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18/01/2006, 11:53 AM
wws

People miss the point - its not about capping players for the sake of it. There are NO players here playing in a consistent professional environment - none fullfill these criteria

a) are fully professional
b) train with full professionals
c) coached by full professionals
d) play exclusively against other full professionals

the point is that there is raw talent there - there is potentially great/international players - and some like ex saint pats players like Doyle will go on and show that clearly in time.

the goal should be that the national coach is fully aware of the talent and potential talent emerging - it mainly takes a move to a full time environment described above (mainly england in our case) but if the talent is formed here (as it is) than its a national bosses job to know and monitor it.

Capping el players is a red herring and is irrelevant.
18/01/2006, 2:49 PM
Rory H

o flynn had a goose end to season last year,why not give him the chance to prove it....we have 2 games,they squads should differ a lot,everyone whos name is being mentioned should get a chance to prove why it is being eh mentioned if that makes sense which i know it doesnt.....cheese
18/01/2006, 2:51 PM
Speranza

Farren finished second top scorer behind Byrne....why not him? Because he doesn't need a friendly to show what everyone knows, he isn't good enough to be playing international football (at this stage anyway)
18/01/2006, 2:55 PM
Rory H

someone has to mention it

would "ireland b" be a goose idea?
18/01/2006, 3:39 PM
higgins

No Ireland B would not be a good idea.

I think Jason Byrne deserves a chance when you look at what he has done over the past few seasons. I dont know if he would be good enough or not but then neither Mick Kerr or Stan could know for sure either. He does deserve 90mins.

Only other Shels player I would say has a chance is Heary, should have been n many squads over the past few seasons especially when Kerr and Mick had bad injury problems at full back on more then one occasion.

Weso I dont think is good enough for Ireland just yet.
18/01/2006, 3:51 PM
Jerry The Saint

Quote:

Originally Posted by wild rover

his 1st squad will be picked around feb 20th,2 weeks before the season starts and we wont pick anyone in pre-season probably...so its at a bit of a disadvantage already

This is a good point and indicates that summer soccer can be a hindrance to eircom League players getting selected for Ireland.
18/01/2006, 4:20 PM
pete

John O'Flynn is not good enough on current form. Never fully recovered from injury 2 years ago.

Farren needs to prove himself in 2006 especially in Europe.

I remain unconvinced about Bryne as he doesn't score often enough in big games for me but is most consistent goal score in the league & as good as ny of the forwards such as Macken, Lee etc... down the list.

Danny Murphy is also good enough for left back as he is as good as Harte or Maybury.

Joe Gamble might be worth a go in midfield but a lot of competition in that position.
18/01/2006, 6:32 PM
Red4Eva

No way would i have o'flynn near the team. haven't seen enough of roy o'donovan but maybe he would deserve a chance
18/01/2006, 7:26 PM
superfrank

Quote:

Originally Posted by gustavo

so the only proof our league can give that its players are good enough is if they go to the UK?

I'm not implying that. I mean players who can do well over here and go to another country and do better then current Irish internationals, i.e. Doyler at Reading has done much better then Lee (remember him?).
18/01/2006, 7:32 PM
dcfcsteve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

This is a good point and indicates that summer soccer can be a hindrance to eircom League players getting selected for Ireland.

Though to be fair - pursuing the lofty ambition of EL players making meaningful appearances in the Irish international squad is way down our league's order of need/priorities.
20/01/2006, 9:58 AM
Roverstillidie

Quote:

Originally Posted by wws

People miss the point - its not about capping players for the sake of it. There are NO players here playing in a consistent professional environment - none fullfill these criteria

a) are fully professional
b) train with full professionals
c) coached by full professionals
d) play exclusively against other full professionals

the point is that there is raw talent there - there is potentially great/international players - and some like ex saint pats players like Doyle will go on and show that clearly in time.

the goal should be that the national coach is fully aware of the talent and potential talent emerging - it mainly takes a move to a full time environment described above (mainly england in our case) but if the talent is formed here (as it is) than its a national bosses job to know and monitor it.

