Play-offs

In all fairness and i aint being dis-respectfull by any means, i went up as a neutral and also with another blues supporter (my Cousin) and he even said the very same thing.
Kilkenny went through ye several times during the game, they had 1 guy in particular before got sent off for lashing out cos that guy with the shaved heard would make Georgie O'Callaghan look like an altar boy, what a cheat, he tried to get the guy sent off several times and he finally succeeded and 1 of your own supporters sitting next to me in the old stand even said the same, anyway this guy who plays for the cats wasnt a bad player at all, probably the best they have and he went through ye no problem.
And yes i still think Kilkenny made ye look good, no dis-respect !

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Originally Posted by Mental Man

And yes i still think Kilkenny made ye look good, no dis-respect !

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Mind you, ten Premier Divison teams made Waterford look bad, no disrespect. :rolleyes:

Is the Waterford-Dundalk friendly the most meaningless play-off ever?

Everyone knows that the places are already decided by now, and come what may, both teams will stay where they are next season, based purely on location criteria alone.

I am well aware of the Blues performances this year , i was at most of the away games and all the home games.
Well if Mike Kerley ever comes looking for a job at GUFC then run a mile, though he does a great impression of a statue on the sideline and thats his best point :D .
Though since Gareth Cronin came in he really has shaken the whole thing up and were all looking forward to Premiere Footie next year and yes realistically the play-offs are meaningless because due to Dundalks and Galways past few years laugishing in the Lower half of the 1st division they havent a snowballs chance of coming up if any of them had won the play-offs .

Mental Man i wonder did the maroon smoke blind you for the whole game?
We hammered them.they're goal was pretty nmuch an own goal.
I'd be fairly confident Dundalk will beat yee over the 2 legs because from what i've seen of yee this year on telly ye're abysmal.

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Originally Posted by Partizan

Jim O'Neill, a spokesperson for Waterford United was just on WLR FM and stated categorically that according to the Management Committee, the Club scored highly in finance, marketability and infrastructure and therefore will be playing in the new Premier Division next season.

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Funny how they're the only club that have been told the results...

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

If the criteria announced is applied properly, which you have to assume it will be, then UCD will have no problem staying up.

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Apart from the attendance/potential marketability criteria of course.

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Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

Apart from the attendance/potential marketability criteria of course.

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Which is less than 10%.

To be honest i cant see dundalk beating us, for once we have a full team for the coming games, cawley, Ger McCarthy, rennie etc.. are all back from suspensions etc.. since Gareth Cronin brought in Hedderman,keely at the back things have improved big time, with Kenny Browne and John Hayes also with them its a fairly good back 4.
I know ye hammered Kilkenny city,sure jaysus any team would hammer them they are that bad, i dont even know how they are left in the league, the toilet facilities are disgusting to say the least,they have no fan base and all they have going for them is the ground which aint bad at all, but thats it for them,if there is a 3rd tier i can see them dropping to it unless Jim Rhatigan gets his finger out of his behind and stops treating the club like his own personal play thing,cos the club is going NO-WHERE !
Shame cos we like playing them in the cup or pre-season friendlies cos the banter is good between the fans !

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Originally Posted by Redzer

Whats the point of playing at all? I cant see any half decent crowds bothering to show.

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You may be surprised then. Dundalk have brought 400 fans to the last several away games. Home crowds in excess of 2500 several times towards the latter end of the season too. Talking to people last night after the mudbath in Donegal, I reckon we will have something similar on Saturday night in the RSC. Whatever about getting or not getting into the superduperleague all Dundalk can do is go and win the 2 legs. Anything else is out of their hands at this stage. I do find it interesting that Waterford are guaranteed top flight football next season.

The reason why were in the premiere division next year is that we meet all the criteria laid down by the IAG with regards to tax, infrastructure, future developement,fan base, the last 5 years performances since we came up in 2003 and our marketability, believe it or not we had sponsors for all our players for last year and already there is more businesses now this year for next season looking to sponsor games and players so the lads running the club are doing a fantastic job in promoting the club and that all went towards our CV u could say when we met the IAG.
Where as and i aint being smart what have Dundalk donoe in the last 5 years to promote themselves for the premiere division though i do know ye are doing a great job on the ground up there but its more than that that is needed?

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Originally Posted by Mental Man

the toilet facilities are disgusting to say the least,they have no fan base and all they have going for them is the ground which aint bad at all, but thats it for them,if there is a 3rd tier i can see them dropping to it Shame cos we like playing them in the cup or pre-season friendlies cos the banter is good between the fans !

