Is it the Committee????

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Originally Posted by jamesd

I have read a great many things and proposals and I don't like any of them that suggests selling the ground to the FAI or indeed anyone else for that matter.

How mad are ye all??? What happens if the FAI fall on hard times and need cash. Whats to stop them selling the ground for development?? Believe me they can do it.

Many people here are willing to accept a proposal from a Chairman and Committee that has brought this club to its knees through BAD Business Management. The fact that they and their proposal is even been listened to defy's belief. Ye are all ready to blame the "other" side, but as far as I can see, it is the present leadership that has done wrong. Why can't people see that??? Why don't people want to see that???

Regarding Season tickets, did you ever consider that the reason that many more haven't purchased tickets is because of the constant aggression that is shown here and in other places...... Time for everyone to grow up,,,

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well come up with an alternative, ill listen to anything that is realistically possible to help the club, fact is we owe 3-4 people substantial money, and they would be well within there rights to bring this club to its knees to get it, this commitee is no better or worse than previous ones, its actually better i think in that there sorting it in that we will still have a ground to play in and in 10 years with proper financial management well own it again,

well have a lease on it, and we have first option to buy obviously, but if they sell it from under us they have to reimburse us, like shels had to be reimbursed for the sale of tokla (which they dont own) thay had a lease


season tickets are a way of supporting the club, it just so happens our comes with the added bonus of membership (which i think should be seperate as membership is way to cheap), you dont have to go to meeting if you dont want to, a season ticket like in any other club in the world is a sign that your a fan of a club, not that people paying at the gate are no less, its just a louder statement

Maybe the reason why some of us dont see what you see Jamesd, is because we are not looking down the same tunnel as you and the FOCR's.

I think its more than obvious to most of our middle of the road membership that this isnt about Barry Walsh or his committee but about having a club next week.

I noticed you Jamesd & the FOCR statement in this weeks GICN failed to acknowledge the new structures to garuntee financial accountability for the future running of the club. They were passed by the members last week and no doubt will be again next sunday.
Now what I would like to know, given what these new proposals are meant to achive, why the FOCR's arent lauding them. I would also like to know how they will vote on the proposals next week. Will you support them Jamesd?
If you do, you'll not only be at one with the general membership, but also with the Chairman and his committee. Lets hope that doesnt prevent you from doing the right thing! Will there be another boycott Jamesd?

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Originally Posted by Redshanks

Maybe the reason why some of us dont see what you see Jamesd, is because we are not looking down the same tunnel as you and the FOCR's.

I think its more than obvious to most of our middle of the road membership that this isnt about Barry Walsh or his committee but about having a club next week.

I noticed you Jamesd & the FOCR statement in this weeks GICN failed to acknowledge the new structures to garuntee financial accountability for the future running of the club. They were passed by the members last week and no doubt will be again next sunday.
Now what I would like to know, given what these new proposals are meant to achive, why the FOCR's arent lauding them. I would also like to know how they will vote on the proposals next week. Will you support them Jamesd?
If you do, you'll not only be at one with the general membership, but also with the Chairman and his committee. Lets hope that doesnt prevent you from doing the right thing! Will there be another boycott Jamesd?

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Red, can I state for the record that I have never been a part of any grouping and I would appreciate it if you don't associate me with any group. I am my own person and I will make up my own mind at all times.

I will gladly support any plan that is purely built on Business Structures. For instance, how do we propose to meet our week to week running costs and always be in a plus?? How do we generate more local support??

I raised the issue of membership. My reason for this is that there is so much in-house fighting that many people are turned off. Everyone is to blame for this and there are two sides whether people want to admit it or not. None of these sides are right or wrong.

In my opinion there has been so much bad blood and comments passed, people are now blinkered and don't realise that the majority of supporters actually are fully in support of their club. However it is pride that is preventing each side from agreeing with eachother.

I would suggest that some form of good will jesture has to be made to bring both sides together and my suggestion for this is a small committee from both sides chaired by a neutral party with a proper framework and timeframe for agreements to be made.

I believe that this can be done and I hope these thoughts are accepted as they are made, in goodwill to all concerned with the future of Cobh Ramblers FC.

