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I agree, if i had never had gone to a match and didnt know the situation i
think i would be put off going to a match.
There is NO room for violence what so ever. There was a bottle thrown onto the pitch at the last city game. Idiots who do that should be told to stop - if not goi the stewards or the guards. I wouldnt think twice about doing it.
compared to other countries in europe we have some of the best behaved fans anywhere
Apparently the Herald has pulled the story from its later editions. No sign of it at all...
Didn't notice this bit before but of course the Herald don't mention that the pictures are of the guard who beat up one of the Rovers fans.Quote:
in a sinister development hooligans have downloaded pictures of gardai and stewards who were on duty at dalymount asking if anyone knows who they are.
On that, no mention of all the papers (including the Herald) and the TV breaking this "law" when the Guards decided to help the May Day protestors off Dame Street...
that bit about down loading photos of gardai etc sounds like a wind up to me.
some one was bored today and decided to stir it up.
Lads for us non Dubs who can't get the Herald is there an address to write to so we can express our anger at this article
That's a shocking article altogether.
We don't get the Evening Herald up here, is it normally consider as an anti-eL paper?
Did the Herald present any real evidence to back up these claims? If not, surely SFRC Ultras would have a case against them?
Lads, while the article is way over the top ..... you all forget ...... this is what the media do. They do it with every story .... sometimes it is in your favour but we can all say that media add arms and legs, they glorify and vilify, and some stories are just plain made up, pulled out of the sky pieces of crap. There are no suprises there.
Rovers and Bohs have elements .... they'd have youy believe they eat their first born and dance with the devil in the pale moon light but that is not true either .... each club has about 50 or so idiots with huge Peter Pan/Walter Mitty type egos who think they are in a film or something, fierce notions about themselves altogether.
They have been like this for ages ..... everyone has complained about it for ages ...... Both clubs gave excuses for ages ...... Both clubs have done what appears to Joe public, diddley squat to resolve the problem, for ages .... The league know all about this for ages ....
It is going on for what seems like an age !!
It has caught up with them and this is directly related to the inaction of the clubs and the league
The bigger issue here is .....
While Bohs and Rovers have the problem .... and have been prepared financially and otherwise for it. All the other clubs in the league have to take it on the chin. Like it or not every club with be effected by this bad press and will have to suffer the consequences of it. Rovers and Bohs wont fork out or resolve the problem.
It is up to the other clubs and the league to lobby the clubs to resolve it once and for all.
And fans every where need to ignore the Bohs/Rovers fans that say ... "this is over reaction", "It'll all blow over like many times before", "Slow news day is all", "Typical fans of other clubs, think the league could ever be progressive and improve", "Dont they know they need us both to drag us down into the mire for the thousand time again", and other statements like that.
It is because of inaction that this will drag on and on and on and on and on .....
It will drag on as long as no one has to take responsibility for it.
It will drag on for as long as all clubs tolerate it and watch the work that has been done by other clubs go down the drain.
The thing that gets me is the people that allow it/ support it/part take in it/ turn a blind eye to it are the very ones that tell us all to be quite and how dare we question it or make an issue of it.
Where do they get off ....... or more to the point ...... where do they actually think they are, and do they think that the league can support this/allow this to happen all the time and just lay down and say nothing.
Did anyone read this on their homepage.It has absolutely nothing to do with the bohs-rovers game.Its about the season as a whole and how everything is going against them.The hearld totally twisted their wordsQuote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
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Originally Posted by Bosco
Thats what they do ....... Rovers have left themselves wide open for it and the expect it so less about them. Are they going to pick up the pieces for the damage this does to our league.
Are they continue their "lift up the carpet quick lads, we need to bury our heads in all the crap that is there already" policy
well side a face, the carpet must be 16 feet off the ground by now, but then again would you expect anything less from the irish....the just deny anything is wrong attitiude
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And where would you expect them to be walking towards when they're playing Bohs?Quote:
Originally Posted by max power
my point is they were walking like a pack of wolves ready for a fight, more there than at any rovers home game in richmond
How can Bohs and Rovers do anything about if the Guards aren't willing to arrest people for getting involved in these incidents? Bohs have banned people for getting convictions, but how many arrests were made on Friday, let alone how many convictions will be got?
It's not the clubs job to police the streets, that's the guards, and for there to be continually trouble at Doyles Corner says it all. They should clear the area before Rovers come through and have enough manpower there to seperate the two sides.
Of course all the Rovers fans would be arriving together - they were probably drinking in the same pub in Town. I'm sure at 7.40 there was a big pack of Town fans leaving fagans heading to Tolka... Walking down the street in a group isn't a crime is it? Would you be happy getting lifted walking down mainstreet with 15 mates, as you're obviously looking for trouble being in such a big group?
Bottom line for me is - proper policing of these matches, there would be no trouble.
Sounds like Macy got himself a parking ticket once and has it in for the Gardai since :rolleyes:
Or maybe he actually thinks that it is OK to go and cause a public nuisance, and have someone else deal with the problem. It is anti-social behaviour .... that generally means that the general public DONT want it happening. It is irresponsible and it is a big social issue ..... to condone/justify/turn a blind eye on it is just as bad as it enables the problem to continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
It is very easy to make light of it lads ..... but the fact is, the league has enough problems without this one on top of it. It is doing untold damage to the league and wont be resolved easily. People will stay away for the next ten years and the stigma will be harder to remove .... and just because of a few fools who think this is all cool and great to be involved in.
They are destoring our league and guys like Macy think is is OK !! :eek: :mad: ..... Cop yourself on, i'd expect more from ya.
so i'm not the only one with that view then.......
I never said I thought it was alright, but how can the clubs do anything about it if the police won't? You, me and practically any supporter of the eL could've told the Guards that the main flashpoint was Doyles Corner. Yet still there was sod all guards there (all the riot squad were actually in the ground) for when it kicked off, let alone guards there to clear bohs out of the area before Rovers got there.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Once it did kick off how many were actually arrested? I've heard 4, but that hasn't been confirmed. 4 out of the 80 that was supposedly involved. Hopefully these 4 will be banned, but why only 4 arrested?
My point remains, if it had been properly policed there would've been no trouble.
Why is a football match any different from any city/town centre in the country any evening of the week. There shouldn't be fights outside pubs on a Saturday night, and we (well I certainly do) expect there to be a police presence on places like Temple Bar/ Dame Street/ O'Connell Street to prevent it. I expect the same at high profile football matches, and particularly at known flash points at those matches.
Yes, ultimately the trouble is caused by the numpties on both sides, but it would be so easy to prevent it getting to that point that I don't see how you can't see ineffectual policing paid a major part.
No one was arrested for the "incident" at Doyles CornerQuote:
Originally Posted by Macy