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i think there was more to it than that. Hansonn appeared to demand the ball from the Arsenal GK and then immediately placed it for porto to take the free kick with the GK well out of a position as a result of having to hand the ball to the refQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Sure, everything is done just to spite us. Blatter threw some dynamite into that volcano just to mess with our airspace too.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I thought he had a good game until the handball, especially when not giving a penalty to Anelka a few minutes earlier. One mistake (if you can call it that given he couldn't see it), however significant, doesn't mean his career should be over in my opinion, and if he's on a panel to go to the world cup, he shouldn't be kept at home to placate a country who won't be there.
I thought he is awful through the match, everytime Henry fell, it was a foul, everytime Doyle jumped and got the ball, it was a free-out, happened all night long, also added an extra 1 1/2 mins at the end of the game.
Watched a different game to me soQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
So, in your job, you're in charge of fire safety and the factory goes up in smoke and it's no fault of yours because your assistant didn't notice a smoke detector isn't working, you get promoted and now look after fire protection in the main office. Please....there would have to be some ulterior reason other than "well Osarusan did a good job prior to that. Pity about the factory though".Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Not really a fair comparison. In your analogy, the managers probably gave a shít about the factory.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
The only ulterior motive here is the one you want to read into the selection of Hansson as a World Cup referee.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
If you want to believe that those who select referees for the World Cup selected Hansson on the basis that it would be a gesture of " two fingers" to the Irish, then go ahead. I think it's ludicrous.
If they were only bringing refs to the World Cup who hadn't made an error in a game previously it would be a very small list
An error? understated to the extreme.
World referee.com
"abysmal would be a generous description of Hansson's performance"
"It is interesting to compare Martin Hansson and Claus Bo Larsen. While UEFA often entrust Larsen with high profile matches between big clubs, the biggest game they have given Hansson in 8 years on the list is a UEFA cup 1/4 final. Larsen rarely makes a mistake, is consistent, calm and assured. Hansson seems to make dodgy decisions with alarming frequency, look back at the previous match reports to see. And yet which of the two is on the list for the World Cup, and which took charge of the Confederations Cup final this year? FIFA must have seen something in Hansson that neither I, nor UEFA apparently, have.
Martin Hansson
Wow, what a piece of selective quoting there geysir.
The quote about his abysmal performance is in realtion to his positioning for the goal.
Here it is in full.
Here's the comments on his overall performance:Quote:
Handball
Of course Henry has not covered himself in glory, and you can blame him for cheating if you want. However, the purpose of the referee is to detect infringements of the laws and to punish offences appropriately, and so Martin Hansson must accept full responsibility for this disgracefully unfair goal. He was in a very poor position for the whole incident, and it is hardly surprising that he did not see it. A referee at this level should be able to read the game well enough to get to a position from where he can see any key incidents, and in this regard abysmal would be a generous description of Hansson's performance.
But that quote doesn't quite fit the picture a lot of people want to portray, does it? Anyhow, I would take anything on that site with a large pinch of salt. Regarding the comment on his positioning, no referee can ever be in a position to see everything.Quote:
Good performance until then
I was quite surprised by how well Hansson performed for most of the match, in particular not being fooled by Anelka's dive in an attempt to win a penalty. I was almost willing to accept I was wrong, and that actually he did merit this appointment. But then, true to form, he made a serious mistake.
And furthermore, my point earlier in the thread isn't about Hansson as a referee, my point is that I find nonsensical the idea that he has been selected for the World Cup (where any error will reflect badly on those who selected him) just to rub Ireland's noses in it.
The Irish part is incidental. It's Blatter showing he is the boss and he doesn't care what anyone thinks. The "Hansson team" should not be going to the World Cup having made a terrible error which got worldwide coverage. In my opinion it is ludicrous to think that there isn't a posturing signal in this selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Incidental to whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Not you obviously, as you see Hansson's selection as a gesture of "two fingers for us [Ireland]".
Maybe, just maybe, those that selected him decided that this one incident shouldn't be a guillotine on his career. I think it's more likely than Blatter risking the integrity of decision-making during Hansson's World Cup game(s) just to show who's boss.
So, just to clarify.
Blatter is definitely to blame for the volcano and Hansson burns down factories in his spare time, right?
"Hmm Bop" indeed.
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Originally Posted by osarusan
I selected the nutshell version. The art is in capturing the essence of an opinion and I succeeded succinctly.
Yes I know that, why do you think I picked it? looks like you missed the plot :rolleyes:Quote:
The quote about his abysmal performance is in realtion to his positioning for the goal.
I have serious doubts about your positioning and observation in this debate. I was replying to the description of "error" used in the previous post to describe Hansson's mistake.
I was not replying to your post and your point is not germane to my post.Quote:
And furthermore, my point earlier in the thread isn't about Hansson as a referee, my point is that I find nonsensical the idea that he has been selected for the World Cup (where any error will reflect badly on those who selected him) just to rub Ireland's noses in it.
I never mentioned conspiracy.
Look before you leap:)
What word would you use to describe it? I see no better word than error, what we'd choose differently are the adjectives to go before it.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Fair point on the last part of the post, that was (or should have been) directed at OwlsFan, as you haven't implied any conspiracy.
EDIT: Anyhow, I've made my point on what I think about the conspiracy involved in Hansson's selection for the world cup, so I'll bow out. I hope he does well there.
The absence of an adjective was the glaring omission..Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
OwlsFan did not imply conspiracy. His opinion is an interpretation of an action, his opinion does not imply a conspiracy.Quote:
Fair point on the last part of the post, that was (or should have been) directed at OwlsFan, as you haven't implied any conspiracy.
I hope that France get to the Final and Hansson is selected to referee it.
That'd send the tinfoil hat wearers all over Ireland into meltdown
Incidental, in so far as it could be Montenegro, Latvia, Denmark, Northern Ireland, Wales, France - opps, no not France, England, no opps no England.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Conspiracy requires more than two people coming up with a scheme. No, this is just Blatter. If the decision had been the other way round and France were the victims of an outrageous goal by Ireland missed by both the referee and linesman, do you think the latter two Officials would be going to the World Cup? I know you can't answer that but I believe they most definitely would not.
Blatter is in charge. He did not like the fuss we made about the whole matter and which called in to question his judgement about video technology etc etc. His answer, I am sticking by my guns and the same Officials are off to the World Cup and all is well in FIFA land. Ireland? Who are they again?
What blackhole did you crawl out of?Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
Start lighting your penny candles, get down on your knees, close your eyes and really really pray hard for your hope to come true.
You don't have to waste your energy promising you will be a good boy - no one believes that shíte anyway.
Much like the half baked "conspiracies" of "OMG FIFA are out to get poor little us" that some peddle round here and other places...Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir