Gavin Bazunu G Standard Liege (loan from Southampton) b.2002

randolph was 1st choice in 20/21 when he was a sub gk for west ham. he was a sub in 15/16 and irelands no1 in that time aswell.

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

randolph was 1st choice in 20/21 when he was a sub gk for west ham. he was a sub in 15/16 and irelands no1 in that time aswell.

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Did we have any other serious option at the time ?

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

complete nonsense talk. dropping your 2nd choice gk (he'll probably start v latvia) for a lad who'll be 3rd choice is madness in anyones book

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It's time ( well, next season now, I suppose ) to go and compete at a club where he has a realistic chance of being the number 1 goal-keeper.

It will be interesting to see if there is much interest, and where it is from, when the next transfer / loan season opens ?

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

Did we have any other serious option at the time ?

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people want kelleher OUT of the squad, when in the past we've played GK's as our no1s who arent getting club game time. why is o'leary all of a sudden better than Kelleher? OKelleher is bound to have interest in the summer. he should go and i'd expect him to want to go. a loan is pointless, time to get a permanent move.

westwood was playing regularly in 2015/16 , randolph wasnt. yet randolph was no1.

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people want kelleher OUT of the squad, when in the past we've played GK's as our no1s who arent getting club game time. why is o'leary all of a sudden better than Kelleher? OKelleher is bound to have interest in the summer. he should go and i'd expect him to want to go. a loan is pointless, time to get a permanent move.

westwood was playing regularly in 2015/16 , randolph wasnt. yet randolph was no1.

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I'd say the Westwood thing was probably more of an O'Neill / Westwood thing. I don't think they were big fans of one another.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

I'd say the Westwood thing was probably more of an O'Neill / Westwood thing. I don't think they were big fans of one another.

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elliot had 22 starts in the championship that same season so i dont know what to say to the above statement but im sure you'll come back with some inane response

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elliot had 22 starts in the championship that same season so i dont know what to say to the above statement but im sure you'll come back with some inane response

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I assume Randolf was kept in Goal because he had not let us down which is pretty much as Bazunu has done.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

I assume Randolf was kept in Goal because he had not let us down which is pretty much as Bazunu has done.

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and when has kelleher left us down to be dropped out of the squad for the 4th choice GK?

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Originally Posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA

You said there's a lot of mistakes, especially lately. That's for Southampton. For Ireland he's been very good. The odd error but overall he's been valuable to us considering how bad we've been. So yes, it's a no-brainer.

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Even though for Ireland I've listed a long line of errors?

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

and when has kelleher left us down to be dropped out of the squad for the 4th choice GK?

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Kelleher has never been the Irish Number 1 for any long period of time.

I think it's time that Kelleher spent a pro-longed period of time in goal some-where, to see if he can be a number 1 goal-keeper ( at a decent level )

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Even though for Ireland I've listed a long line of errors?

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You said especially lately, for a 20 year old that must mean the recent past. So that would mean the Southampton mistakes. Like I said, he's made a few errors for us but in a poor performing team he's been very good. I'm sure if you dissected every players performance you'd find the odd error, especially someone so young.

It is gone a bit crazy if we are really suggesting that Kelleher should be dropped for O'Leary. Kelleher is clearly our #2 keeper. There is no way he drops to #4.

The "Kelleher out" thing is only the lunatic fringe of the Bazunu lobby. The easiest way to build an irrefutable case for Bazunu is for Kelleher not to exist, or at least not be in the squad. I have absolutely nothing against Bazunu and think he's a keeper with prodigious natural ability and promise, but this debate seems to inspire increasingly polarised polemics, mainly directed at Kelleher. I'd be massively surprised if Kelleher is not a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL side next season, and equally surprised if he doesn't have a decent international career, competing with Bazunu maybe in a similar situation to Clemence and Shilton for England back in the day.

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Bazunu is the incumbent

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

Kelleher has never been the Irish Number 1 for any long period of time.

I think it's time that Kelleher spent a pro-longed period of time in goal some-where, to see if he can be a number 1 goal-keeper ( at a decent level )

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He did play 7 of 10 games in 2022, missing 2 games with a hamstring injury and being on the bench for the friendly against Norway.

