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Care to back that up with non-partisan evidence or are you just going to fire it in there and have us all "believe" it?Quote:
Originally Posted by glentoranfan
Seriously, and I'm talking to everyone here, I'm not going to ban political debate across the board on Foot.ie, but I'm not putting up with that level of debate either. Either back up your points or don't make them. If people don't follow this simple rule, I will ban political debate across the board. I think that's pretty fair.
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Sure, didn't other world & national leaders such as Clinton, Reynolds, Ahern, Major, Blair et al take 'tea' with bigger murdering bast ards like Adams & McGuinness??Quote:
Originally Posted by Cop on
We too, have provided a haven for mass murderers like Adams and McGuinness by not prosecuting them and letting them have the freedom of the country.
McCartneys accused of hypocrisy over Thatcher snub
04/11/2005 - 10:47:56
A former British official has accused the sisters of murdered Belfast man Robert McCartney of hypocrisy over their decision to snub an awards ceremony in London.
Two of the 33-year-old sisters refused to attend the ceremony yesterday after learning that they would be sharing the stage with former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.
They said Mrs Thatcher had inflicted injustices on their community in the North and they would not share the platform with her.
The McCartneys were due to receive an award because of their campaign for justice for their brother, who was beaten to death in Belfast last January, allegedly by senior IRA members.
Speaking about yesterday's snub, Bernard Ingham, Mrs Thatcher’s former press chief, accused the sisters of double standards in relation to their campaign.
"I think it is very interesting that the McCartney sisters protested at IRA thugs killing their brother," he said.
"Where were the protests when IRA thugs were killing thousands of people and were trying to blow up Mrs Thatcher? I think it is monumental hypocrisy."
It's bollóx joe - saying because you don't like the provo's doesn't mean you have to like thatcher or vica versa. If I hate Rovers, doesn't mean I automatically love Bohs.
Way to back up your arguement with Ingram getting on his high horse. Who's next Norman Tebitt? :rolleyes:
Perhaps I should start quoting my sources. The two main posts are news reels lifted from Breaking news.ie. My opinions on the matter are simply to state that I believe it is cant and rather hypocritical of these women to suddenly take a very pro-republican, pro-IRA stance and opinion on simply sharing a stage with a retired politician, when they castigate republicanism and the IRA and demand justice from the British because of what happened their brother.
It smacks of publicity seeking...sligoman is right.I don't for one moment condone what happened their brother, and sympathise with them for their loss, but they have been the ones to make very public demands of his killers, and they are the ones who have kept this in the limelight, by branding the IRA 'evil scum' amongst other things. Now, they're taking the moral high ground with the Brits as well over having to share a stage with a retired politician?? Just who do these women think they are? If they want to get active politically, let them join a party and do it through proper channels.
Next they will want their own weekly TV show..."How to grieve publicly and maximise its benefits":mad:
You're automatically assuming that "my enemies enemy is my friend". It doesn't work that way (unless your the USA). I've no time for the Provo's or Thatcher, and fail to see the hypocrisy in the McCartney sisters having no time for them either. Thatcher isn't just another retired politician, and it's totally wrong to say that to not share a stage with Thatcher is to support the RA is ridiculous imo.
Actually it smacks of a campaign by Republicans and the Brits to discredit them - they're nothing but a nuisance to both getting in the way of the plaudits for them both... I mean, have the McCartney's ever made a secret of the fact that they used to vote Sinn Fein?
Are you going for a job in the Sinn Fein spin machine?Quote:
Next they will want their own weekly TV show..."How to grieve publicly and maximise its benefits"
With comments likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Macy
in previous threads, I can hardly apply for such a position ,now can I??;)Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
With repsect, I have to say you are talking garbage. These people murdered and persecuted more of their own people than all loyalists groups put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speranza
There is a man that my Granda knew who he worked with in Short and Harlands. The IRA forced him to take a bomb in his car, drive it into the police station and then set it off. If he did not, he and his mother who he lived with, would be killed.
Protecting their own communities! ahahahahahahah. Rubbish.
Before, I get accused of being some bigot here, I have something else to add. The loyalists are as much hypoctites. They claimed to be for "God and Ulster" but when did God teach the following:
Drugs
Extortion
Prositution
Money Laundering
Blackmail
Murder
Robbery
Gun trafficing etc etc
The answer - never. Fighting for Ulster and "their own" communities, yeah, right. Burning RUC officers from their homes (who they would have regarded mainly as their British Police Force) Then attacking the British Crown's Army. Oh yes, and then forcing those in their areas to pay money to them, and getting young men addicted to drugs so they would have to be loyal to them. Does not computer. No godliness, No protection of their communities. All one big smoke screen for crime.
It was in a number of English Papers yes. Now, I am not saying Thatcher was great, I am saying that to say nobody liked her, or still does is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Look the catholics in the north would be worse off if the IRA wer never in existence, the catholics in belfast wer crying out for them to protect them and thats when the Provos wer formed. Remember you reap what you sow and thats what happened after Unionist state sponsored terrosrism against a minority, remember the B specials wer recruited straight out of the ranks of the UVF. Because they wore a uniform does that make them right, does that not mean they're not terrorists, they still targeted civilians.Quote:
Originally Posted by glentoranfan
[QUOTE=joeSoap]Sure, didn't other world & national leaders such as Clinton, Reynolds, Ahern, Major, Blair et al take 'tea' with bigger murdering bast ards like Adams & McGuinness??
