was sranding a few feet away. Nothing to shame the club or league. Mind you, Rovers do need to get rid of the last few scumbags that will be reading this story tonight and feel proud of themselves. "Something for the scrapbook" they'll say, "another Herald article abou' me and Anto and the Boyz..."...

For what its worth, none of the Cobh fans i work with heard it .... they would have been in earshot aswell so it definitely didn't happen unless Rovers fans were singing it amongst themselves, which is fine just as long as no one has to endure it.

The short of it ..... the Herald seem to have made up a complete crock ...... again !!

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Originally Posted by Philly

I know somebody who was at the match (which is weird as he never goes to any soccer matches!!), his college mates are Cobh fans and he was up there for a few days. He told me about the chants. Said there was only a small bunch of "drunken retards" doing it. Nine or ten tops.

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That seems to match to be honest ..... if it was sung then it wasn't loudly or by many people. But then again you could say that 5-6 Rovers slaughtered a lamb and offered it to the gods and put the same spin as the Herald did, all they say is 'prove it didn't happen' ....... the reasoning and intent behind that paper is what should be considered when ever they are mentioned. You just know its not for the good of the community anyway, they dont do 'for the good of the community' !!

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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

explain to me why this story is in the paper while the fact riot cops are deployed in drumcondra on friday isnt?

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That would be a lie.

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Originally Posted by hoops1

As one of the few sober hoops in the ground I can honestly say I never heard
this chant. I obviously wasnt in all places at all times but If Scum did sing
it then they really need to take a long walk off a short pier.
I dont believe it happened because of the lies previously told re the Dundalk incidents which I witnessed. I genuinely believe there is an anti Rovers agenda in that paper.

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My opinion. I was also sober....I can honestly say that I never heard it being sung at the game or otherwise.

El Fans Boycott The Herald!!

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Originally Posted by Philly

El Fans Boycott The Herald!!

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Christ, I hope most of us are doing this already.

I personally take great delight in refusing the freesheet morning rag they produce every day on the way to work.

Gutter journalism, and worse, gutter journalism by someone hellbent on kicking the Eircom League further down, as if it needs it.

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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

ask him was it inside our outside the ground?

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I am quite sure he said he was in the ground a few feet from them.

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Originally Posted by sduffy

If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the few genuine supporters that your club have that have you put up filth. Or feel sorry for the apologists that these scumbags have, who always appear to be looking the other way. The thing with Rovers is that the trouble is always some else's fault.

I also find it incredible that a debate on this incident has degenerated into a "Herald doesn't like Rovers" debate. This is really, reds under the bed, stuff!!

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Agreed!

and for anyone who doesn't, have a read of this:

http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=578707&postcount=13

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

and this is very ironic from a dundalk fan after your head in the sand attitude twice this season.

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And rovers fans have their heads in the sand all season!!
As i've already said in this thread i dont believe that it was a majority of rovers fans that were chanting that that it was very few but no rovers fans have condemed it at all. That aside i dont see how you cand defend this. http://www.foot.ie/showpost.php?p=578483&postcount=35 No matter what trouble happens that involves rovers fans its always someone elses fault. I know your not always to blame but it'd help once in a while if you held your hands up and said yeah that wasnt on. We have done it with the trouble that happend on the carrick road outside oriel where a few scumbag schoolagans waited for your fans.

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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

what has that got to do with the issue in hand? they had one style open for 800 fans, so what?

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So why didn't they give the guy money as they were going through the gate?


Your club really is unbelievable and your head in the sand attitude is $hels like to say the least. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

what have we got to gain?

we havent a legal recourse and they dont care. why would the news editor meet reps from our club? a murderer will probably walk free as a result of their coverage of late. this is part of a much bigger problem with this particular paper.

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Holy fcuk - you're seriously asking what would you have to gain from talking to the Herald about your allegation of constant mistreatment at their hands ?!?!? :eek: :o

I would've thought it was blindingly obvious. If it only caused them to think twice, or alter even just one word, the next time they came to do a story about Rovers then it would've been worthwhile !

You can claim meeting with them would do no good, or even that they wouldn't weant to meet with Rovers, but until the club asks the question and/or has such a meeting you simply won't know ! And even if it did - so fcuk. The potential benefits of engaging with the Herald massively out-weigh the downside of spending an hour of your club's time in the hope of reducing, playing-down or stopping the extremely negative reporting Rovers receives from that paper.

But sure - just lean back with your hands behind your heads doing nothing but bemoaning the paper whilst the name of your club, and by association the League, gets dragged through the gutter on a regular basis. For a fan-rum club, that is a terribly negative/defeatist attitude to have.

Just a thought.
If rovers really believe the conspiracy theory then could it be to do with Tallaght?
The whole thing seems mad. A Herald reporter going down to Cobh and standing beside a handful of "fans" singing that crap. No one, but a very small handful hear it, and it ends up big news in the Herald rag??
I would be looking for a connection between a South Dublin GAA club and the Herald.