We conceded 5 in Kelleher’s 7 games and 6 in Bazunu’s 3 games. It’s clearly not an issue for Kelleher to step in, even if he’s not playing regularly

In fairness I could have kept a clean sheet against Qatar that day! Lithuania(?) too. Point taken but not fully like for like I think. Each was really frustrating because I wanted a good look at him and he barely touched the ball.

But of course he's capable.

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Originally Posted by third policeman

The "Kelleher out" thing is only the lunatic fringe of the Bazunu lobby. The easiest way to build an irrefutable case for Bazunu is for Kelleher not to exist, or at least not be in the squad. I have absolutely nothing against Bazunu and think he's a keeper with prodigious natural ability and promise, but this debate seems to inspire increasingly polarised polemics, mainly directed at Kelleher. I'd be massively surprised if Kelleher is not a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL side next season, and equally surprised if he doesn't have a decent international career, competing with Bazunu maybe in a similar situation to Clemence and Shilton for England back in the day.

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He's 24, has played four league games to date in his career so far and is unlikely to play for his club again this season. And you'd be massively surprised if he is not a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL team this time next season? I think at this stage it is clear he wants to be at Liverpool, maybe pushing to be Liverpool's nominated first choice for (all) cup games is a more reasonable/ achievable aim for next season. Lunatic fringe :-)

Relax lads. We have these 2 goalkeepers for the next 15 years. Both have the potential to be top class. Bazunu is there for now but it will be a battle with Kelleher for more than a decade. And a new keeper will probably come on the scene as well.

Kelleher is turning into the Jesse Lingard of goalkeepers, he'll be 32 and people will still be talking about his potential!

Im joking, but he is getting to the point where he has to go prove himself. I took the original comment that he could be left out of squad as tongue in cheek, but if we are still in the same situation this time next year he will risk being left out legitimately. There was people saying it was ridiculous when Randolph started getting left out of squads after he decided to take the bench option at West Ham, if Kelleher doesnt show soon that he can be a real goalkeeper playing every week then he is going to have to accept players playing will be ahead of him. If he was back up to a good goalkeeper at Everton for example would he be getting the same love as he does with amount of Liverpool fans there are in Ireland.

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Originally Posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA

You said especially lately, for a 20 year old that must mean the recent past. So that would mean the Southampton mistakes. Like I said, he's made a few errors for us but in a poor performing team he's been very good. I'm sure if you dissected every players performance you'd find the odd error, especially someone so young.

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He only played three internationals in the last 15 months (and conceded two very soft goals in that time). So while I am largely pointing out the Southampton mistakes, there's been enough for Ireland too that I don't see that the problem is the defence he's playing behind.

This isn't an "odd error", as you suggest. It's a fairly big error every other game or so.

And yes, he's young. But the game is in two weeks.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

He only played three internationals in the last 15 months (and conceded two very soft goals in that time). So while I am largely pointing out the Southampton mistakes, there's been enough for Ireland too that I don't see that the problem is the defence he's playing behind.

This isn't an "odd error", as you suggest. It's a fairly big error every other game or so.

And yes, he's young. But the game is in two weeks.

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Yes, the recent mistakes thing was clearly about Southampton. For Ireland, it has been an odd error, same as Kelleher really but you probably could pick any player and pick out a few mistakes. Really nothing to be too concerned about for a 20 year old. The game is in two weeks and Bazunu will start and rightfully so. Again, it's a no brainer. Circumstances will have to change amongst the goalkeeper candidates to change that.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

He's 24, has played four league games to date in his career so far and is unlikely to play for his club again this season. And you'd be massively surprised if he is not a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL team this time next season? I think at this stage it is clear he wants to be at Liverpool, maybe pushing to be Liverpool's nominated first choice for (all) cup games is a more reasonable/ achievable aim for next season. Lunatic fringe :-)

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Let's revisit this next season and until then we can respectfully beg to differ. It's very far from "clear" that he wants to stay at Liverpool and be first choice for cup games. His own comments and consistent media speculation would strongly suggest he is looking for a move at the end of this season. He's very highly rated by Liverpool fans, and more importantly by pundits and former players. The lunatic fringe comment was directed at those suggesting he shouldn't even be in the squad. Not sure if you are suggesting that, but if the cap fits....

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Originally Posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA

Yes, the recent mistakes thing was clearly about Southampton. For Ireland, it has been an odd error, same as Kelleher really but you probably could pick any player and pick out a few mistakes. Really nothing to be too concerned about for a 20 year old. The game is in two weeks and Bazunu will start and rightfully so. Again, it's a no brainer. Circumstances will have to change amongst the goalkeeper candidates to change that.