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Amm......:confused:

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Schumi

There was supposed to be a 12 team premier in Year 1 of the Uberleague with 3 down and 1 up at the end of 2007 as far as I can recall and a 10 team Premier in 2008 and onwards from that. 4 times playing the same team in the League, does not work, it bored me rigid in 2003!

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I thought I heard somewhere that it would be 2 up 2 down in the first year of the Superduperleague, and that we'd lose one team in each of the next two seasons, ending up with 10 in 2010.
Mind you, I thought I read somewhere too that the teams this season would be ranked according to where they finished, but somehow a rather pointless play-off seems to have hove into view a few months ago, so apparently I didn't.
Agree about the 4 times playing each other thingy, just dull.

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Originally Posted by Partizan

Jim O'Neill, a spokesperson for Waterford United was just on WLR FM and stated categorically that according to the Management Committee, the Club scored highly in finance, marketability and infrastructure and therefore will be playing in the new Premier Division next season.

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That sounds pretty dodgy. As far as I know UCD's committee haven't received such forward information. So either Waterford are lying (which I don't think) or something is up.

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

That sounds pretty dodgy. As far as I know UCD's committee haven't received such forward information. So either Waterford are lying (which I don't think) or something is up.

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Exactly, regardless of whether Waterford actually did do well, or are well run in terms of their sponsorship, if one club above all the others has been told their scores from the IAG process and that they will definately be in the Premier its a scandal. Not only is it making a mockery of the process, but they also know several weeks before their competitors (such as Galway, Dundalk or Bray) where they'll be playing next year and can better plan accordingly.

On paper the IAG process looks reasonably fair and the criteria and balanced, but all this talk of clubs having been told this or garaunteed that are very worrying and make it look like the fancy presentations in the Airport Great Southern were a front to the usual shady handshakes and "you scratch my back and I'll scratch your's" shenannigans the FAI are sadly renowned for over the years.

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On paper the IAG process looks reasonably fair and the criteria and balanced

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That may be so, but people have forgetten to ask the question "Why does this process even exist?". There's no logical reason why we have to suddenly decide to reshuffle the clubs on the basis of all this criteria because the FAI and the eL have merged. It makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by stann

Mind you, I thought I read somewhere too that the teams this season would be ranked according to where they finished, but somehow a rather pointless play-off seems to have hove into view a few months ago, so apparently I didn't.

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The playoff didn't hove into view. It happens every year and it was said in the new proposals that it would be taking place as usual.

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Originally Posted by Mr_T

On paper the IAG process looks reasonably fair and the criteria and balanced, but all this talk of clubs having been told this or garaunteed that are very worrying and make it look like the fancy presentations in the Airport Great Southern were a front to the usual shady handshakes and "you scratch my back and I'll scratch your's" shenannigans the FAI are sadly renowned for over the years.

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This has happened already this year, regarding voting for the proposals.

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

That may be so, but people have forgetten to ask the question "Why does this process even exist?". There's no logical reason why we have to suddenly decide to reshuffle the clubs on the basis of all this criteria because the FAI and the eL have merged. It makes no sense.

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I don't disagree. But as I've said before, if you set aside your views on the reasons for the process, I saw not a lot wrong with the assessment criteria. Under those criteria as stated above, UCD should have little to worry about. However if theres a series of strange, unexplained surprises in the final outcome.........??

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

This has happened already this year, regarding voting for the proposals.

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That was more a case voting at gunpoint rather than for favours or political gain.

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Originally Posted by Mr_T

That was more a case voting at gunpoint rather than for favours or political gain.

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I don't want to go into too much detail but I believe that certain clubs were told to vote yes or they wouldn't get such and such a thing that they would have been fully entitled, and would have gotten, any other year.

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

The playoff didn't hove into view. It happens every year and it was said in the new proposals that it would be taking place as usual.

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I know there's a play-off every year, thanks for that, but as regards this season's proposals I didn't see that said. As you're being so snippy about it perhaps you can enlighten me, then, as to why it would be deemed necessary to have a play-off if the 2nd last placed team in the Premier was going to be ranked 13th and the 2nd placed in the First ranked 12th anyway? Even the FAI are not that stupid, surely? What does it achieve? And what have Dundalk to gain? They can only slip a place or stay still at best, Waterford can only improve or stay still at worst.