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Originally Posted by Louth4sam

We have done it with the trouble that happend on the carrick road outside oriel where a few scumbag schoolagans waited for your fans.

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No you haven't dealt with it or ever will. There has been trouble caused by Dundalk "fans" against Rovers fans at Oriel for decades. It's as predictable as Dundalk playing there on Thursday nights.

There were no chants about the crime committed by WOD, sung by our fans at the game in Cobh.

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Holy fcuk - you're seriously asking what would you have to gain from talking to the Herald about your allegation of constant mistreatment at their hands??

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I don't think the Rovers directors should go anywhere near the herald editor. Next headline - "Herald Editor Threatened by Rovers Mob".

Reading this thread as an interested observer i am amazed that it has taken as much internet space as it has. It is a non-story. A few sh1theads sing a sick chant (but keep it low so hardly anyone can hear) and it gets this coverage? I can think of thousands of times that some young scut or idiot has tried to start a stupid chant but has been quickly told to shut the fcuk up by reasonable fans around him. If all these made it to the papers there'd be room for nothing else. I am sur emost of the Rovers fans at that game if they heard the chat would have given these fellas a smack around the head.

I think the critcisms of Rovers on this one is a bit OTT. IMO that club does need to do more regarding 'fan' behaviour and its tolerance (certainly we do as well after our last game against them - but I think we accept that, they don't) but by jumping up and down on every little inconsequential piece of coverage just trivialises the serious issues. There is nothing to this.

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No you haven't dealt with it or ever will. There has been trouble caused by Dundalk "fans" against Rovers fans at Oriel for decades. It's as predictable as Dundalk playing there on Thursday nights.

There were no chants about the crime committed by WOD, sung by our fans at the game in Cobh.

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How can we deal with something that happened outside the ground??

So you still wont admit that your "fans" have ever done anything wrong?

If the chants were not sung by your fans who sung it??

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Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

I don't think the Rovers directors should go anywhere near the herald editor. Next headline - "Herald Editor Threatened by Rovers Mob".

Reading this thread as an interested observer i am amazed that it has taken as much internet space as it has. It is a non-story. A few sh1theads sing a sick chant (but keep it low so hardly anyone can hear) and it gets this coverage? I can think of thousands of times that some young scut or idiot has tried to start a stupid chant but has been quickly told to shut the fcuk up by reasonable fans around him. If all these made it to the papers there'd be room for nothing else. I am sur emost of the Rovers fans at that game if they heard the chat would have given these fellas a smack around the head.

I think the critcisms of Rovers on this one is a bit OTT. IMO that club does need to do more regarding 'fan' behaviour and its tolerance (certainly we do as well after our last game against them - but I think we accept that, they don't) but by jumping up and down on every little inconsequential piece of coverage just trivialises the serious issues. There is nothing to this.

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Excellent post.

In fairness lads I was right down beside the singing Rovers fans and I never once heard anything like that being sung. I hope Rovers take action because its VERY bad press for them.

2 Rovers volunteers pointed out to a steward that a cash take should have been set up at the gate to speed people through (We did that at the cup game when the crowd showed up at the last minute).

Response: The stile (singular) has been open since 6.00.

Jaysus lads, some of you are in severe danger of spontaneously combusting from an overdose of self-rightousness. And all this hysteria based on an Evening Herald story. You sound like a bunch of old Tories after reading a Daily Mail story on immigration.

The Herald hate us, it's simple. And DCFCSteve, of course we've made representations but Ian Mallon, Mick McCaffrey et al see us as news - to them we represent "what's wrong with society" and we make good copy.

The Herald operates on creating and hyping up fear, especially re. crime. The building of an image of us as rampaging hordes out to destroy decent society fits the Herald bill perfectly. I know this is all fact from speaking to other Herald journalists who are embarrassed by this rubbish - at least one of the blokes I spoke to is a die hard Bohs fan.

These same journalists are equally ashamed of the Herald's handling of high profile murder cases. The official Herald editorial line is "we don't care."

In the last few years they've claimed that we are Nazis, we orchestrated the Orange riots in Dublin, we've attacked Dundalk fans and now we've sung this song at the Cobh game. I've forgotten the full list because it's too depressing.

But if the high horse brigade are happy buying into this agenda then good luck to you. Taking your opinions from a rag like the Herald does you no credit and the Herald will never even wound Shamrock Rovers not to mind destroy us.

KOH

In fairness, if two Rovers fans bumped into each other, the Herald would run a front page story on Football Hooligans Riot. They go way over-the-top about anything bad that has any connection to Rovers.

I've always thought they have some of the best and worst fans in the country. I don't know if that song was sung or by whom, but I wouldn't let it colour my judgement of the club as a whole. A couple of young idiots at our games have been known to sing about what they'd rather be than a Dub, but are quickly drowned out. That doesn't make all of us cross-burning racists.

The Herald definitely have an unhealthy obsession with Shamrock Rovers. Sure the day Joe O'Reilly was arrested, I said to the lads at our game, "What will the Herald do with their front page if Rovers actually do riot tonight?"