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The irony here of course is that you'll accuse Kenny supporters of being stuck with their opinions and blind to arguments to the contrary.

Kelleher has not made as many high-profile mistakes (in part because he's played some cushty games of course)

For Bazunu, we're not talking "a few mistakes"; we're talking potentially one of the weakest seasons a PL goalkeeper has ever seen.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

In fairness I could have kept a clean sheet against Qatar that day! Lithuania(?) too. Point taken but not fully like for like I think. Each was really frustrating because I wanted a good look at him and he barely touched the ball.

But of course he's capable.

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I guess Qatar was 2021 - but yeah, Lithuania and Malta. Both played Armenia and Scotland. Both had one higher profile friendly (Belgium and Norway) and Kelleher had the two games against Ukraine.

It’s pretty simplistic just to say, he conceded x and he conceded y - without any consideration for what the games entailed - but it does undermine people suggesting he shouldn’t be in the squad.

If you look purely at irish form, both have done very well. You could give Bazunu extra points for playing regularly but Kelleher maintained quality performances for Ireland and Liverpool while only playing occasionally. Equally you could remove points for Bazunu’s current form.

Personally I’d lean Kelleher - but I think most would/should acknowledge it’s a really tight call either way - and to say the decision is a no-brainer is just wrong

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

The irony here of course is that you'll accuse Kenny supporters of being stuck with their opinions and blind to arguments to the contrary.

Kelleher has not made as many high-profile mistakes (in part because he's played some cushty games of course)

For Bazunu, we're not talking "a few mistakes"; we're talking potentially one of the weakest seasons a PL goalkeeper has ever seen.

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Like I said, as long as he's good for Ireland, then I don't really care what he does for Southampton and he has been good for us. With only a few mistakes. Now, obviously it would be better if he was showing good form at club level. When Kelleher had a few games in quick succession for Liverpool, I felt he had moved into the number 1 position for us, so I'm open to change. But he hasn't done anything since then. That's why the obvious choice is Bazunu, no matter how hard you stamp your feet.

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... no matter how hard you stamp your feet.

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mod warning Look, cut this **** out.

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Let's revisit this next season and until then we can respectfully beg to differ. It's very far from "clear" that he wants to stay at Liverpool and be first choice for cup games. His own comments and consistent media speculation would strongly suggest he is looking for a move at the end of this season. He's very highly rated by Liverpool fans, and more importantly by pundits and former players. The lunatic fringe comment was directed at those suggesting he shouldn't even be in the squad. Not sure if you are suggesting that, but if the cap fits....

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In October 2021 you wrote

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I don’t think either Kelleher or Bazunu have any real prospect of becoming first choice at their respective clubs. Not because they are not good enough, but simply because of who is in front of them. As things stand, I suspect Kelleher’s next move could be a transfer rather than a loan. Liverpool don’t want to loan him out, but nor would they stand in the way of a good career move. Bazunu on the other hand could well end up back at City as number 2. Paradoxically, Kelleher could be further ahead in terms of the trajectory of his career, and could, by next season be playing more regularly at a higher level.

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Not calling you up on this, as making predictions are difficult for the best of us, but in the time since you made the above post Kelleher has played 0 minutes in the PL and Bazunu has 25 starts for Southampton. That Kelleher could be further in his career trajectory in October 2021, there is no doubting Bazunu is further ahead in his career trajectory now - simply because he went out on loan and had two seasons of senior football to motivate the move to Southampton. Kelleher may be highly rated by all at Liverpool, and he has done fine when called upon by us, but he really should have chosen what Bazunu did and is currently doing. Playing time is key. Difficult to motivate a move to a fellow PL side and expect a starting place without it. And by extension, a starting position for us. Bazunu may ultimately make 10+ mistakes against France, but starting him is the correct choice.

Bazunu went on loan at a time when he was City’s 3rd or 4th choice keeper. It was an easier decision to make as he was nowhere near getting games or even making the bench. It probably wasn’t even his decision. Presenting this as evidence of ambition, confidence, courage and disparaging Kelleher, who was a recognised number 2, is absolute nonsense. Their situations were completely different. It’s equally nonsensical to assert that a player’s form or their propensity to make mistakes count for nothing so long as they are playing regularly. There is a strong and valid case for selecting Bazunu, but we are now hearing arguments that are increasingly tenuous and irrational.