By what terms are you labelling Adams & McGuinness bigger murdering bast ards than Pinochet, I believe around 3 million disappeared or were murdered under Pinochet's reign with the support of the American & British regimes. Hardly comparable to the North.
Apologies Docboy, for misrepresenting the leadership of Sinn Fein, maybe they only killed a few thousand. However, if they had a population the size of that Pinochet had to work with, who knows...
How saintly was Robert McCartney ?
In reference to Thatcher, well just look at the Belgrano, "Gothca" as the Sun so eliquently put it.
Try telling that to the friends and family of Jean McConville and the other hundreds of Roman Catholic families that the IRA tortured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
Yeah, you're right. Croppy lie down and live with a sectarian gerrymandered statelet. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by glentoranfan
KOH
So that innocent woman's killing, and many others like her's is fine then?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Killing "your own" people is hardly protecting them, nor is extorting them, or blackmailing them.
If you believe that, then you need some help.
The exact same thing happened in Derry. The nationalist man worked in the Barracks and again was forced to drive with the bomb and blow it up. Actions like that were disgusting but the original rise of the I.R.A whether you agree or not came from internment and Bloody Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by glentoranfan
The republican movement obviously contained some bad apples who were not ideological nationalists but thugs with an excuse under the cover of the troubles for enacting their hell on everyone.
Ahhh the 'B' word. Always wheeled out for anyone that supports the integration of the six counties into an all-Ireland state. And as for McCartney being a Provo where's the evidence? I mean I've got a book at home that puts 'respectable' politicians such as David Trimble and Nelson McCausland (well we'll forget about McCausland) as the bankrollers of Billy Wright and his gang in the nineties and that this is why Wright ended up wasted in such a suspicious manner. 'The Committee' proves quite persuading but its accusations would be laughed off on OWC. I'm sure it's not beyond your comprehension that some people believe in Irish re-unification, with or without violence, without supporting drug dealing and kangaroo community courts, just as you'd agree not every unionist is a bigoted religious evangelist space cadet with a doctorate from a dodgy university or a tatooed, wetbedding, psychopathic drug peddlar. (Oh and by the way, supporting violence within nationalist/republican politics reflects the very widespread support for it amongst 'respectable' unionists from 1912 to the present day).Quote:
Originally Posted by glentoranfan
Oh so now the 26 counties is a 'terrorist state' for standing up for its independence? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by glentoranfan
I can't see how killing civillians on the other side is any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by glentoranfan
I think the number was considerably smaller (30 to 300K) but it must be remembered that Chile's current population is 15m. Anyway, the fat lady has yet to sing for Pinochite. He's recently been stripped of immunity to prosecution by the Santiago government. If he get's to court, half the room will no doubt be taken up by his breathing equipment, but at least getting him there is something. A far worse leader is Milosevic who doesn't attract the same hysteria amongst the Left as Thatcher's toy boy, mainly due to him being a victim and not a beneficiary of the Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Docboy
Agreed. The cava's going to flow in my crib when the reaper collects that old c*nt.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
:D Ha hah!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Ehh, no. A word used to desribe criminal, terrorist scum, and by that I don't mean just the IRA.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
I mentioned the IRA, that has nothing to do with the Irish Republic Government or State.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Indeed had you read the thread you will have seen I condemed all violence from whoever. In fact, for your benefit, I will repeat myself,Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
"Before, I get accused of being some bigot here, I have something else to add. The loyalists are as much hypoctites. They claimed to be for "God and Ulster" but when did God teach the following:
Drugs
Extortion
Prositution
Money Laundering
Blackmail
Murder
Robbery
Gun trafficing etc etc
The answer - never. Fighting for Ulster and "their own" communities, yeah, right. Burning RUC officers from their homes (who they would have regarded mainly as their British Police Force) Then attacking the British Crown's Army. Oh yes, and then forcing those in their areas to pay money to them, and getting young men addicted to drugs so they would have to be loyal to them. Does not computer. No godliness, No protection of their communities. All one big smoke screen for crime."
Basically Lopez, with repsect, I suggest you come of your high horse and read what people say on here properly before jumping to conclusions.
I also find it startling that so many on here condon the actions of a terrorist group who have killed thousands of people, wounded many more, and not to mention the trauma caused to those people's families and friends.
But I suppose, 90% wasn't happening on your back door, so I have to forgive you for your ignorance.
When you hear what most Roman Catholic people in the North have to say about the IRA, I think you all will get a shock. Like I say, they persecuted more of their own people than all, yes, the loyalist scum put together. As I also said, loyalists were no better.
Forgive any misinterpretation but your post seems to be suggesting that you should not have an opinion on anything that doesn't happen outside your immediate area or that by not coming from an area means that you can have no definitative knowlege of a situation. This pretty much proscribes anyone from having an opinion on anything going on from beyond a fifty mile radius, hardly something that encourages people to broaden their horizons. ('Iraq?, well I'd like to comment but I've never been further east then Bilaricky')Quote:
Originally Posted by glentoranfan
Of course Lopez, people in the south, some people in Britain know that their are some RC's that hate the IRA with a passion and protestants that revile loyalists. Being from outside a particular area does not mean that you have to remain ignorant.