I cant quiet figure out Jamesd if you are naive or just pulling our chains, because what you just wrote is a load of ********.
If you are lumped in with one particular group -its plainly because you speak the language of one group. Yes -you occassionly pull back and speak the language of common sense but then you let yourself down by dropping the mask drop again.
You use words like compromise but in an earlier post you would have no such thing but demanded the unconditional surrender of the management committee -which is it laddie?
From where I'm viewing things -yes there is two sides looking for control of the club -one side was democratrically given it by us the members -the other failed. I, just like you and others have called for the committee to step down when I felt they werent up to the mark, but in recent weeks i have to confess I have witnessed a sea-change in their actions. I now see them moving to install all the accountable financial procedures that some of us have fought for most of the year to bring about.

But more importantly -I and many more see one side desperately working to save the club -and the other desperately trying to destroy it.
I am fully behind Barry Walsh and his team on this one!

I'm afraid Jamesd, theres no middle ground on this one -you and everyone else will get only one last chance to save your club next sunday nomatter what way you try to dress it up or re-package it!

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Originally Posted by don ramo

we will still have a ground to play in and in 10 years with proper financial management well own it again,

well have a lease on it, and we have first option to buy obviously, but if they sell it from under us they have to reimburse us, like shels had to be reimbursed for the sale of tokla (which they dont own) thay had a lease

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Let's face it, even if the club was run as a very tight ship, it wouldn't make a heap of profit, and the idea of raising 350-500k in 10 years is pie in the sky stuff, especially as no single decent committee could last the 10 years and the place would be taken over by a shower of fools at some stage.

I reckon our best hopes with the FAI proposal are either:

(a) the FAI extend the pay back time, or

(b) the property market picks up, the ground is sold for big money, we get a new ground out on the edge of town and the FAI get their money back.

Personally, I think its our only option. I'm not hearing any better suggestions better from the dark side...

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Originally Posted by chimpster

Let's face it, even if the club was run as a very tight ship, it wouldn't make a heap of profit, and the idea of raising 350-500k in 10 years is pie in the sky stuff, especially as no single decent committee could last the 10 years and the place would be taken over by a shower of fools at some stage.

I reckon our best hopes with the FAI proposal are either:

(a) the FAI extend the pay back time, or

(b) the property market picks up, the ground is sold for big money, we get a new ground out on the edge of town and the FAI get their money back.

Personally, I think its our only option. I'm not hearing any better suggestions better from the dark side...

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our every other suburb in cork is getting massive regeneration plans, balincollig, midelton, mahon, why cant cobh council build a shopping, recretion and sporting centre, with ramblers being anchor tenants our even co owners of a 4000 seater ground, you could have 5 and 7 aside all weather surfaces, full equiped gym and swimming pool, proper retailers, proper food stores, sure no reason ourselfes and wonderers couldnt share the ground, we could sell coleman park, just leave the bar as a source of money for the club, and develop the rest of it, all sociable facilities in one area, this was drogs plan, but instead of us doing it ourselfes the council will be doin the job, with a donation from us for part ownership of the main football ground,


we can all think of some sort of plan, its getting it off the ground and having realistic aspirations thats the problem

Look lads its real simple if we dont accept thie proposal then the club is F***ed there is no alternative if there was we would have heard about it by now plain as.

The rent we will be paying is €1 so that is not an issue.
Wages for players and managment will be majorly reduced so we will save there.
The bar is profitable if left alone which it will be thanks to Dans new structures
Fundraising will have to be majorly intensified but i am sure there is plenty of people with ideas.
Things like the monthly draw can be started up again and together with other events that can be staged like concerts for example the money can be raised.

If we can prove that our club has come out the other side of this crisis then maybe the people of Cobh will invest in the club

All these things are possible and will be done BUT first we must vote yes on sunday to the proposal and the new structures so that things are done properly so that in five years time if some fool does get elected then they will not be able to undo all the hard work that will have been done up til then.

We all want our club to survive so lets all be heard next sunday and finally once and for all quieten the FOCR'S and the best way to do that is to vote YES and once and for all show them the door because there is no room at the inn for those trying to bring our club down

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Originally Posted by pcplod

look lads its real simple if we dont accept thie proposal then the club is f***ed there is no alternative if there was we would have heard about it by now plain as.