Capping el players is a red herring and is irrelevant.

so EL players play for a hug at the end of the week?

what tripe. the EL has moved greatly forward in terms of professionalism, and there are very few part time players in the premier division at the moment. european results back this up.

we arent talking about capping EL players as a token, thats the point. the doyle transfer, and the subsequent intense scouting by english clubs of the EL proves that there are some gems of players here that are comparativley cheap by englands standards. why was doyle not good enough for kerr at cork, but immediatly good enough at reading? and he isnt the first to get an instant call up after a move overseas.

that has to be the most patronising post i have read in a while.
20/01/2006, 10:06 AM
ColinR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

why was doyle not good enough for kerr at cork, but immediatly good enough at reading? and he isnt the first to get an instant call up after a move overseas.

people here are quick to forget, doyle only got the call up (at the time) because of injuries and suspensions to forward that were regurlarly in the squad - he got nowhere near actually coming on to the pitch in the two games in the squad.

he could easily have been called up anyway, as he was next in line (based on u-21s).

he will be in the squad now as he has proved he is capable of playing well regurlarly against a higher quality opposition - something no eL can ever do, due to the relative standard of our league. no amount of delusion on this site will change that.

and anyway wws's post was not patronising - it was spot on
20/01/2006, 10:35 AM
bigmac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

what tripe. the EL has moved greatly forward in terms of professionalism, and there are very few part time players in the premier division at the moment. european results back this up.

Don't know what league you're watching but outside Cork, Shels and Drogs, most other teams have mainly part time players. Even someone like Clive Delaney, a central player in the team that came 2nd in the league, won't be playing with them next year because he can't get a job in Derry. It's one for the 400 club as well, how many of the Rovers players last season were full time?
I would have thought myself that part time was the norm, with fulltime players being the exception. Anyone else know what the split is like in their team?
20/01/2006, 12:59 PM
Roverstillidie

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigmac

Don't know what league you're watching but outside Cork, Shels and Drogs, most other teams have mainly part time players. Even someone like Clive Delaney, a central player in the team that came 2nd in the league, won't be playing with them next year because he can't get a job in Derry. It's one for the 400 club as well, how many of the Rovers players last season were full time?
I would have thought myself that part time was the norm, with fulltime players being the exception. Anyone else know what the split is like in their team?

cork, derry, boyezzzz, shels, drogs and rovers were all full time.
only keith doyle was part time at rovers at the start of the season, i think sherro and beach were after the sell off.
delaney was an unusual situation, and is now gone.
sligo are going to be full time this season.
i would have thought the majority of all prem players will be full time.
20/01/2006, 1:01 PM
Shelsman

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColinR

he will be in the squad now as he has proved he is capable of playing well regurlarly against a higher quality opposition - something no eL can ever do, due to the relative standard of our league. no amount of delusion on this site will change that.

Maybe an all Ireland league might put paid to that.............
20/01/2006, 1:02 PM
Shelsman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

This is a good point and indicates that summer soccer can be a hindrance to eircom League players getting selected for Ireland.

Good point but I would sooner eL teams got good results in Europe every year than a player get the odd cap here or there in a friendly.......
20/01/2006, 3:55 PM
bigmac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

cork, derry, boyezzzz, shels, drogs and rovers were all full time.
only keith doyle was part time at rovers at the start of the season, i think sherro and beach were after the sell off.
delaney was an unusual situation, and is now gone.
sligo are going to be full time this season.
i would have thought the majority of all prem players will be full time.

Well there were few (if any) full timers in Waterford last season, and there'll be less this season. How could Rovers justify paying full-time wages all season, or did the wages drop after the takeover? from the teams you've mentioned there, I'd say it'd be around 50 50 this season, maybe a few more full timers than not.
20/01/2006, 4:04 PM
NY Hoop

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigmac

How could Rovers justify paying full-time wages all season, or did the wages drop after the takeover? from the teams you've mentioned there, I'd say it'd be around 50 50 this season, maybe a few more full timers than not.

We couldnt! 30k a week for a full time squad sanctioned by that incompetent maguire. Wages dropped significantly when we took over.

KOH
20/01/2006, 9:07 PM
Dazzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigmac

Even someone like Clive Delaney, a central player in the team that came 2nd in the league, won't be playing with them next year because he can't get a job in Derry.

Last i heard he was moving to Derry this month after he signed a contract last month!

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