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Yes, not a bad video, although not intirely accurate he took the time to pull it together. While the grounds don't look too bad in the video, when you attend it's a different matter. The exception being Tallaght.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
More nonsense from the GAA to get money to upgrade a stadium that is probably still in better condition than most LOI grounds and will never let a "foreign" sport be played on it. I can hardly see U2 playing a gig there or Daniel O Donnell filling it. So it will sit in pristine condition few a few games a year and they will still complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
FAI confirm this evening they won't be going ahead with the Glanmire project.
A real shame but no surprises. Another great effort by John Delaney
What's the latest on the court case against that fecker? Was the FAI ever forced to divulge all the emails he was trying to hide?Quote:
Originally Posted by pateen
Knowing how this place works, the Guards and courts will probably just drag it all out and then quietly let the whole thing slip.
Yes they were granted access.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
A new club shop to be opened within the next few weeks in Waterford which will also be the new Office HQ and Ticket Office.
It'll be situated right across from the RSC itself which is handy but it's a bit of a trek from town for those without a vehicle, but it's a very good step in the right direction.
https://waterfordfc.ie/waterford-fc-...ew-club-store/
I see Larne's 4g pitch isn’t up to scratch to host european games. I haven’t seen their pitch but I can’t imagine it’s much worse than Oriel or the Brandywell so you’d wonder if those pitches could be turned down too…
https://larnefc.com/european-home-fixtures-set-to-move/
I found this quote pretty amusing, shock horror that a pitch with a 5 year lifespan has become substandard after… 5 years :D
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“When our 4G playing surface was installed back in 2018, the pitch had an expected lifespan of 5-7 years. Despite still being considered a top-quality surface for NIFL Premiership and all domestic fixtures, we have unfortunately fallen just short of the increasingly high criteria imposed by FIFA.
It is no worse than Brandywell/Oriel and with any luck both of those will be turned down also as much as it might be a short term pain in the backside it might put nail in coffin for these pitches once and for all as surely no club would be stupid enough to put another one in knowing the tide has very much turned against them and they could be outright banned soon anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
banned outright by who… fifa or FAI?Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
You couldn’t expect teams in the far north to have natural grass. Good luck with a grass pitch in somewhere like Bodo Glimt or Rovoniemi. They’re inside the arctic circle!
I don’t know the answer to that question. What I have based that statement on is other associations banning them at a professional level (i.e the Netherlands). My thinking (perhaps wrongly) is that this something thay may spread rendering them essentially banned… perhaps there will be exceptions as you point out or perhaps I have just jumped the gun… either way my main concern was here in Ireland. Get rid of them all ASAP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
Larne's pitch in probably the best artificial pitch in the province. It's about 4 years old and now not up to standard required for champions league qualifiers. Derry and Dundalk will probably have to play at alternative venues unless the standard isn't as high for the lesser competitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Would have thought the requirements would be the same in both? Tends to just get tighter as you progress through the rounds
Planning permission for the new terrace in the Brandywell has been lodged.
It'll be a covered, 2.5k capacity terrace, allowable for European matches.
It will involve taking away part of the Southend Stand, that's block A and half of B, where the away fans usually go.
Away fans will be moved to the opposite end of the stand, Blocks K/L/M.
Assuming permission is granted, construction is due to start in October.
The pitch has been ruled out because it's had too much usage, and its life span said it would need replacing round about now anyway. UEFA haven't just decided on a whim that they don't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
So long as Oriel and Brandywell surfaces aren't similalrly worn out before their recomennded life span, they will be passed to play on. More clubs continue to install plastic pitches all the time, including in Ireland (e.g Coleraine). Something like half the Irish League clubs (?) have artifical grass now.
Fantastic to hear this. Fair play to the club (and POD who I’m sure must be bankrolling it) for moving ahead with development while the other stand expansion is still caught up in red tape.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Wow! That's a big terrace for behind a goals! Great to hear this. Are there drawings for it anywhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
What will the net increase in capacity be once those existing blocks are removed to make way for it?
I am very aware of all that, my comment on it being no worse than the Brandywell or Oriel is in relation to their current states. Larne have the exact same pitch as Derry and installed at the same time. The pitch in Inver was in no worse condition in terms of wear etc than the Brandywell definitely from what I seen of it a few months ago. This is obviously to the naked eye so hardly scientific but I imagine Derry at least must be very concerned now.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Derry and Larne are full time, so we asume they train on the pitches daily. As far as I know Larne don't ground share but Derry do with institute. It also depends if the clubs academies and underage teams also use the pitches.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
There could be a Dear John letter on its was to Derry. Don't know about Dundalk pitch usage.