The rent we will be paying is €1 so that is not an issue.
Wages for players and managment will be majorly reduced so we will save there.
The bar is profitable if left alone which it will be thanks to dans new structures
fundraising will have to be majorly intensified but i am sure there is plenty of people with ideas.
Things like the monthly draw can be started up again and together with other events that can be staged like concerts for example the money can be raised.

If we can prove that our club has come out the other side of this crisis then maybe the people of cobh will invest in the club

all these things are possible and will be done but first we must vote yes on sunday to the proposal and the new structures so that things are done properly so that in five years time if some fool does get elected then they will not be able to undo all the hard work that will have been done up til then.

We all want our club to survive so lets all be heard next sunday and finally once and for all quieten the focr's and the best way to do that is to vote yes and once and for all show them the door because there is no room at the inn for those trying to bring our club down

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AAAAAAAAAAAA MENNNNNNNNNNNNNN..................(Amen)

[quote=Redshanks;1074868]I cant quiet figure out Jamesd if you are naive or just pulling our chains, because what you just wrote is a load of ********.
If you are lumped in with one particular group -its plainly because you speak the language of one group. Yes -you occassionly pull back and speak the language of common sense but then you let yourself down by dropping the mask drop again.quote]

You talk about chains and mask dropping. I'm afraid you have allowed your political motivations to cloud yourself once again. Ye couldn't win unity so you would rather divide instead. You are most certainly NO friend to Cobh or the Club.

When you use the word "YE" what are you implying, maybe the people who are working hard to make sure our club surrvives and are being stone walled by the self proclaimed FOCR'S who do not want unity only power.

You say that you want our club to survuve well start acting like it and either get off the fence and vote one way or the other or stop using that big spoon of yours to stir sh*t. People are genuinely trying to do good here

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Originally Posted by pcplod

Look lads its real simple if we dont accept thie proposal then the club is F***ed there is no alternative if there was we would have heard about it by now plain as.

The rent we will be paying is €1 so that is not an issue.
Wages for players and managment will be majorly reduced so we will save there.
The bar is profitable if left alone which it will be thanks to Dans new structures
Fundraising will have to be majorly intensified but i am sure there is plenty of people with ideas.
Things like the monthly draw can be started up again and together with other events that can be staged like concerts for example the money can be raised.

If we can prove that our club has come out the other side of this crisis then maybe the people of Cobh will invest in the club

All these things are possible and will be done BUT first we must vote yes on sunday to the proposal and the new structures so that things are done properly so that in five years time if some fool does get elected then they will not be able to undo all the hard work that will have been done up til then.

We all want our club to survive so lets all be heard next sunday and finally once and for all quieten the FOCR'S and the best way to do that is to vote YES and once and for all show them the door because there is no room at the inn for those trying to bring our club down

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if this gets passed ill pay the rent for 10 years ;)

I think Jamesd did get off the fence with that last comment.

We are in the middle of a crisis- the mother of all crisis, one group trying to take over the club from the elected management committee and he talks about political motivations. Where have you been Jamesd - The club is riddled with politics and underhanded espionage, trickery -all in the name of power -christ sake man, M15 might soon be sending recruits over here on training courses -the place is so good at it. So dont give us that crap about politics Jamesd because you are up to your neck in it and only switched to talking about unity when someone blew you cover!

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Originally Posted by Redshanks

I think Jamesd did get off the fence with that last comment.

We are in the middle of a crisis- the mother of all crisis, one group trying to take over the club from the elected management committee and he talks about political motivations. Where have you been Jamesd - The club is riddled with politics and underhanded espionage, trickery -all in the name of power -christ sake man, M15 might soon be sending recruits over here on training courses -the place is so good at it. So dont give us that crap about politics Jamesd because you are up to your neck in it and only switched to talking about unity when someone blew you cover!

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For heaven's sake Red will you get a grip. I have spoken about unity as surely its the best way forward. Enough of this bickering. Enough is enough. Do we all want this us and them crap to continue or can we really try and sort this all out ourselves???

Roll on sunday:d