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Bazunu went on loan at a time when he was City’s 3rd or 4th choice keeper. It was an easier decision to make as he was nowhere near getting games or even making the bench. It probably wasn’t even his decision. Presenting this as evidence of ambition, confidence, courage and disparaging Kelleher, who was a recognised number 2, is absolute nonsense. Their situations were completely different. It’s equally nonsensical to assert that a player’s form or their propensity to make mistakes count for nothing so long as they are playing regularly. There is a strong and valid case for selecting Bazunu, but we are now hearing arguments that are increasingly tenuous and irrational.

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There is a three-year age gap between Bazunu and Kelleher. Kelleher became Liverpool’s second choice around this time 2 years ago, when he was 22. Bazunu has just turned 21 in February. I hope you’ll join me in sharing belated birthday wishes.

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There is a three-year age gap between Bazunu and Kelleher. Kelleher became Liverpool’s second choice around this time 2 years ago, when he was 22. Bazunu has just turned 21 in February. I hope you’ll join me in sharing belated birthday wishes.

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so what?

All a bit elliptical. I'm struggling to see how that supports your argument. If anything, Bazunu being younger and further down the pecking order, makes his "decision" to go on loan more obvious and less courageous, ambitious or whatever other quality of his establishes his overall superiority to Kelleher. Similarly, his "decision" to move to Southampton was undoubtedly influenced by a calculation that he would still be a third or fourth choice at City. His career moves have been dictated by circumstances and not by some inherently more laudable trait of character. The fact that Bazunu's character rather than his form is being relied upon as selection criteria is in itself revealing.

You said “I'd be massively surprised if Kelleher is not a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL side next season”. Kelleher hasn’t played in the PL since Oct 21 and has only 4 PL appearances in total. At 24. You subsequently wanted to respectively differ when this statement was questioned to which it was (politely) shown you have a history of being wrong in similar predictions. Using Bazunu as a comparison, I’ve pointed out to you what career path Kelleher should have taken to be a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL side. Nonsense you say as Kelleher is a number 2 and can’t be compared to Bazunu, but he wasn’t a number 2 at Bazunu’s current age or at the age when Bazunu went on loan to Rochdale and Portsmouth. As it is now, being Liverpool's nominated first choice for (all) cup games is a more reasonable/ achievable aim for next season. Elliptical :-)

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You said “I'd be massively surprised if Kelleher is not a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL side next season”. Kelleher hasn’t played in the PL since Oct 21 and has only 4 PL appearances in total. At 24. You subsequently wanted to respectively differ when this statement was questioned to which it was (politely) shown you have a history of being wrong in similar predictions. Using Bazunu as a comparison, I’ve pointed out to you what career path Kelleher should have taken to be a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL side. Nonsense you say as Kelleher is a number 2 and can’t be compared to Bazunu, but he wasn’t a number 2 at Bazunu’s current age or at the age when Bazunu went on loan to Rochdale and Portsmouth. As it is now, being Liverpool's nominated first choice for (all) cup games is a more reasonable/ achievable aim for next season. Elliptical :-)

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this might surprise you but no player develops the same as another especially one who'd been playing outfield until he was 15

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You said “I'd be massively surprised if Kelleher is not a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL side next season”. Kelleher hasn’t played in the PL since Oct 21 and has only 4 PL appearances in total. At 24. You subsequently wanted to respectively differ when this statement was questioned to which it was (politely) shown you have a history of being wrong in similar predictions. Using Bazunu as a comparison, I’ve pointed out to you what career path Kelleher should have taken to be a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL side. Nonsense you say as Kelleher is a number 2 and can’t be compared to Bazunu, but he wasn’t a number 2 at Bazunu’s current age or at the age when Bazunu went on loan to Rochdale and Portsmouth. As it is now, being Liverpool's nominated first choice for (all) cup games is a more reasonable/ achievable aim for next season. Elliptical :-)