I would guess it's the frequent/non-stop community usage on both pitches that is the issue, rather than underage teams training there a couple of times a week. Both pitches seem to be rented out/used by the community a lot, so presumably even if the underage teams weren't using it that slot would be rented to someone else instead anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinkicker
This puts a question mark over the whole model of cluhs installing artifical pitches to raise income by renting them out (and often securing capital grants to install them by portraying them as community hubs).
No drawings yet, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Not sure what new capacity would be, but probably something around the 6k mark.
There is another phase still to come for the newer stand too, just waiting on money to be released for it.
Losing block A and half of block B will mean they’ll lose about 300-ish seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
So net increase would be 2200.
Current capacity is 3700, so the new terrace would bring total capacity up to 5900.
When the Mark Farren stand is extended at both ends that would then add another 1300 or so, bringing the total to around 7200.
Very interesting, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
With that new stand being terracing, the stadium wouldn't meet the requirements for UEFA Category 4 games (min 8,000 seats). So if Derry ever do a Dundalk/Rovers and reach the last qualifying round before the Conference group stages (?), you'll presumably be on the road to Tallaght to fulfil the fixture. Either that or find somewhere to aqueeze another 3,000+ seats into the Brandywell ?
I wasn't sure if they allowed use by other community groups/clubs. Larne is a private pitch owned by the club, while Derry is council ownedQuote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
You're never realistically going to fit 8,000 seats into the space available at the Brandywell without building a two tier stand anyway, and planning permission probably wouldn't allow for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
If this has been put in for planning permission, then there will obviously have to be drawings as part of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Behind the Showgrounds goal could be used, though it would be a squeeze alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
With the change in UEFA regulations about the use of terracing, can a terrace count towards the 8k capacity, or is is specifically seats?
I think this talk is all premature, but if we were required to change our ground for a European match, I'd hoenstly like us to consider Windsor instead of Tallaght.
Yeah, but it's just that they're not up on the planning portal yet. The application will have to be validated and the like before it'll be made public.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Windsor would be an interesting one :D I think it's much more difficult to use/nominate a ground that's outsde of your jurisdiction than it is one within. It's not impossible, and has obviously happened before (e.g. Shels played Rangers at Tranmere), but I think you need a good reason for it (which in Shes' case was security). The fact that other suitable stadia are available within the FAI's remit - and that we're not talking vast distances here - could well make it difficult to try to play in Windsor.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Dundalk were looking at windsor during the crazy P6 era so it can be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Planning Permission being submitted for 2900 capacity stand behind goal in Brandywell. Seems the area where away fans sit to be demolished as part of plan
https://www.derrystrabane.com/ryanmc...ndywellstadium
Will take capacity to 6,242
Even if WP was acceptable to both UEFA and DCFC, it might not be available on the match dates, since it could clash with Linfield's European games, and possibly Larne, should they request it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Application up on the Planning Portal now.Quote:
Originally Posted by refjohn
https://pp2niprsa.blob.core.windows....TzSjtK%2Fu4%3D
That shows the drawings of the new terrace. Also useful as a guide to where the planned Phase 2 of the Mark Darren stand will go, on either side of the existing stand.
The Brandywell pitch has got it's approval from UEFA for the next year.
Presumably that means you'll be stuck with it for at least the 2024 season now then.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Don't know. If we were going to replace it, the off-season is the only option, bar moving back to Maginn Park for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Of course, that would involve moving Institute to somewhere else, which isn't ideal either, but easier to deal with, you'd imagine. They played in Limavady before.
Is your problem not more that the local city council don't want to and can't afford to change the pitch? So this gives them an excuse to leave it in-situ for at least another season?Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
There was a story in the local press last offseason about O'Doherty being willing to fund the changeover to grass.
Any change over of grass would take longer than just the off season. You'd expect Derry would have to play half a season at Maginn again to be able to put a grass surface down in the Brandywell again.
I think it's also about how much money the council makes by renting out the pitch, as well as how much it would cost them to replace it. Would O'Doherty want the pitch changed that badly that he'd cover the lost annual income from grass as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by cláirseach