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Clearly I was wrong about Kelleher getting a move to another PL side at the time of the original posting, but he made a rational decision to stay at Liverpool. To say that Kelleher "should have taken" the career path you suggest to enhance his chances of getting a move to a PL side, I think is a totally unverifiable piece of speculation. By staying at Liverpool he got additional high profile exposure during last year's successful League Cup run and now has an enhanced chance of getting the right kind of move when he decides to leave. There seems to be a growing acceptance by LFC fans that he will move at the end of the season, and we'll see where he ends up. There is a similar likelihood that Southampton will be relegated. So if Kelleher is playing in the PL next season, and Bazunu isn't does this suddenly mean that Kelleher has become a better player? The point I was actually making was thatdthe fact that Bazunu is playing regularly in the PL (albeit somewhat inconsistently) does not in itself mean that he should be selected as our first choice keeper. There are other legitimate considerations, ans some obviously spurious ones.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

You said “I'd be massively surprised if Kelleher is not a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL side next season”. Kelleher hasn’t played in the PL since Oct 21 and has only 4 PL appearances in total. At 24. You subsequently wanted to respectively differ when this statement was questioned to which it was (politely) shown you have a history of being wrong in similar predictions. Using Bazunu as a comparison, I’ve pointed out to you what career path Kelleher should have taken to be a first choice keeper at a mid-table PL side. Nonsense you say as Kelleher is a number 2 and can’t be compared to Bazunu, but he wasn’t a number 2 at Bazunu’s current age or at the age when Bazunu went on loan to Rochdale and Portsmouth. As it is now, being Liverpool's nominated first choice for (all) cup games is a more reasonable/ achievable aim for next season. Elliptical :-)

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Well there's a surprise

https://twitter.com/reptracker/statu...666142210?s=20

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Well there's a surprise

https://twitter.com/reptracker/statu...666142210?s=20

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They've attributed the rumour to Jacque Talbot - https://twitter.com/jac_talbot - who writes for transfers.com
There's nothing his twitter account about Kelleher, but he did link to a Liverpool transfer story on the site earlier today (not going to link, that site is beyond clickbait)
Thisis the only mention of Kelleher

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Those earmarked for a probable move include Caoimhin Kelleher, Konstantinos Tsimikas, Joel Matip and Nat Phillips, who is currently being watched by Hertha Berlin.

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Just once I'd like it if these accounts did some checking

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Already debunked by elatedscum

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Totally unreliable source (Jacque Talbot):

“In terms of the aforementioned outgoings. Those earmarked for a probable move include Caoimhin Kelleher, Konstantinos Tsimikas, Joel Matip and Nat Phillips, who is currently being watched by Hertha Berlin. The Bundesliga side tried to sign him on loan on Deadline Day but Jurgen Klopp pulled the plug at the last minute.”

It’s basic stuff. They’ve got 6 squad members who are out of contract (Firmino, Keita, Ox, Milner, Adrian, Arthur). Liverpool are going to need a lot of money to sign the lads they want to come in to replace them. So there’s a relatively small pool of non-essential players they could sell. On the other hand, they’d need to spend a lot to replace Kelleher and he is homegrown which is a big advantage to Liverpool.

If I was guessing what would happen, I’d say Spurs sign Martinez and Kelleher goes to Villa for £20-25m

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If Adrian does leave, does that mean that Kelleher is more likely to stay? Can Liverpool lose both their backup goalkeepers, and replace them, in one transfer window?

Probably belongs on the Kelleher thread, but seems kind of apposite

https://thetransferroom.com/liverpoo...er-aston-villa

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Originally Posted by third policeman

Probably belongs on the Kelleher thread, but seems kind of apposite

https://thetransferroom.com/liverpoo...er-aston-villa

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Celtic have more chance of buying me as a goal-keeper than buying Kelleher for £30 Million or even £10 Million.

In a certain way ~ The less that Kelleher is sold for, the better for him, to keep the pressure off.

It could be all nonsense anyway but it will be interesting to see what happens ?

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Probably belongs on the Kelleher thread, but seems kind of apposite

https://thetransferroom.com/liverpoo...er-aston-villa

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Another article from a very dubious source. Honestly, I feel any intelligent forum member here could put these stories together.

Can’t see him going to Celtic. I think Harvey Davies is capable of being the third choice but from what I’ve seen, he’s at least a season away from being ready to be Liverpool’s number 2.

Seems to have made an excellent save in Old Trafford to keep the score at 0-0 with minutes to go; United down to ten men since the half-hour mark but still seems a solid enough performance overall as things stand.

Played very well and made a great save in the first half too. Switched over to the rugby though so haven’t seen the second half performance.